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You did not get my point for mentioning all these treacheries. My argument is, Sikhs go on humiliating Hindus for just ONE issue - pro-Hindi campaign by Jalandhar's Mahasha press (two of their editor owners and around 70 staff was killed by terrorists in the black days). Why i am being made accountable for something those media barons did more than 50 years ago? If there is a logic in punishing me for the act of few hindus in 1950-60s, then i (and other Hindus) should also make you (and other Sikhs) accountable for the above-listed disgraceful acts. would such Sikhs apologise for betraying BB, for honouring Dyer, for Ala Singh's treachery, for killing lakhs of Indian freedom fighters for two rupees salaries their British masters paid them?

If I am not justifying in asking for apologies from everyday Sikhs in this age, why they cannot stop blaming me and other Hindus for the acts of few media barons?

You are correct that current so-called HP's should not be held accountable for the actions of their ancestors. However, you will be held accountable for acting as an open propaganda apologist for the injustices and Genocide meted out to the Sikhs in the 1980's and 1990's and associating Sikhs with terrorism when you know full well that Sikhi vehemently opposes terrorism targetting innocents.

You are so biased against a community which give you all ten Gurus (who never left their forefathers' faith), almost all of the Granth sahib contributors, also gave you the all important theology. Hindu punjabi siding with invaders...i have given you specific names (Ala Singh, PEPSU Sikh royals, singh sabha, harmandar sahib clergy. some members of Guru ghar also participated in this shameful. "shit they..." Hindu punjabis (and Sindhis) fought so well that the arab invaders.

None of the Guru Sahiban were Hindu. Na koi Hindu nai koiee Mussalman from Gurbani is pretty unequivocal. None of the Bhagats were Hindu or Muslim. Hindu anna, Turk (Mussalmaan) kaana by Dhan Dhan Bhagat Namdev Ji Maharaj is pretty instructive in that respect. Dhan Dhan Baba Kabir Ji Maharaj lambasted the falsehood of Islam's support for slavery, rape and various sexual philia. True souls that connect solely with God cannot be insulted by bracketing them as Hindu's or Muslims given the discriminatory, anti-human, anti-equality and anti-justice ideologies that those two large faiths Hinduism and Islam both stand for in their sacred texts.

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Why dont we talk about anti sikh violence after creation punjabi suba movement why every time Sikh have to give answers

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Violence and Opposition by Hindus

Hindu leaders and media greatly opposed the Sikh struggle and started labeling them as “traitors”. Several Hindu organizations and leaders such as RSS, Arya Samaj, Lala Jagat Narayan, Khushal Chand, Lal Chand and many others openly spoke against Sikhs and started threatening the Sikhs to stop their agitation.

The entire Hindu media started to spread false information about Sikhs and their motives behind the struggle. They were labeled as “terrorists”, “traitors” and “agents of Pakistan”. Their patriotism was questioned by the media. The government used its puppets in Congress and the police to increase its brutality against the Sikhs. On one hand, Congressman Partap Kairon and the likes were threatening to crush the movement and on the other hand the police were arresting many of the Sikh leaders and throwing them in jails without any charge or trial. This was all being done on the orders of the central government to destabilize the Sikh movement. The police had become so ruthless that peaceful protestors were beaten with sticks and fired upon by the police. Women and children were not spared. The police had greatly been influenced by the media. In Karnal, some Sikhs had gathered peacefully in support of the Sikh cause when they were fired upon by the police. Inderjit Singh, a ten year old Sikh boy, was beaten, thrown in irrigation well and killed. In other states, fate of the Sikhs was not any different. Gurdwara Sees Ganj Sahib in Delhi was surrounded by the police and about 2000 Sikhs were arrested. By 1960, 25 thousand Sikhs had been arrested and jailed. This was done to inform Sikhs that they were second class citizens in India.

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Violence and Opposition by Hindus

Hindu leaders and media greatly opposed the Sikh struggle and started labeling them as “traitors”. Several Hindu organizations and leaders such as RSS, Arya Samaj, Lala Jagat Narayan, Khushal Chand, Lal Chand and many others openly spoke against Sikhs and started threatening the Sikhs to stop their agitation.

