singh77777 Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 7/26/2023 at 11:00 PM, dalsingh101 said: In the UK, it's probably better to not be blatant with a functional weapon. I know some Sikhs carry them, but if someone is actually going to go beyond the useless, colonial products i.e. blunt, useless with no handle type of 'kirpan', then they should conceal it, just to avoid unnecessary attention. English people might understand why a Singh is carrying one, but a lot of other foreigners wouldn't. And we shouldn't forget why we were instructed to have them. I think way too many amritdharis have fallen for the 'symbolic' interpretation which was obviously a part of colonial manipulation to disarm Sikhs. yeah fr, I don't rate it but chalo they were brought up like that. don't know if they'll let their minds be changed now. When you say I should conceal it, can't only quite small weapons be concealed? What do you recommend from the cold steel website paaji Also doesn't iron have a very special spiritual significance? idk what it is but ive read that iron kareh used to be used to f= off black magic (nihungnama) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh77777 Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 also under Guru GOBIND Singh Jis wishes, am I right in saying 12" minimum? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 19 hours ago, singh77777 said: also under Guru GOBIND Singh Jis wishes, am I right in saying 12" minimum? No you're not right. I've never come across anything where Guru ji specifies the length of the shasters. There is information in the latter part of this thread that helps shed light on the matter of shasters and dasmesh pita: And you really need to be careful carrying a functional shaster in open view in public. I don't know where you are in the UK, but where I am, very young youths routinely carry concealed knives, and some aren't remotely averse to actually using them when they feel it is required. So you openly carrying like that could be seen as a challenge to someone like that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 19 hours ago, singh77777 said: yeah fr, I don't rate it but chalo they were brought up like that. don't know if they'll let their minds be changed now. When you say I should conceal it, can't only quite small weapons be concealed? What do you recommend from the cold steel website paaji Also doesn't iron have a very special spiritual significance? idk what it is but ive read that iron kareh used to be used to f= off black magic (nihungnama) I think minds may change over the next few generations when people grow up with their real ithihaas instead of the colonial version. No, please don't be another Singh carrying but ultimately unwilling to use if worse comes to worse. Otherwise to me, it just comes across as some sort of attention seeking. Note the point I made in the last post about young people having weapons on them and not being averse to using them on street level in many urban areas. It's up to you to find the right size that can be functional as well as inconspicuous. I like karambits, but ultimately you have to check shasters for how they feel in your hand; do they feel solid and sturdy, can you get a good grip, do they feel balanced in your hands, is the weight right - these things will vary from person to person. Steel i.e. sarbloh, which is an alloy is considered sacred (not pure iron, or cast iron, which is very brittle and can break very easily). I think it is because of the use of the sarbloh during dasam pita's earthly time to highlight Waheguru's power and potential destructive energy against dushts/daints/asuras. Also because weaponry is made from steel and allows us to protect ourselves and our dharam. I've never heard of iron or steel being used like you are saying as a talisman against black magic, but then I've not read nihungnama. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh77777 Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 5 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: I think minds may change over the next few generations when people grow up with their real ithihaas instead of the colonial version. No, please don't be another Singh carrying but ultimately unwilling to use if worse comes to worse. Otherwise to me, it just comes across as some sort of attention seeking. Note the point I made in the last post about young people having weapons on them and not being averse to using them on street level in many urban areas. It's up to you to find the right size that can be functional as well as inconspicuous. I like karambits, but ultimately you have to check shasters for how they feel in your hand; do they feel solid and sturdy, can you get a good grip, do they feel balanced in your hands, is the weight right - these things will vary from person to person. Steel i.e. sarbloh, which is an alloy is considered sacred (not pure iron, or cast iron, which is very brittle and can break very easily). I think it is because of the use of the sarbloh during dasam pita's earthly time to highlight Waheguru's power and potential destructive energy against dushts/daints/asuras. Also because weaponry is made from steel and allows us to protect ourselves and our dharam. I've never heard of iron or steel being used like you are saying as a talisman against black magic, but then I've not read nihungnama. oh okay cool, this type of Sikh you are describing I do not wish to be ( basically a pretender ).. I ended up buying this one https://www.coldsteel-uk.com/product/cold-steel-marauder-serrated-cs-39lswbs/. