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[sikhyouth2007]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

Brothers and sisters , it has come to light that sexual abuse of our sikh youth is a real problem across the world and finaly some one has spoken up about this great injustice.

Sangat Ji , please review this shocking news story out of Winnipeg,Canada. It involves 3 Nanaksar "Gianis" raping and molesting a youth for more than 5 years. The abuse took place in the Gurughar from the time the child was eight and lasted for five years. Since this story broke in the media, other Sikh youths have now come forward to police regarding sexual abuse they also faced in the Gurughar when they were children.This is truly kaljug when this type of beadbi is being committed in our Gurughars. These molesters need to be exposed in our community . Sexual abuse in our culture/religion is still seen as taboo, in these days of kaljug we need to educate our young Sikh youth with the doctrine that sexual abuse can not, and will not be tolerated. These heinous people that committed these evil acts will no longer be able to hide being a false veil of priesthood. They need to be exposed and excommunicated from the Sikh community as a whole.The only way to educate is the public is to inform the public!

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/20...kh-arrests.html

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscribe...p-4429523c.html

http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipeg/2...175445-sun.html link might not work. The story is outlines below:

A Winnipeg man whose complaints about sexual misconduct led to the arrest of three Sikh priests last month was allegedly molested for more than five years, between the ages of eight and 14.

As first reported in the Sun last week, three priests from the Gurdwara Nanaksar temple in St. Vital were arrested Dec. 23 amid allegations of inappropriate sexual conduct.

Police were initially tight-lipped about the details, but cops revealed yesterday all three priests -- men aged 37, 43, and 47 -- are facing charges of sexual assault, invitation to sexual touching, sexual interference and sexual exploitation. The 37- and 43-year-old men are each facing an additional charge of anal intercourse.

None of the allegations have been proven in court. Sheldon Pinx, the lawyer representing all three men, said last week that his clients maintain their innocence and deny all charges.

Const. Jacquie Chaput, a police spokeswoman, said yesterday the alleged abuses are said to have taken place between June 1990 and January 1996.

Police are only aware of one alleged victim, but Chaput said investigators would speak with additional complainants if any came forward.

She also said additional arrests may be pending. Police have previously said a fourth suspect was believed to be in Vancouver.

The charges of sexual assault, sexual interference, invitation to sexual touching and anal intercourse all carry maximum sentences of 10 years in prison upon conviction. Sexual exploitation -- defined as sexual touching or invitation by a person "in a position of trust or authority" -- carries a maximum five-year sentence.

The priests have been released from custody on promises to appear in court, which they are scheduled to do next month.

Their arrests have sparked shock among the Sikh community in Winnipeg and beyond. Some Sikhs have identified the Gurdwara Nanaksar temple as a member of a sect outside mainstream Sikhism. The temple is one of only 17 in the world affiliated with the Nanaksar Satsang Sabha organization.

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

[sikhyouth2007]

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh

Is the Sanjat so shocked that nobody has posted a comment to this story?

I know that this sickens me to my core, thinking that people that we trust so much could have defiled one of our own youth. Waheguru has exposed these evil people, now us as the Sikh sangat need to address these problems. We should learn for our Catholic brothers and sisters that these problems can not be hidden from. Sooner or later they have to be dealt with. I think that the Sikh community needs to better educate our youth about sex and sexual misconduct.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

[sikhyouth2007]

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh.

Local police are asking the public for help, this is the latest in this story. My personal baintee to any of the this web sites sangat is, if you or anyone you know that possibly has any further information regarding this case, please contact Winnipeg Police services child sex crime unit @ 204-986-6091. If you or anyone you know is experiencing sexual abuse in your own home town, please contact your local authorities.These crimes need to be reported!

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingn...p-4444594c.html outlined below

Police seek information in Sikh priest sex abuse allegations

City police are asking the Sikh community for more information in connection to an historic sexual abuse investigation involving three Sikh priests.Const. Jacqueline Chaput said Friday despite the three men being charged with multiple sexual abuse charges the investigation continues with the possibility of more arrests.

Bakhshish Singh, 47, Kuljit Singh, 43, Dalbag Singh, 37, are scheduled to appear in a Winnipeg court next month. They were first arrested Dec. 23.All three are priests at the Gurdwara Nanaksar temple in St. Vital. Gurdwara Nanaksar is one of only 17 temples of its kind worldwide - it is affiliated with a specific Sikh sect, Nanaksar Satsang Sabha. There are about 300 members in Winnipeg.

The charges against the men are only allegations which have not been proven in court.The charges are in connection to alleged sexual assaults against a young boy more than a decade ago. The man is now in his mid-20s and a resident of Winnipeg.

