vijaydeep Singh Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Gurfateh Das did made some post about Shia Nihungs in another forum. As per Khuswant Singh Ji and Baba Nidder Singh Ji,there are Nihungs in Shias also. Das did make a theory that Humyan got help from Shia Shah Tahmasp of Faras after conversion to shi' aism. As per Khuswant Singh there was perhaps Suicide souades of Muslims with this name. As Aurangzeeb was bigot Sunni and perhaps Naqshbandi,he did prosecute Sufis,Shias,Boharas and many Muslims also as Hindus and Sikhs. Is it possible that Shias defacted to Guru and that Shia regement of Nihungs became Singhs? What is the Family history of Baba Maha Singh? Kindly do not make it a contraversy but das just beg for more info? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystical Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Well even Guru Ji called the enemy Nihangs. Im not saying Muslims were Guru Ji's enemy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Dear brother could you give me the reference from Khushwant Singh please. I 'll explore this possibility which according to my research so far does not at all seem impossible. Ya Ali Hu Hu Hu!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 how could aurangzeb have been a sunni, if his son bahadur shah was a shia? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Dear Amardeep you seem to forget that father-son relations at the Mughal court were far from being what they are supposed to be today. The young princes very often only had formal contact with their father. Look at Aurangzeb for example. Though his father was close to Sufism and Shi'ism (if not even a hidden Shi'a like many early Mughals) and Mumtaz definetly Shi'a, Aurangzeb still became a staunch Sunni close to the Naqshbandis. His older brother Dara Shikoh and his sister Jahanara were both Qaderi Sufis. So among he Mughals themselvs it wasn't so much family that decided your religious beliefs but your own interests and upbringing. Interestingly enough the father of Bhai Nand Lal was a scholar working for Dara Shikoh whilst Bhai Nand Lal himself was an advisor of Bahadur Shah. It is hence not surprising to see Bahadur Shah being Shi'a whilst his own father was Sunni. Anyway did Abu Bakr's son Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr leave his father after he usurped power after the Prophet's death? Didn't he join Imam Ali (as) and wasn't he adopted by him? If this is true for the son of the father of Sunnism why wouldn't it be true for the son of India's Sunni emperor Aurangzeb? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted June 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Gurfateh Das saw it in the book by Khushwant Singh titled History of Sikhs in two vloumes.Das will any try to meet Khushwant Singh if possbile and discuss this matter but it may be difficult as that guy is quite old and commoner like das may not be allowe d to meet him. http://allaboutsikhs.com/person/khushwantsingh.htm A book, "A history of Sikhs" by him remains to this day a well-researched and scholarly work. It is a classic two-volume book on Sikh History and is used as reference by many scholars. https://www.vedamsbooks.com/no14556.htm A History of the Sikhs/Khushwant Singh. Reprinted with corrections. 1999, 2 vols., 944 p., maps. Contents: Vol. 1: 1469-1839: Preface. I. The Punjab and the birth of Sikhism: 1. The Sikh homeland. 2. Birth of Sikhism. 3. Building of the Sikh church. 4. The call to arms. 5. From the Pacifist Sikh to the Militant Khalsa. II. The agrarian uprising: 6. The rise and fall of Banda Bahadur. 7. Persecution of the Sikhs and the reorganisation of the Khalsa Army. 8. Ahmed Shah Abdali and the Sikhs. 9. From the Indus to the Ganges. III. Punjab monarchy and imperialism: 10. Rise of the Sukerchakia Misl. 11. Maharajah of the Punjab. 12. Suzerain of Malwa. 13. British annexation of Malwa: treaty of Lahore, 1809. 14. Consolidation of the Punjab. 15. Extinction of Afghan power in Northern India. 16. Europeanisation of the army. 17. Dreams of Sindh and the sea. 18. Across the Himalayas to Tibet. IV. Appendices: 1. Janamsakhis and other sources of information on the life of Guru Nanak. 2. Adi Granth or the Granth Sahib. 3. Bhai Gurdas. 4. Dasam Granth. 5. Hymns from the Adi Granth. 6. Treaty of Lahore, 1809. 7. Tripartite treaty of 1838. Bibliography. Index. Vol. 2: 1839-1988: Preface. I. Fall of the Sikh Kingdom: 1. The Punjab on the death of Ranjit Singh. 2. First Anglo-Sikh war. 3. The Punjab under British occupation. 4. Second Anglo-Sikh war. II. Consolidation of British power in the Punjab: 5. Annexation of the Punjab. 6. Sikhs and the mutiny of 1857. 7. Crescat e Fluviis. III. Social and religious reform: 8. Religious movements. 9. Singh Sabha and social reform. IV. Political movements: Marxist, national and sectarian: 10. Rural indebtedness and peasant agitation. 11. World War I and its aftermath. 12. Xenophobic Marxism. 13. Gurdwara reform: rise of the Akali immortals. 14. Constitutional reform and the Sikhs. V. Politics of partition: independence and the demand for a Sikh homeland: 15. Sikhs and World War II (1939-1945). 16. Prelude to the partition of India. 17. Civil strife, exodus, and resettlement. 18. A state of their own. 19. Prosperity and religious fundamentalism. 20. The Anandpur Sahib resolution and other Akali demands. 21. Fatal miscalculation. 22. Assassination and after. 23. Elections and the accord. 24. Foreign connections and Khalistan. VI. Appendices: 1. Cultural heritage of the Sikhs. 2. Treaty between the British Government and the state of Lahore, March 9, 1846. 3. Articles of agreement concluded between the British Government and the Lahore Durbar on March 11, 1846. 4. Articles of agreement concluded between the British and the Lahore Durbar on December 16, 1846. 5. Mr. Suhrawardy's statement on the Riots, September 30, 1946. 