Naam (ਨਾਮ), Naam di Daat (ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਦਾਤ), Naam Japna (ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣਾ), Difference in Naam, Gurmantar and Gur ka Shabad

[Jigyasu1991]

Can someone please help me understand these terms ? there's lot of subtlety here which daas struggles to understand.

1) Naam (ਨਾਮ),

2) Naam di Daat (ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਦਾਤ), 

3) Naam Japna (ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣਾ),

4) Is naam japna and Gurmantar abhyaas same ?

5) Difference in Naam, Gurmantar and Gur ka Shabad

[Kaur10]

Naam - any name of God like Waheguru, Ram, Krishna, Radha etc . Parmatma has countless names.

Naam di daat- you need to beat your bad karma with naam simran abhiyaas in order to get this, (this is my story). I am trying naam simran as bhagti da seed is in my heart but there is tsunami of bad deeds which is not letting me progress. Naam di daat parmatma Di mehar naal mildi aa. 

Naam simran- repeating Waheguru Waheguru verbally loudly and then listening with your ears is the first stage. Doesn’t matter if you could focus or not, carry on doing it. 
 

Naam simran and Gurmantar -not sure, but I think in Sikhism yes. 
 

Naam, Gurmantar and Gur ka Shabad- I may be wrong in explaining this, better to wait for the correct answer from gurmukh. 
 

Bhul Chuk Maaf ! I am just a beginner who is failing but trying , not trying my best these days due to kalyug, but love to follow GURU Diya teachings. 
 

ONE THING I CAN SAY SURELY, NAAM SIMRAN IS THE ONLY KEY TO PARMATMA. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 12/1/2023 at 8:13 AM, Jigyasu1991 said:

Can someone please help me understand these terms ? there's lot of subtlety here which daas struggles to understand.

1) Naam (ਨਾਮ),

2) Naam di Daat (ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਦਾਤ), 

3) Naam Japna (ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣਾ),

4) Is naam japna and Gurmantar abhyaas same ?

5) Difference in Naam, Gurmantar and Gur ka Shabad

Naam any Name for 1. Goes far betond any tradition, language, culture, planet, universe. The amount of Naam are countless. But they are all in reference to Vaheguru Akal Purakh. 

Naam Jaapna is saying it. 

Daat not sure, gift of Naam?

Gurmantar is when you Jaap Sat Naam given by Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Vaheguru. 

Naam, name for God, Gurmantar,  Vaheguru, Gur Ku Shabad Reciting Gurbani which is a form of Naam as well. 

We are instructed to contemplate, meditate, recite, surrender to Naam until it is 24hrs a day even in sleep. One could never recite Gurbani if it was not also Naam.

 

[GurjantGnostic]

18 hours ago, Kaur10 said:

Naam - any name of God like Waheguru, Ram, Krishna, Radha etc . Parmatma has countless names.

Naam di daat- you need to beat your bad karma with naam simran abhiyaas in order to get this, (this is my story). I am trying naam simran as bhagti da seed is in my heart but there is tsunami of bad deeds which is not letting me progress. Naam di daat parmatma Di mehar naal mildi aa. 

Naam simran- repeating Waheguru Waheguru verbally loudly and then listening with your ears is the first stage. Doesn’t matter if you could focus or not, carry on doing it. 
 

Naam simran and Gurmantar -not sure, but I think in Sikhism yes. 
 

Naam, Gurmantar and Gur ka Shabad- I may be wrong in explaining this, better to wait for the correct answer from gurmukh. 
 

Bhul Chuk Maaf ! I am just a beginner who is failing but trying , not trying my best these days due to kalyug, but love to follow GURU Diya teachings. 
 

ONE THING I CAN SAY SURELY, NAAM SIMRAN IS THE ONLY KEY TO PARMATMA. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. 

Ram the Devi Devte for example is named for the Naam Mantar he was to deliver. 

Ram is a Devi Devte and a Naam for 1, but these Rams are not the Same. 

Is Krishna a Naam for 1 or just a Devi Devte?

[Kaur10]

3 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Ram the Devi Devte for example is named for the Naam Mantar he was to deliver. 

Ram is a Devi Devte and a Naam for 1, but these Rams are not the Same. 

Is Krishna a Naam for 1 or just a Devi Devte?