Police have also said the charges are linked to an alleged Dec. 14 kidnapping in which a man armed with a sword and another man armed with a tire iron kidnapped two priests from the temple. The men drove them to a residence in the Waverley area where they allegedly physically assaulted the priests.

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

[asb]

it doesnt matter what their religion is or what their position of authority is, if the charges are true, then they will be tried by the law of the land hopefully punished severely, and then they look forward to the real beating in Gods court. I doubt very much if any priest in any religion is representing the community or on the path to God if they are that paapi, He sees all, their is no corner in the universe a sin will go unnoticed, unwritten. Sikh Youth, temper your emotions, wait for the trial, and evidence in any situation, then you will find support.

Sat Sri Akal

[Singh47]

I don’t believe that we should blame any one Jatha or Sampradaya for sex scandals. But I think that such cases do point to us how important it is that individuals live Grahisti Jeevan. Bihangam life style is not for everyone, and should not be a compulsory rule for Babas to join Nanaksar order. It should be optional. Kaam is such a strong emotion that anyone can fall. Even great Rishis sometimes have fallen.

[asb]

theres kaam and theres committing a crime, huuuuuuuge difference. Sorry singh Ji wasnt trying to make light of your post.

[Singh47]

My point was, it is lack of control of Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh, Ahankar and other such negative emotions is what leads to all crime in the world. If one is not a Brahmgiani, yet still feels they need to keep a Bachelor lifestyle, then they should live away from human contact. There was a reason why Sadhus and Yogis would live away from civilization into caves and jungles to do meditation, “No humans, No temptation” is how they saw it. But for Nanaksar Babas, they live within society, plus they lead a bachaler lifestyle. Only the strong will survive this, the weak will submit to Kaam. Because many times the "Bachelar for life" rule is not for everyone. That is why Sikhs lead the Grahisti jeevan.

[sikhyouth2007]

Celibacy & Gurmat Wednesday 24th of January 2007 Panthic Weekly Editors Recently Nanaksar Gurdwara in Winnipeg in Canada has been in the media limelight after four sevadaars were arrested and charged with sexual misconduct. One news article quoted a member of the Nanaksar Gurdwara saying, "Priests at the temple are expected to be celibate, and from as young as age eight lead a monastic life of meditation and prayer". He added, "(The priests) are raised in the temples - they don't have a choice in whether they are celibate or not." This leads to the question, since when has celibacy been a Rehit (discipline) or compulsion in Sikhi, and since when has their been priesthood?

The Sikh Gurus all married and had a householder's life because this was according to the Gurmat philosophy advocated by Guru Nanak Sahib Ji. The only Guru Sahib who didn't marry was the child-guru, Guru HarKrishan Sahib Ji. The Sikh Gurus not only had happy married lives but also had children. They undermined the commonly held beliefs and rules observed by mystics that marriage and family hindered spiritual progress or led to impurity and showed that family life and marriage is not necessarily a hindrance.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਿਬਹੈ ਸਪਰਵਾਰਿ ॥

"In the midst of his family, the Gurmukh lives a spiritual life." (941)

As in Sukhmani Sahib Guru Sahib re-defined Baishno, Pandit, etc., in the same way Guru Nanak Sahib jee re-defined what a true householder is and what a true celibate:

ਭਗਤ ਜਨਾ ਕਉ ਸਰਧਾ ਆਪਿ ਹਰਿ ਲਾਈ ॥

ਵਿਚੇ ਗ੍ਰਿਸਤ ਉਦਾਸ ਰਹਾਈ ॥੨॥

"The Lord Himself infuses devotion into His humble devotees. In the midst of family life, they remain unattached. ||2||" (494)

ਜੋ ਇਸੁ ਮਾਰੇ ਸੋਈ ਜਤੀ ॥

"One who kills duality is truly a celibate." (238)

Guru Nanak Sahib Ji knew that he would be travelling the world, leaving his family to fend for themselves during his long absences, yet Guru Ji also married and had a family. Guru Ji didn't for a moment think: my family will interfere in my seva or bhagti.

Celibacy is a personal choice, however Gurbani at any place does not justify or encourage celibacy or make it a compulsion for elevating one's spirituality. Therefore, its definitely not a Rehit for "priests" as preached by Nanaksar. On the contrary the Bhagats, as well as the Guru Sahibs condemn the belief that celibacy is a means of bhagti or seva.