6. Anandpur Sahib resolution. 7. Revised list of 15 demands received from the Akali Dal by Government in October, 1981. Bibliography. Index. "First published in 1963, this is the standard and well-established book on its subject. It is accessible to a general, non-scholarly audience, while being based on scholarly archival research. "Volume 1 covers the social, religious and political background which led to the forming of the Sikh faith in the fifteenth century. Basing his account on original documents in Persian, Gurmukhi and English, the author traces the growth of Sikhism and tells of the compilation of its sacred scriptures in the Granth Sahib. "The transformation of the Sikhs from a pacifist sect to a militant group called the Khalsa led by Guru Gobind Singh is portrayed in detail, as is the relationship of the Sikhs with the Mughals and the Afghans, until the consolidation of Sikh power under Maharaja Ranjit Singh. "Volume 2 continues Khushwant Singh's history of the Sikhs, taking up the thread at the death of Maharaja Ranjit Singh in 1839, and focusing on the continuing Sikh struggle for survival as a separate community. The development of religious, sociological, and political movements under British expansionism and the threat of Muslim domination are explored. The author chronicles the years following Indian independence, marked by the demand for a distinct Sikh state, and presents the events leading up to and following 'Operation Blue Star' when the Indian army entered the Golden Temple in 1984." [Khushwant Singh is a renowned journalist, and an authority on Sikh history.] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zafar sharif Posted November 25, 2023 Report Share Posted November 25, 2023 I was actually shocked when sikhs were showing to be very islamophobic.Also,please don't judge us with those raafidhis.Those raafidhis are not muslim,rather they are majusi extremist.Iran is the largest exporter of international terrorism.Also sharia contains all forms of law,both penal and jurisprudence. Islam and all divinely revealed religion condemns all forms of immorality except liberalism.The reason why adulterers,fornicators,homosexuals are penalised is because of the threat they pose spiritually and physically.Just look at western civilization,even they agree adultery had negative effect on their life.Also apostates are punished,in order to deter breaking up,apostasy and lost of faith among muslim community.Even then,apostate are provided opportunity to revert back to religion,and even provided all sorts of facilities.Strict punishment in Shariah to for deterrence.Also this is ridiculous to justify the killing of Hazrat Hussein at the hands of yazid.And also, Ayesha siddhique (ra) was innocent and she was falsely accused.Thats why four witness is necessary so that accuracy is maintained,and innocent must not be targeted. If you still hate muslims,then see what your kings,gurus and even your extremist has committed extremism defaming your own community. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted November 29, 2023 Report Share Posted November 29, 2023 On 11/25/2023 at 4:44 AM, zafar sharif said: I was actually shocked when sikhs were showing to be very islamophobic.Also,please don't judge us with those raafidhis.Those raafidhis are not muslim,rather they are majusi extremist.Iran is the largest exporter of international terrorism.Also sharia contains all forms of law,both penal and jurisprudence. Islam and all divinely revealed religion condemns all forms of immorality except liberalism.The reason why adulterers,fornicators,homosexuals are penalised is because of the threat they pose spiritually and physically.Just look at western civilization,even they agree adultery had negative effect on their life.Also apostates are punished,in order to deter breaking up,apostasy and lost of faith among muslim community.Even then,apostate are provided opportunity to revert back to religion,and even provided all sorts of facilities.Strict punishment in Shariah to for deterrence.Also this is ridiculous to justify the killing of Hazrat Hussein at the hands of yazid.And also, Ayesha siddhique (ra) was innocent and she was falsely accused.Thats why four witness is necessary so that accuracy is maintained,and innocent must not be targeted. If you still hate muslims,then see what your kings,gurus and even your extremist has committed extremism defaming your own community. Are muslims Sikhphobes? What did we say islamaphobic? Love my Akhis but one don't play bs. We don't agree with Islam brother. Simple as that. Our history is perfect essentially. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted November 29, 2023 Report Share Posted November 29, 2023 If you'd like to edify the Sikh community please continue to participate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premi Posted November 29, 2023 Report Share Posted November 29, 2023 On 11/25/2023 at 12:44 PM, zafar sharif said: I was actually shocked when sikhs were showing to be very islamophobic ... If you still hate muslims,then see what your kings,gurus and even your extremist has committed extremism defaming your own community. Hello. What do you mean by Islamophobic? Were the Mughals friends of Sikhs? Were Nadir Shah and Ahmed Abdali friends of Sikhs? Were those Muslims who wanted Pakistan friends of Sikhs? Which extremism are you talking of ?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted November 29, 2023 Report Share Posted November 29, 2023 18 minutes ago, Premi said: Hello. What do you mean by Islamophobic? Were the Mughals friends of Sikhs? Were Nadir Shah and Ahmed Abdali friends of Sikhs? Were those Muslims who wanted Pakistan friends of Sikhs? Which extremism are you talking of ?! Who calls who kufar? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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