shastarSingh Posted March 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, paapiman said: Satguru can mean Gurbani in that verse and Gurbani can be recited by any person (Sikh or non-Sikh), In any case, our Satguru is Gurbani. @GurjantGnostic Bhul chuk maaf Gurbani and Guru jyoti are abhed (intermixed) with each other. Where there is Gurbani, there is Satguru jyoti too. That's why we call Guru Granth Sahib as Dassan patshahan di jyot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted March 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 Gurbani cannot come into existence without Satguru jyoti. In Guru Granth Sahib, we have gurbani of Guru Sahibaan and the Bani of bhagats which Guru Sahib accepted as Gurbani. There is lots of Bani of bhagats which is not in Guru Granth Sahib because Guru Sahib didn't accept it as Gurbani. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 15, 2022 Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 17 hours ago, shastarSingh said: Nehkalank avtar will be a brahmgyani who will have the full kirpa and blessing of Satguru and Akaal Purakh on him. He will have lots of powers. He will finish off the wicked people from this earth and will restore dharma. Who came and oversaw the completion of Harmandir Sahib? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 15, 2022 Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 13 hours ago, paapiman said: Isn't Nehkalank Avtaar the same as Sri Kalkee avtaar jee (the last avataar of Sri Vishnu jee), who is yet to come? @GurjantGnostic Bhul chuk maaf Not the same. What does Nehkalank mean? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 15, 2022 Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 13 hours ago, paapiman said: Satguru can mean Gurbani in that verse and Gurbani can be recited by any person (Sikh or non-Sikh), In any case, our Satguru is Gurbani. @GurjantGnostic Bhul chuk maaf The bos katha covers some different types of Guru. Satguru is unique. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sat1176 Posted March 15, 2022 Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 Bit more deeper explanation of SatGuru here starting 12:45 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted March 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 Our ten Guru Sahibaan were Satguru. Satguru is a greater entity than a bhagat. Gurbani mentions bhagats from this yugg and previous yuggs but there is no mention of a Satguru other than our ten Guru Sahibaan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 15, 2022 Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, shastarSingh said: Our ten Guru Sahibaan were Satguru. Satguru is a greater entity than a bhagat. Gurbani mentions bhagats from this yugg and previous yuggs but there is no mention of a Satguru other than our ten Guru Sahibaan. Agreed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 1:16 PM, shastarSingh said: There is lots of Bani of bhagats which is not in Guru Granth Sahib because Guru Sahib didn't accept it as Gurbani. There are Gurbanis (like Sri Pran Sangli, etc) of our Satgurus too, which are not part of Sri Aad Guru Granth saab jee Maharaaj. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 12:40 PM, shastarSingh said: Gurbani and Guru jyoti are abhed (intermixed) with each other. Where there is Gurbani, there is Satguru jyoti too. That's why we call Guru Granth Sahib as Dassan patshahan di jyot. The point is that a Non-Sikh can also recite Gurbani and possibly reach Sachkhand (if he/she desires to reach there) Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, paapiman said: The point is that a Non-Sikh can also recite Gurbani and possibly reach Sachkhand (if he/she desires to reach there) Bhul chuk maaf I agree, and in doing so would undergo changes and come to accept ways and disciplines that would leave them essentially unrecognizable from a Sikh. I also feel there are additional steps you go through when approaching Naam individually versus receiving it through Amrit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 6:03 AM, shastarSingh said: Satguru is a greater entity than a bhagat. Well, the Gurbani (of Sri Waheguru jee) also indicates that the status of a Bhagat is greater than that of Sri Waheguru jee. ਮੇਰੀ ਬਾਂਧੀ ਭਗਤੁ ਛਡਾਵੈ ਬਾਂਧੈ ਭਗਤੁ ਨ ਛੂਟੈ ਮੋਹਿ ॥ The Almighty says: (Meyri) my (baandhi) binding can be (chaddaavai) be released by – prayers of - (bhagat-u) my devotee, but if (bhagat-u) the devotee (baandhai) binds – does something - it cannot (chhoottai) be released/undone (moh-i) by me. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 1:27 AM, GurjantGnostic said: Not the same. What does Nehkalank mean? Nehkalank means without any blemish (of sins). Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, paapiman said: Well, the Gurbani (of Sri Waheguru jee) also indicates that the status of a Bhagat is greater than that of Sri Waheguru jee. ਮੇਰੀ ਬਾਂਧੀ ਭਗਤੁ ਛਡਾਵੈ ਬਾਂਧੈ ਭਗਤੁ ਨ ਛੂਟੈ ਮੋਹਿ ॥ The Almighty says: (Meyri) my (baandhi) binding can be (chaddaavai) be released by – prayers of - (bhagat-u) my devotee, but if (bhagat-u) the devotee (baandhai) binds – does something - it cannot (chhoottai) be released/undone (moh-i) by me. Bhul chuk maaf Greater maybe isn't the word I'd use, but Akal is no Tyrant and respects the wishes of, and sometimes defers to, the Sangat. Akal may change their own baandhi but they do not change the baandi of the Bhagat, but it does not mean the Bhagat is greater, simply being indulged. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said: Greater maybe isn't the word I'd use, but Akal is no Tyrant and respects the wishes of, and sometimes defers to, the Sangat. Akal may change their own baandhi but they do not change the baandi of the Bhagat, but it does not mean the Bhagat is greater, simply being indulged. The status of "greatness" is given by Sri Waheguru jee himself via Gurbani. Maybe we can use a different word. There is a sakhi too, where the curse of a Bhagat overrides the blessing given by Sri Satguru jee (Fifth Master) to a Sikh. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GurjantGnostic Posted March 19, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, paapiman said: Nehkalank means without any blemish (of sins). Bhul chuk maaf Weird. I just responded to this but the server ate it. Lemme try again. If only God and the Guru are perfect, then who does that sound like to you? The respected brother's thinking on the matter and mine differ very slightly. I think Nehkalank Avtar is Akal themself playing a role in Khel, and he, that Nehkalank Avtar is an extremely high level Devte Avtar, like Vishnu Avtar. @shastarSingh Just now, paapiman said: The status of "greatness" is given by Sri Waheguru jee himself via Gurbani. Maybe we can use a different word. There is a sakhi too, where the curse of a Bhagat overrides the blessing given by Sri Satguru jee (Fifth Master) to a Sikh. Bhul chuk maaf Indeed. But again Satguru in that case does not overide the Bhagat, but instead satisfies his original Bachan, that of the Bhagat and teaches the brick maker a lesson in keeping his word, respect in general, and respecting the Guru's Sikh. It's like improv if you've ever seen that? You can't overide the other person, you say "yes and" add your spin. Aikido is very similar. It's the horizon where divine will and free will merge. Another example is children playing harmoniously. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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