Sorry I didn’t understand what you mean.

I know Hindu sangat recite Radha, some Hare Krishna, some Har Har Mahadev etc. They do have many Naams to recite unlike us only WAHEGURU. 

[GurjantGnostic]

27 minutes ago, Kaur10 said:

Sorry I didn’t understand what you mean.

I know Hindu sangat recite Radha, some Hare Krishna, some Har Har Mahadev etc. They do have many Naams to recite unlike us only WAHEGURU. 

Yes but Gurbani comments on that as not being Naam Simran. When doing worship of Devi Devte. 

If a hindu says Bhagwan or Parabraham, or Vishnu, Har, Gobind, Ram the Mantar not devte names they are doing Naam Simran. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Har was the Mantar when Krishna was the prominent influence. Wait lemme check. 

Gobind. 

Do we have evidence of Krishna being used as a name for Akal Purakh?

[GurjantGnostic]

https://www.sikhitothemax.org/ang?ang=1&source=B

[GurjantGnostic]

ਪਉੜੀ੫:ਜੁਗਆਦਿਕ

pauRee 5 : ju'g aadhik

The Yugs 

 

ਚਾਰਿਜੁਗਿਕਰਿਥਾਪਨਾਸਤਿਜੁਗਤ੍ਰੇਤਾਦੁਆਪਰੁਸਾਜੇ।

chaar jug kar thaapanaa satijug tretaa dhuaapar saaje|

The four Ages (yugs) were established and the first three were given names Satyug, Treta, Dvapar. Fourth one was Kaliyug.

 

ਚਉਥਾਕਲਿਜੁਗੁਥਾਪਿਆਚਾਰਿਵਰਨਿਚਾਰੋਂਕੇਰਾਜੇ।

chauthaa kalijug thaapiaa chaar varan chaaro(n) ke raaje|

And four castes came to be known as the kings of four ages. Brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya and sudhra became predominate in each age.

 

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਣਿਛਤ੍ਰੀਵੈਿਸਸੂਦ੍ਰਿਜੁਗੁਜੁਗੁਏਕੋਵਰਨਬਿਰਾਜੇ।

brahaman chhatree vais soodhr jug jug eko varan biraaje|

In Satiyug, Vishnu is said to have come to earth as Hansavaar and explained the problems pertaining to

 

ਸਤਿਜੁਗਿਹੰਸਅਉਤਾਰੁਧਰਿਸੋਹੰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁਨਦੂਜਾਪਾਜੇ।

satijug ha(n)s aautaar dhar soha(n) braham na dhoojaa paaje|

Metaphysics (The story is there in the eleventh canto of the Bhagvat Purana), and nothing but one soham-Brahm was discussed and pondered upon.

 

ਏਕੋਬ੍ਰਹਮੁਵਖਾਣੀਐਮੋਹਮਾਇਆਤੇਬੇਮੁਹਤਾਜੇ।

eko braham vakhaaneeaai moh maiaa te bemuhataaje|

Getting indifferent to maya, people would praise one Lord.

 

ਕਰਨਿਤਪਸਿਆਬਨਿਵਿਖੈਵਖਤੁਗੁਜਾਰਨਿਪਿੰਨੀਸਾਗੇ।

karan tapasiaa ban vikhai vakhat gujaaran pi(n)nee saage|

They would go to forests and pull on life by eating natural vegetations.

 

ਲਖਿਵਰ੍ਹਿਆਂਦੀਆਰਜਾਕੋਠੇਕੋਟਿਨਮੰਦਰਿਸਾਜੇ।

lakh var(h)hiaa dhee aarajaa kotte koT na ma(n)dhir saaje|

Though they lived for lacs of years but they would construct the palaces, forts and grand mansions.

 

ਇਕਬਿਨਸੈਇਕਅਸਥਿਰੁਗਾਜੇ॥੫॥

eik binasai ik asathir gaaje ||5||

On the one hand the world was passing away and on the other the life current would go stably.