ਬਿੰਦੁ ਰਾਖਿ ਜੌ ਤਰੀਐ ਭਾਈ ॥

ਖੁਸਰੈ ਕਿਉ ਨ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਈ ॥੩॥

"If someone could save himself by celibacy, O Siblings of Destiny, why then haven't eunuchs obtained the state of supreme dignity? ||3||" (324)

ਜਤੀ ਸਦਾਵਹਿ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਨ ਜਾਣਹਿ ਛਡਿ ਬਹਹਿ ਘਰ ਬਾਰੁ ॥

"They call themselves celibate, and abandon their homes, but they do not know the true way of life." (469)

Someone claiming to be a Sikh and instructing others to become celibates or not marry for religious reasons, like Sant Deras are doing, is contrary to Sikhi. According to Gurmat there is no religious requirement, code of conduct or spiritual merit in becoming a celibate.

Guru Nanak Sahib Ji recommended gristh jeevan that means the life of a householder, in which husband and wife were equal partners. Fidelity was enjoined upon both. Just as a person as a child first plays in toy cars and then when he gets older he learns to drive a real car, similarly the marital life of man and woman is a partnership and prepares one's soul for the greater marriage of the soul with the Supreme soul. For this reason the Lavan (hymns) read at a Sikh marriage ceremony actually refer to the marriage of the soul to God however the same hymns are used to marry a man and woman.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਿਬਹੈ ਸਪਰਵਾਰਿ ॥

"In the midst of his family, the Gurmukh lives a spiritual life." (941)

In Gurbani marital and family life is presented as a cherished ideal, which provides many metaphors for the expression of love for God. Bhai Gurdas Ji pays high tribute to women:

"A woman, is the favourite in her parental home, loved dearly by her father and mother. In the home of her in-laws, she is the pillar of the family, the guarantee of its good fortune... Sharing in spiritual wisdom and enlightenment and with noble qualities endowed, a woman, the other half of man, escorts him to the door of liberation." (Vaar 1, Pauri 16)

http://www.panthic.org/news/131/ARTICLE/3067/2007-01-24.html

[Guest]

Some bits of panthic weekly article is total farce, sorry to say, especially this one:

Someone claiming to be a Sikh and instructing others to become celibates or not marry for religious reasons, like Sant Deras are doing, is contrary to Sikhi. According to Gurmat there is no religious requirement, code of conduct or spiritual merit in becoming a celibate.

First of all these looosers/leechers should get off their "anti sant syndrome" and visit any sant dera or any sant from nanaksar- talk to sants themselves, no sant from nanaksar or from any dera tells sevadars or students that be celibate or adapt behungam marg, 99.99% of the times its a students or sevadars themselves in sharda are ready to offer all their life in the charan of guru maharaj, sant, dera, sangat. Sometimes decisions are made by students in haste, sometimes decisions are atal(firm) because of excessive bairaag (deattachment with outside world). If students make decisions in haste, they get warned by teachers(sants)- dekla this marg is very khatan. Those kinda warnings are given to those who wish themselves to accept behangum marg. If students who have made decisions in haste have slipped away from the tyaagi bairaagi behangum sikhi marg in over time and became sexual molesters, perverts like above accused gyanis,

how in the flipping hell sant is responsible for this?

Panthic weekly should read some history (how both gristhi marg and behungam marg of personal choice are equally acceptable in gurmat marg) and also they should talk to sants from nanaksar before making ignorant remarks/ accusing sants from nanaksar or sants in general for giving "celibacy instructions" to the sevadars.

As far as i know, they are gristhi nanaksar sevadars as well- they cannot commit spending 24/7 in the gurdwara, however they are allowed all the seva which behungam singhs do in nanaksar.

[shaheediyan]

Nanaksar Tath Isher Darbaar (Baba Amar Singh), does not request celibacy from sevadaars. Many of the main sevadaar from this Gurdwara are happily married with children (Baba Ji finding them suitable wives) , whilst still being full time sevadaars.

There are more than a few splinter groups of Baba Nand Singh Ji's/Baba Isher Singh Ji's movement, so one needs to be careful not to group them together, when refereing to Nanaksar.

The celibacy as far as I am aware is a personal choice, and one which usually only the leaders/sants/Baba's/Jathedaars etc decide to take to enable them to focus on their spiritual objectives without any attachment/distraction (in the way of their Nirmala inspired roots).

[sikhyouth2007]

This particular Nanaksar is under the guidance of Baba Gurdev Singh

[John]

I have been to a number of clubs, and have seen guys flirting with girls and vice versa, often the guys 'play fight' with these girls, however, their intention is basically to 'cop a feel', would this be a type of harassment?

According to some if the girl has no problem with it then whats the issue? what would members of this forum suggest?

What if the person is mentally disturbed or incorrect and he/she committed such an act, would we still blame them?

Thank you, a bit of a moral one this!!

