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You'd have to experiment or hold some kind of competition to find out.

I've seen people try this back in the day - they got their arses kicked in - badly.

there are two famous examples of scrawny dudes being blessed by Guru Sahib, and showing awesome skill.

That's a gross simplification of both the subject and those events.

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Mentality is a huge factor in any hand-hand combat.

Most professional fighters know that their mind is the primary weapon before the rehearsed moves and co-ordination come in.

We all know what 'Eye of the Tiger' means I think ! :mellow: and we've all seen underdogs win major fights just because they had this eye of the tiger in them.

To have the mental ''umpph' is very important in my opinion and you can be surprised how your body can do wonders !

If any of you do something simple like 20 reps on some dumbbells lets say......

Then say that you get fatigue on 15, but can carry on until the last 20.

Now, if you try and completely relax your body and 'MIND' whilst doing this and take away the counting, then you can eventually lift another 5 by getting your mind to override the pain of fatigue and also by being more relaxed to get the 15-20 grunt off your face !

Try it !!! it works for me and ALL this control is in the MIND.

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Good for you.

Try stretching that big brain of yours a bit more. lol

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Mentality is a huge factor in any hand-hand combat.

Most professional fighters know that their mind is the primary weapon before the rehearsed moves and co-ordination come in.

We all know what 'Eye of the Tiger' means I think ! :mellow: and we've all seen underdogs win major fights just because they had this eye of the tiger in them.

To have the mental ''umpph' is very important in my opinion and you can be surprised how your body can do wonders !

If any of you do something simple like 20 reps on some dumbbells lets say......

Then say that you get fatigue on 15, but can carry on until the last 20.

Now, if you try and completely relax your body and 'MIND' whilst doing this and take away the counting, then you can eventually lift another 5 by getting your mind to override the pain of fatigue and also by being more relaxed to get the 15-20 grunt off your face !

Try it !!! it works for me and ALL this control is in the MIND.

Yeah that's the idea.There have been some documented instances where people were able to lift much more weight than they normally could in times of distress. That's what I am interested in. Can the mind be manually pumped up enough to override the capacity of the body in a way that is much more drastic than what you suggest?

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Well i'm sure it can.

We have all seen and heard about the yogis who meditate deeply and psych up their minds so as to dissacoiate from any pain perceptions and walk on fire, hot stones or lay on beds of nails....etc....

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Walking on hot coals has more to do with dry feet than mentality. Lying on a bed of nails has more to do with pressure and the surface area of the nails than some magic ability to stop the nails going through the skin.

In reality, the laws of physics will always apply to fights. No matter your pain tolerance, a well placed powerful punch to your head will still rattle your brains around your skull and possibly make you pass out. If you dont know how to clench a fist then chances are you will break your hand when you hit someone. No matter how mentally elevated you are, it wont change the amount of force needed to break your bones or put you into a position where you get your head kicked in.

The fact that we are even having this conversation shows how complacent and delusional SIkhs have become. Either that or you're all soft headed Canadians.

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Well i'm sure it can.

We have all seen and heard about the yogis who meditate deeply and psych up their minds so as to dissacoiate from any pain perceptions and walk on fire, hot stones or lay on beds of nails....etc....

That's (almost) nothing Lucky ji. Anyone one with confident enough state of mind can do it. I have seen people do it in self-improvement seminars and retreats e.g. Tony Robbins. A bigger challenge is moving a piece of tinfoil with the mind, which takes many weeks of practice. Even harder still is moving bigger things. I have seen demonstrations by a guy who could move natural elements, ie make clouds to disperse, change the direction of air currents, cause vibrations in water. That would be even more challenging than moving a piece of tin foil. I would class Bir ras induced strength to be on this skill level. Bir ras is different than Sant Ras, in that it needs to be built up fast whereas Sant Ras builds up slowly over time. Bir ras goes down, whereas Sant ras stays built up. Sant ras is involved in moving tin foil and other things (long term) Bir ras is required to walk over fire and perform even more deadly feats (short term).

Is technique absolutely necessary? Probably not. Technique always helps though. Even when we talk about sant ras. You know the technique: relax your body and muscles, take deep breaths, say "Om", meditate on its vibration, etc. This is a technique, and it makes the task of gathering Sant ras alot easier than if tehre is no technique involved. I think bir ras might be similar in that it maybe much harder to build up without techniques.

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Bir ras pumps u up mentally. Hence the reason singhs did chande di vaar before their jangs. It is like listening to rap when working out it gets u in the mood. Things like shouts and chants used by armies have the same effect(for very small amount of time). And it gives u a spiritual goal that i have take guru sahibs sharan by reading his banni and can acomplish anything, when an army believes in a higher power that will save them they    subsequently fight better. If guru sahib can make a gunga recite geeta then why cant he make his singhs powerfull without training. Do we not have the same guru as before. We have given shahidi again and again and people that gave it fid loads of path like bhai manni singh who was reciting japji sahib when he was cut in 2 by mugals. And it doesnt look good if singhs fight, we are all brothers and sisters and should stand together and fight like our gurus instructed us to. Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh

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