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh77777 Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 I will try see how I can conceal it nicely 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, singh77777 said: oh okay cool, this type of Sikh you are describing I do not wish to be ( basically a pretender ).. I ended up buying this one https://www.coldsteel-uk.com/product/cold-steel-marauder-serrated-cs-39lswbs/. I like it! You might want to build up a little collection too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh77777 Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 thanks bro. yeah I would like too eventually, I didn't think knives would be this expensive originally lol. how do you wear yours day to day? when wearing "english" clothes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dalsingh101 Posted July 31, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, singh77777 said: thanks bro. yeah I would like too eventually, I didn't think knives would be this expensive originally lol. how do you wear yours day to day? when wearing "english" clothes I'm not amritdhari or keshdhari even, so I don't wear a shaster like that. But guys I know hide it under their jumpers/jackets etc. in a gatra. I know it's harder to do in summer when you're probably wearing a T-shirt, that's when a smaller functional one is useful. A slightly looser T-shirt would probably help! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GurjantGnostic Posted July 31, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, dalsingh101 said: I'm not amritdhari or keshdhari even, so I don't wear a shaster like that. But guys I know hide it under their jumpers/jackets etc. in a gatra. I know it's harder to do in summer when you're probably wearing a T-shirt, that's when a smaller functional one is useful. A slightly looser T-shirt would probably help! Just go full bastardsword on the back. Highlander status. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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singh77777 Posted August 1, 2023 Report Share Posted August 1, 2023 On 7/31/2023 at 9:13 PM, dalsingh101 said: I'm not amritdhari or keshdhari even, so I don't wear a shaster like that. But guys I know hide it under their jumpers/jackets etc. in a gatra. I know it's harder to do in summer when you're probably wearing a T-shirt, that's when a smaller functional one is useful. A slightly looser T-shirt would probably help! I don't think you have to be amritdhari to carry shastar? imo doesn't make sense to add Maryada after you take Amrit but be steady with it before hand. but if not kesdhari yeah I kinda get what you mean but who am I to say kes our spiritual roots 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted August 1, 2023 Report Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 hour ago, singh77777 said: I don't think you have to be amritdhari to carry shastar? imo doesn't make sense to add Maryada after you take Amrit but be steady with it before hand. but if not kesdhari yeah I kinda get what you mean but who am I to say ">kes our spiritual roots "> Kirpan is the one Kakkar we should argue applies to all of us legally. Kesh is the one single most important Kakkar in truth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted August 1, 2023 Report Share Posted August 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said: Kirpan is the one Kakkar we should argue applies to all of us legally. Kesh is the one single most important Kakkar in truth. What I understand is that kesh is the external representation of a Sikhs internal belief. If this is right, what is the power of kesh without the belief/sharda? A lot of us from Panjabi backgrounds will probably know people/have friends or even relatives that were compelled to keep kesh by parents, who grew up to not really believe. - what does that teach us? Open question to all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh77777 Posted August 1, 2023 Report Share Posted August 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: What I understand is that kesh is the external representation of a Sikhs internal belief. If this is right, what is the power of kesh without the belief/sharda? A lot of us from Panjabi backgrounds will probably know people/have friends or even relatives that were compelled to keep kesh by parents, who grew up to not really believe. - what does that teach us? Open question to all. sikhi is to be felt. I would argue that the parents of those children were not actually "spiritual" but were following Sikh out of fear of their parents or some other reason that wasn't really "true". id like to believe that if a child born to loving Gursikhi parents (who show the true power of love/Sikhi) would love to keep their kes n follow in the footsteps of their parents because they understand they're actually gonna be a more powerful being. I know the reason I wasn't into Sikhi when I was smaller is cuz I thought it was gonna make me "older" n "boring" stereotypical religious old man, but quite the opposite - turns you into a forever young shakti man which we should let the other veero know about. balance ur shakti with Bhagti n yh, you can literally have it all also sidenote one time I took DMT (where I didn't blast off into different dimension) but stayed in this realm - I saw each individual hair on my body all on my arms were pulsating beautiful dark purple n green energy, n I feel like I saw how power/energy was being at least stored inside each n every follicle - perhaps even absorbing it for me. Very Beautiful 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh77777 Posted August 1, 2023 Report Share Posted August 1, 2023 also in this city I live everyone here is so depleted of energy, lifeless. id definitely want all the power Maharaaj feels like I deserve Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 5 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: What I understand is that kesh is the external representation of a Sikhs internal belief. If this is right, what is the power of kesh without the belief/sharda? A lot of us from Panjabi backgrounds will probably know people/have friends or even relatives that were compelled to keep kesh by parents, who grew up to not really believe. - what does that teach us? Open question to all. I hear you bro. Not saying everyone should have it. Kesh is the only Kakkar Vaheguru Akal Purakh created you with is all. So it's entirely out of law. It's nature. I don't know how to articulate it. Forcing anyone to do anything ruins it. Definitely not salvational and far easier to grow than integrity unfortunately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 Speaking of sacred and God given, anyone seen my foreskin? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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