chintamatkaro Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 Its Ik Omkar. Onkar - Oankar were mistranslations. Guru Nanak Ji and all the Gurus after him came from Hindu lineage. There are multiple references to Lord Krishna Ji / Vishnu Ji in SGGS Ji. So many so, that if you removed them, there would only be a few pages in the SGGS ji. Bhai Gurdaas Ji stated that the Vaheguru Gurmantar is referencing the Satguru of each age. Vasudev, Hari, Gobind, Ram. These are all “Hindu Gods” except for G - Gobind (Nanak). We are not some new path called Sikhism. Study your ancient history. All your ancient ancestors are Hindu. our roots are in dharmic culture known as Hindu to most. we’re told that idol worship is wrong yet we do that to the SGGS ji, we treat it like a Living Being. Even if we claim to just revere the knowledge in it, we still wake it up, put it to sleep, bow to it… This is a Hindu Dharma Murti worship. And that is good! This is who we are… those who have ears to hear and eyes to see will know, the rest are brainwashed. our history is not 500 ~ years old. It is as ancient as creation itself, from the first yug of creation to now. know thyself Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Dhan Sri Hari Krishan Ji Dhan Dhan all the true saints and Gods/Godesses of our lineage. BOLE SO NIHAL SAT SRI AKAL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premi Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, chintamatkaro said: Its Ik Omkar. Onkar - Oankar were mistranslations. Guru Nanak Ji and all the Gurus after him came from Hindu lineage. There are multiple references to Lord Krishna Ji / Vishnu Ji in SGGS Ji. So many so, that if you removed them, there would only be a few pages in the SGGS ji. Bhai Gurdaas Ji stated that the Vaheguru Gurmantar is referencing the Satguru of each age. Vasudev, Hari, Gobind, Ram. These are all “Hindu Gods” except for G - Gobind (Nanak). We are not some new path called Sikhism. Study your ancient history. All your ancient ancestors are Hindu. our roots are in dharmic culture known as Hindu to most. we’re told that idol worship is wrong yet we do that to the SGGS ji, we treat it like a Living Being. Even if we claim to just revere the knowledge in it, we still wake it up, put it to sleep, bow to it… This is a Hindu Dharma Murti worship. And that is good! This is who we are… those who have ears to hear and eyes to see will know, the rest are brainwashed. our history is not 500 ~ years old. It is as ancient as creation itself, from the first yug of creation to now. know thyself Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Dhan Sri Hari Krishan Ji Dhan Dhan all the true saints and Gods/Godesses of our lineage. BOLE SO NIHAL SAT SRI AKAL I have heard multiple Katha where it is clarified that it is Ik Oankaar. What's your source for 'Ik Omkaar'? What's prompted this topic/thread? Thanks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chintamatkaro Posted January 26 Author Report Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, Premi said: I have heard multiple Katha where it is clarified that it is Ik Oankaar. What's your source for 'Ik Omkaar'? What's prompted this topic/thread? Thanks I dont have the references on hand but apparently it was a mistranslation by Max Arthur Macliffe. What prompted this is just my research and I felt like espousing the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premi Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 Just now, chintamatkaro said: I dont have the refernces on hand but apparently it was a mistranslation by Max Arthur Macliffe. What prompted this is just my research and I felt like espousing the truth. These were not from translations You are not espousing the full truths either, smiley face or no smiley face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chintamatkaro Posted January 26 Author Report Share Posted January 26 Just now, Premi said: These were not from translations You are not espousing the full truths either, smiley face or no smiley face. Maybe I’m wrong on one point, but the message still stands 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premi Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 I agree most of your points make some sense I don't think anyone denies we have overlap with Hindus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premi Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 37 minutes ago, chintamatkaro said: "> Maybe I’m wrong on one point, but the message still stands And didn’t mean to come across rude/nasty, sorry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shaheed4life Posted January 27 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 27 10 hours ago, chintamatkaro said: We are not some new path called Sikhism. Study your ancient history. All your ancient ancestors are Hindu. our roots are in dharmic culture known as Hindu to most. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh Ji! https://www.searchgurbani.com/guru-granth-sahib/shabad/4205/line/10 Guru Arjan Dev Ji as mentions here that we are not Hindu neither are we Muslim. All of our Guru Sahibs are the same jot therefore same explanation for all our Gurus. 10 hours ago, chintamatkaro said: Its Ik Omkar. Onkar - Oankar were mistranslations. Guru Nanak Ji and all the Gurus after him came from Hindu lineage. There are multiple references to Lord Krishna Ji / Vishnu Ji in SGGS Ji. So many so, that if you removed them, there would only be a few pages in the SGGS ji. Please do not spread misinformation Ji, as the majority of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is about Akaal Purakh and not about Hindu Gods Ji. So it is wrong to say that there would only be a few pages left. Secondly this point doesnt not show that we are Sanatan as there are many mentions of Allah in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as well. Bhul Chuk Maaf Ji 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GurjantGnostic Posted January 31 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 31 On 1/26/2024 at 11:09 AM, chintamatkaro said: Guru Nanak Ji and all the Gurus after him came from Hindu lineage. (Dharmi, and it was almost all corrected and tossed out, arguably one of the primary purposes was to combat said ignorance) There are multiple references to Lord Krishna Ji / Vishnu Ji in SGGS Ji. (As failures enticed by maya) Bhai Gurdaas Ji stated that the Vaheguru Gurmantar is referencing the (Mantar of each Yugh into the mahamantar) We are not some new path called Sikhism. (This is Akals timeless way and this Paanth a blossom on that tree) our roots are in dharmic culture (mainly stemming from and benefitting from budhi) we’re told that idol worship is wrong yet we do that to the SGGS ji, we treat it like a Living Being. (We don't worship Guru Saibhan. Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a person.) Even if we claim to just revere the knowledge in it, we still wake it up, put it to sleep, bow to it… This is a Hindu Dharma Murti worship. And that is good! This is who we are… (Yes we are only allowed to bow to God and Guru.) those who have ears to hear and eyes to see will know, the rest are brainwashed. our history is not 500 ~ years old. It is as ancient as creation itself, from the first yug of creation to now. know thyself Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Dhan Sri Hari Krishan Ji Dhan Dhan all the true saints and Gods/Godesses of our lineage. BOLE SO NIHAL SAT SRI AKAL Read through the quote section above. I took the liberty of removing all entirely incorrect statements and fixing the half truths Veer Ji. You are super safronned right now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 We Sikhs are pulled in many directions. We are at the center of the truth and our understanding that there is great confluence of truth makes it easy to sort of adjust to whoever we are speaking to. It is natural to seek peace and find a middle ground with those that hate you. However, we are based, centered, distinct, and correct. We are not hindu, muslim, punjabi, british slaves, a caste, a color, new age, nor do we congregate with christian cults or identify as them while we exemplify as them. We cannot bend too far too long in any direction and we can't let it adjust our foundation. We are timeless. We are Akal Sena. Akali Fauj. Khalsa Fauj. Nirmal Paanth. Not born from anything but truth God rightousness sent to serve and correct, inspire. Exemplify. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 And they owe us the first born in each family, sincerely in gratitude. To serve Akal not us them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 ਆਸਾਮਹਲਾ੫॥ aasaa mahalaa panjavaa || Aasaa, Fifth Mehla: ਮਾਥੈਤ੍ਰਿਕੁਟੀਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿਕਰੂਰਿ॥ maathai tirakuTee dhirasaT karoor || A frown creases her forehead, and her look is evil. ਬੋਲੈਕਉੜਾਜਿਹਬਾਕੀਫੂੜਿ॥ bolai kauRaa jihabaa kee fooR || Her speech is bitter, and her tongue is rude. ਸਦਾਭੂਖੀਪਿਰੁਜਾਨੈਦੂਰਿ॥੧॥ sadhaa bhookhee pir jaanai dhoor ||1|| She is always hungry, and she believes her Husband to be far away. ||1|| ਐਸੀਇਸਤ੍ਰੀਇਕਰਾਮਿਉਪਾਈ॥ aaisee isatree ik raam aupaiee || Such is Maya, the woman, which the One Lord has created. ਉਨਿਸਭੁਜਗੁਖਾਇਆਹਮਗੁਰਿਰਾਖੇਮੇਰੇਭਾਈ॥ਰਹਾਉ॥ aun sabh jag khaiaa ham gur raakhe mere bhaiee || rahaau || She is devouring the whole world, but the Guru has saved me, O my Siblings of Destiny. ||Pause|| ਪਾਇਠਗਉਲੀਸਭੁਜਗੁਜੋਹਿਆ॥ pai ttagaulee sabh jag johiaa || Administering her poisons, she has overcome the whole world. ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਬਿਸਨੁਮਹਾਦੇਉਮੋਹਿਆ॥ brahamaa bisan mahaadheau mohiaa || She has bewitched Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿਨਾਮਿਲਗੇਸੇਸੋਹਿਆ॥੨॥ guramukh naam lage se sohiaa ||2|| Only those Gurmukhs who are attuned to the Naam are blessed. ||2|| ਵਰਤਨੇਮਕਰਿਥਾਕੇਪੁਨਹਚਰਨਾ॥ varat nem kar thaake punahacharanaa || Performing fasts, religious observances and atonements, the mortals have grown weary. ਤਟਤੀਰਥਭਵੇਸਭਧਰਨਾ॥ taT teerath bhave sabh dharanaa || They wander over the entire planet, on pilgrimages to the banks of sacred rivers. ਸੇਉਬਰੇਜਿਸਤਿਗੁਰਕੀਸਰਨਾ॥੩॥ se aubare j satigur kee saranaa ||3|| But they alone are saved, who seek the Sanctuary of the True Guru. ||3|| ਮਾਇਆਮੋਹਿਸਭੋਜਗੁਬਾਧਾ॥ maiaa moh sabho jag baadhaa || Attached to Maya, the whole world is in bondage. ਹਉਮੈਪਚੈਮਨਮੁਖਮੂਰਾਖਾ॥ haumai pachai manamukh mooraakhaa || The foolish self-willed manmukhs are consumed by their egotism. ਗੁਰਨਾਨਕਬਾਹਪਕਰਿਹਮਰਾਖਾ॥੪॥੨॥੯੬॥ gur naanak baeh pakar ham raakhaa ||4||2||96|| Taking me by the arm, Guru Nanak has saved me. ||4||2||96|| Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Aasaa - 394 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chintamatkaro Posted March 23 Author Report Share Posted March 23 On 1/31/2024 at 4:15 PM, GurjantGnostic said: And they owe us the first born in each family, sincerely in gratitude. To serve Akal not us them. Theres no us or them. I dont like hindu nationalists or khalistanis. We come from hindu roots were for sure a different breed but to ignore our roots and culture is paramount ignorance. The answer is not black and white as you’d assume so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 On 3/23/2024 at 2:02 PM, chintamatkaro said: Theres no us or them. I dont like hindu nationalists or khalistanis. We come from hindu roots were for sure a different breed but to ignore our roots and culture is paramount ignorance. The answer is not black and white as you’d assume so. We don't come from Hindu nothing bro. That's atheism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chintamatkaro Posted March 28 Author Report Share Posted March 28 On 3/25/2024 at 2:56 PM, GurjantGnostic said: We don't come from Hindu nothing bro. That's atheism. Bro is brainwashedddd by Khalistanis wake up and research Kavi Santokh Singh brahmins helped us ALOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chintamatkaro Posted March 28 Author Report Share Posted March 28 On 3/25/2024 at 2:56 PM, GurjantGnostic said: We don't come from Hindu nothing bro. That's atheism. My brother in Waheguru research Misr Diwan Chand hindus and sikhs are basically interchangeable british empire came to DESTROY our unity lol why does dasveen paatshah ji call himself cow protector in sri gurudev dasam grnth ji WAKE UP u been programmed by agents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chintamatkaro Posted March 28 Author Report Share Posted March 28 On 3/25/2024 at 2:56 PM, GurjantGnostic said: We don't come from Hindu nothing bro. That's atheism. Did we come from asmaan? we come from Hindus dont listen to brainwashers we are one community rss are Bad khalistani are Bad normal people who know Sikhi know our roots is ARYA SAMAJ We are also a unique panth we show respect to our ANcestors IF you know your past you can predict your future a man who doesnt know his past doesnt know where hes going in future sat sri akal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 4 hours ago, chintamatkaro said: Did we come from asmaan? we come from Hindus dont listen to brainwashers we are one community rss are Bad khalistani are Bad normal people who know Sikhi know our roots is ARYA SAMAJ We are also a unique panth we show respect to our ANcestors IF you know your past you can predict your future a man who doesnt know his past doesnt know where hes going in future sat sri akal So you're saying Guru Saibhan are liars? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PCSJZ Posted March 28 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 28 Why do we give the time of day to members like Chintamatkaro? Hes a flippin troll spreading misinformation about Sikhi. Why is he not banned yet? Mods?? I’m all for people being able to give their opinions but this is a bit too much. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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