 

Bhai Gurdaas Ji in No Raag - 1

[GurjantGnostic]

ਪਉੜੀ੬:ਤਥਾਚ

6 : tathaach

As Above

 

ਤ੍ਰੇਤੇਛਤ੍ਰੀਰੂਪਧਰਿਸੂਰਜਬੰਸੀਵਡਿਅਵਤਾਰਾ।

trete chhatree roop dhar sooraj ba(n)see vadd avataaraa|

In Treta in the Sun-dynasty descended in the form of the kshatriya(Ram) a great incarnation.

 

ਨਉਹਿਸੇਗਈਆਰਜਾਮਾਇਆਮੋਹੁਅਹੰਕਾਰੁਪਸਾਰਾ।

nau hise giee aarajaa maiaa moh aha(n)kaar pasaaraa|

Now the nine portions of age lessened and illusion,attachment and ego inflated.

 

ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿਜਾਦਵਵੰਸਕਰਿਜੁਗਿਜੁਗਿਅਉਧਘਟੈਆਚਾਰਾ।

dhuaapur jaadhav ves kar jug jug aaudh ghaTai aachaaraa|

In Dvapar, Yadav-dynasty came to the forefront i.e. the incarnation of Krishna became known to the people; but because of the lack of good conduct, Age by Age, the life span (of man) went on decreasing.

 

ਰਿਗਬੇਦਮਹਿਬ੍ਰਹਮਕ੍ਰਿਤਿਪੂਰਬਮੁਖਿਸੁਭਕਰਮਬਿਚਾਰਾ।

rig bedh meh braham kirat poorab mukh subh karam bichaaraa|

In the Rgveda the conduct of the brahmin and the ideas about the actions done facing the East were discussed.

 

ਖਤ੍ਰੀਥਾਪੇਜੁਜਰੁਵੇਦਿਦਖਣਮੁਖਿਬਹੁਦਾਨਦਾਤਾਰਾ।

khatree thaape jujar vedh dhekhan mukh bahu dhaan dhaataaraa|

Kshatriyas became related to the Yajurveda and started pouring charities while facing the South.

 

ਵੈਸੋਂਥਾਪਿਆਸਿਆਮਵੇਦੁਪਛਮੁਮੁਖਿਕਰਿਸੀਸੁਨਿਵਾਰਾ।

vaiso(n) thaapiaa siaam vedh pachham mukh kar sees nivaaraa|

The vaishyas embraced the Samaveda and bowed to the West.

 

ਰਿਗਿਨੀਲੰਬਰਿਜੁਜਰਪੀਤਸ੍ਵੇਤੰਬਰਿਕਰਿਸਿਆਮਸੁਧਾਰਾ।

rig neela(n)bar jujar peet savaieta(n)bar kar siaam sudhaaraa|

Blue dress for Rgveda, yellow for Yajurveda and for singing of the hymns of Samaveda wearing of the white dress became a tradition.

 

ਤ੍ਰਿਹੁਜੁਗੀਤ੍ਰੈਧਰਮਉਚਾਰਾ॥੬॥

tirahu jugee trai dharam auchaaraa ||6||

Thus three duties of the three Ages were enunciated.

 

Bhai Gurdaas Ji in No Raag - 1

[GurjantGnostic]

ਪਉੜੀ੭:ਤਥਾਚ

7 : tathaach

As Above

 

ਕਲਿਜੁਗੁਚਉਥਾਥਾਪਿਆਸੂਦ੍ਰਬਿਰਤਿਜਗਮਹਿਵਰਤਾਈ।

kalijug chauthaa thaapiaa soodhr birat jag meh varataiee|

Kalijug became prevalent as the fourth age in which the low instincts gripped the whole world.

 

ਕਰਮਸੁਰਿਗਿਜੁਜਰਸਿਆਮਕੇਕਰੇਜਗਤੁਰਿਦਿਬਹੁਸੁਕਚਾਈ।

karam su rig jujar siaam ke kare jagat ridh bahu sukachaiee|

People became resultant in performing of the duties enjoined in the Rig, Yajur and Samaveda.

 

ਮਾਇਆਮੋਹੀਮੇਦਨੀਕਲਿਕਲਿਵਾਲੀਸਭਿਭਰਮਾਈ।

maahiaa mohee medhanee kal kal vaalee sabh bharamaiee|

The entire earth got enticed by mammon and the antics of the Kalijug put everyone into delusion.