[Guest]

Yes currrent gurdwara is under guidance of baba gurdev singh ji, just to let sangat know that,

baba gurdev singh ji was in the panj pyares seva with baba isher singh ji nanaksarwale side by side, baba gurdev singh ji was one of favourite students of baba isher singh ji nanaksarwale.

[John]

I have been to a number of clubs, and have seen guys flirting with girls and vice versa, often the guys 'play fight' with these girls, however, their intention is basically to 'cop a feel', would this be a type of harassment?

According to some if the girl has no problem with it then whats the issue? what would members of this forum suggest?

What if the person is mentally disturbed or incorrect and he/she committed such an act, would we still blame them?

Thank you, a bit of a moral one this!!

[sikhyouth2007]

Sikh priests to stand trial on molestation accusation

Postby kinghsingh » Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:50 am

The following is out of Winnipeg Manitoba Canada.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipe ... 1-sun.html

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Sikh priests to stand trial on molestation accusation

By PAUL TURENNE, SUN MEDIA

Last Updated: 20th August 2009, 1:53am

Three Sikh priests accused of molesting a member of their Winnipeg temple when he was a boy will stand trial on their charges.

Provincial court Judge Michel Chartier ruled yesterday there is sufficient evidence to try Bakhshish Singh, Dalbag Singh and Kuljit Singh on charges related to the alleged abuse of a temple member for several years during the early 1990s.

Chartier made the ruling following a one-day preliminary hearing yesterday. The evidence given at the hearing is subject to a publication ban.

The men were arrested in December 2006 and their arrests came shortly after two of them were abducted at swordpoint by two men, including the man who accused them of the abuse.

That man was convicted last summer of unlawful confinement and assault causing bodily harm in connection with the abduction. He received a one-year suspended sentence.

Court heard during his case that he claimed to have been assaulted at least 100 times by the priests while he was a member of the Gurdwara Nanaksar temple in St. Vital.

All three priests have always maintained their innocence.

All three are charged with sex assault, invitation to sexual touching and sexual interference, while Dalbag and Kuljit Singh are also charged with engaging in a intercourse with a minor.

The trial date is expected to be set next month.

paul.turenne@sunmedia.ca"

Source WINNIPEG SUN, WINNIPEG MANITOBA CANADA

also

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/ ... 85912.html

Sikh priests face sex assault trial

THREE Sikh priests have been ordered to stand trial for allegedly sexually abusing a young boy for years in a bizarre case that has divided their community.

Bakhshish Singh, 49; Kuljit Singh, 45; and Dalbag Singh, 39, learned their fate following a preliminary hearing on Wednesday.

A judge ruled there is sufficient evidence to move the case forward.

A court-ordered ban prevents details of from being published.

Police began investigating in December 2006 after the three priests were kidnapped from Gurdwara Nanaksar, located on St. David Road in St. Vital.

A 26-year-old stormed inside the temple and confronted the trio for allegedly molesting him from the time he was eight years old until he was 15.

He was armed with a ceremonial sword, which he maintains he was carrying out of religious tradition, and not as a threatening weapon.

The man forced the priests into a vehicle and drove them to his parents' home, where he hoped to have them admit to the alleged sexual abuse while his mother and sister listened.

Police were called and eventually laid numerous charges against all of the parties.

The alleged sex assault victim pleaded guilty to his role last year and was given a suspended sentence and probation.

Crown attorney Melinda Murray said the disturbing case has shocked the Sikh community.

"It's clear to me there's been a division within the Sikh temple and the community.... There are sides being taken, a big discussion and it's become quite difficult for both sides," she told court.

Gurdwara Nanaksar is one of only 17 temples of its kind in the world. It's associated with a specific Sikh sect, Nanaksar Satsang Sabha.

There are about 300 members in Winnipeg. Priests at the temple are expected to be celibate, and from as young as age eight lead a monastic life of meditation and prayer.

Defence lawyer Kathy Bueti told court her client claims to have been sexually assaulted at least 100 times by the priests on an almost daily basis.

She asked the court to take his emotional state into account when sentencing the man for kidnapping.

"He dealt with that and didn't tell a soul. This was the first day he was going to tell another human being on earth what had happened," she said.

Provincial court Judge Catherine Carlson said while she noted the remorse shown by the man and his compliance with court orders since he was charged, she couldn't send a message condoning vigilante justice.

"The courts simply cannot sanction individuals, even individuals who themselves may be victims of horrendous crimes, taking the law in any way into their own hands and confronting their alleged perpetrators," Carlson said.

The three priests remain free on bail. The charges involved alleged incidents between 1990 and 1996.

No trial date has been set.

www.mikeoncrime.com

source Winnipeg Free Press. Winnipeg Manitoba Canada