 

ਉਠੀਗਿਲਾਨਿਜਗਤ੍ਰਿਵਿਚਿਹਉਮੈਅੰਦਰਿਜਲੈਲੁਕਾਈ।

auttee gilaan jagat vich haumai a(n)dhar jalai lukaiee|

Hatred and degeneracy engrossed the people and ego burnt one and all.

 

ਕੋਇਨਾਕਿਸੈਪੂਜਦਾਊਚਨੀਚਸਭਿਗਤਿਬਿਸਰਾਈ।

koi naa kisai poojadhaa uooch neech sabh gat bisaraiee|

Nobody now worships anyone and the sense of respect for the younger and elder has vanished into thin air.

 

ਭਏਬਿਅਦਲੀਪਾਤਸਾਹਕਲਿਕਾਤੀਉਮਰਾਇਕਸਾਈ।

bhe biadhalee paatasaeh kal kaatee aumarai kasaiee|

In this cutter age the emporers are tyrants and their satraps butchers.

 

ਰਹਿਆਤਪਾਵਸੁਤ੍ਰਿਹੁਜੁਗੀਚਉਥੇਜੁਗਿਜੋਦੇਇਸੁਪਾਈ।

rahiaa tapaavas tirahu jugee chauthe jug jo dhei su paiee|

The justice of three ageshas become extinct and now whosoever gives something (as bribe) gets (justice?).

 

ਕਰਮਭ੍ਰਿਸਟਿਸਭਿਭਈਲੋਕਾਈ॥੭॥

karam bhirasaT sabh bhiee lokaiee ||7||

The mankind has become wanting in dexterity of action.

 

Bhai Gurdaas Ji in No Raag - 1

[GurjantGnostic]

The Hindu mantar for God right now is Ram, for 1, not Ram as in Rama. 

[Kaur10]

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Yes but Gurbani comments on that as not being Naam Simran. When doing worship of Devi Devte. 

If a hindu says Bhagwan or Parabraham, or Vishnu, Har, Gobind, Ram the Mantar not devte names they are doing Naam Simran. 

I got what you mean. 

In my initial reply, my reply was bit short cut.  WAHEGURU for us and other names for Hindus. 
 

Thanks for the above Gurbani reference, would read tomorrow. 

[Jigyasu1991]

thanks very much. i found this video very helpful 

 

[Jigyasu1991]

naam di daat explained here also known as naam daan.

as in sukhmani sahib ,

satgur sikh ko naam dhan dei

 

[Jigyasu1991]

Bhai Sewa Singh tarmala explains naam in this video at 00:00:50 

 

[Sat1176]

On 12/1/2023 at 4:13 PM, Jigyasu1991 said:

Can someone please help me understand these terms ? there's lot of subtlety here which daas struggles to understand.

1) Naam (ਨਾਮ),

Naam is the primordial sound of creation; the voice of god; the combined symphony of all the anhand shabads (a loud single sound).

When some people start hearing anhad sounds within they can also be told they starting to hear naam. However there are various stages of hearing the different sounds which das doesn't want to go into because I don't want to say the wrong thing. Maybe refer to some as naam (with small n) and the ultimate Naam (with capital N) just to confuse you even more LOL. Once you hear the True Naam it will have the power to lift the mind/surti and take it on a journey. This I have heard from Gurmukhs but not yet experienced.

2) Naam di Daat (ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਦਾਤ), 

When a Guru/spirtual path teacher/panj pyare give a mantra to the student/disciple to start chanting.

At a higher avasta when Satguru within makes the mind hear the true Naam (1).

3) Naam Japna (ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣਾ),

Chanting a mantra of God's name. A conscious effort is being made to recite the mantra.

4) Is naam japna and Gurmantar abhyaas same ?

Generally speaking yes. When the word japna is used in conjunction with naam they mean the same thing. A conscious effort is being made to recite a mantra of god either verbally or mentally. 

5) Difference in Naam, Gurmantar and Gur ka Shabad

Naam already explained above, Gurmantar and Gur Ka Shabad (Name of God given to a disciple to recite) generally refer to the same thing. Some people also might refer to naam as a gurmantar depending on context but when you are aware off the different meaning try not to mix them up as it can lead to confusion.

It really depends on the context in which they are being used but this is how das understands them in simplistic terms.