The entire Hindu media started to spread false information about Sikhs and their motives behind the struggle. They were labeled as “terrorists”, “traitors” and “agents of Pakistan”. Their patriotism was questioned by the media. The government used its puppets in Congress and the police to increase its brutality against the Sikhs. On one hand, Congressman Partap Kairon and the likes were threatening to crush the movement and on the other hand the police were arresting many of the Sikh leaders and throwing them in jails without any charge or trial. This was all being done on the orders of the central government to destabilize the Sikh movement. The police had become so ruthless that peaceful protestors were beaten with sticks and fired upon by the police. Women and children were not spared. The police had greatly been influenced by the media. In Karnal, some Sikhs had gathered peacefully in support of the Sikh cause when they were fired upon by the police. Inderjit Singh, a ten year old Sikh boy, was beaten, thrown in irrigation well and killed. In other states, fate of the Sikhs was not any different. Gurdwara Sees Ganj Sahib in Delhi was surrounded by the police and about 2000 Sikhs were arrested. By 1960, 25 thousand Sikhs had been arrested and jailed. This was done to inform Sikhs that they were second class citizens in India.

- See more at: http://centralsikhmu...h.qZJnM7Gv.dpuf

Violence and Opposition by Hindus

Hindu leaders and media greatly opposed the Sikh struggle and started labeling them as “traitors”. Several Hindu organizations and leaders such as RSS, Arya Samaj, Lala Jagat Narayan, Khushal Chand, Lal Chand and many others openly spoke against Sikhs and started threatening the Sikhs to stop their agitation.

The entire Hindu media started to spread false information about Sikhs and their motives behind the struggle. They were labeled as “terrorists”, “traitors” and “agents of Pakistan”. Their patriotism was questioned by the media. The government used its puppets in Congress and the police to increase its brutality against the Sikhs. On one hand, Congressman Partap Kairon and the likes were threatening to crush the movement and on the other hand the police were arresting many of the Sikh leaders and throwing them in jails without any charge or trial. This was all being done on the orders of the central government to destabilize the Sikh movement. The police had become so ruthless that peaceful protestors were beaten with sticks and fired upon by the police. Women and children were not spared. The police had greatly been influenced by the media. In Karnal, some Sikhs had gathered peacefully in support of the Sikh cause when they were fired upon by the police. Inderjit Singh, a ten year old Sikh boy, was beaten, thrown in irrigation well and killed. In other states, fate of the Sikhs was not any different. Gurdwara Sees Ganj Sahib in Delhi was surrounded by the police and about 2000 Sikhs were arrested. By 1960, 25 thousand Sikhs had been arrested and jailed. This was done to inform Sikhs that they were second class citizens in India.

Hindu residents of Punjab were not any different. They held large processions in the opposition of Sikhs. Sikh properties were targeted, destroyed and burnt in Punjab. Sikhs resident places were attacked. Police was ordered not to intervene or stop the Hindu hoodlums. Seeing the inability of the police, the Hindus attacked many Sikh policemen causing injuries to several of them and death of one Sikh inspector. Toleration of the Hindu violence by the police and the government gave rise to attack on Sikh religious places. Many Gurdwaras were attacked and cigarettes were thrown in the sarowars (holy nectar). Guru Granth Sahib was ripped, burnt and disrespected in highly immoral manner. This was in direct contrast to the Hindu belief that Sikhism was a sect of Hinduism. Had there been any truth to it, Hindus would never have attacked one of their own and disrespected their own holy scriptures. In 1964, the police attacked Gurdwara Paonta Sahib in Himachal and killed many Sikhs.

Out of all the India leaders, Jawaharlal Nehru, prime minister of India, despised Sikhs the most. Sikh leaders met him on many occasions but every time he refused to listen to Sikhs and consider their demands. During the three primary meetings between the Sikh leaders and Nehru it was alleged that the demand for Punjabi State was neither beneficial to the country nor to the Hindus of Punjab.

According to Nehru, “Creating a Punjabi State is against the prosperity of the Hindus and would put Sikhs in other states in a grave danger.” (Sikh Politics of 20th Century, Ajmer Singh, Pg. 177). In the last meeting he stated,“Granting the demand for Punjabi State is out of the question.” (Punjabi Suba – The Story of Struggle, Ajit Singh Sarhaddi, Pg. 389). During the meeting in 1961 with Master Tara Singh Nehru lost his sense and threatened Sikhs by saying “Enough is enough. If you do not stop your protests, I will teach you a hard lesson that you will not forget for many generations to come.” (Sikhs in History, Sangat Singh, Pg. 306)

After all the polemics of Nehru were answered he closed the case by saying, “How can I entrust power to the enemy?”(Sikhs in History, Sangat Singh, Pg. 308)

This truly showed the real face of the Hindu leadership. The threat to the safety of Sikhs living in other Indian states was clearly given by the Indian leaders and Sikhs were called enemy of the country. Why is it that no violence or riots took place when states were reorganized in the south? Sikh demand was solely for a Punjabi speaking state not for the greater autonomy for the Sikhs. Then why only Sikhs were being threatened instead of Punjabis that included Hindus and Muslims? This was all because the government had ill intentions against the Sikhs and anything that remotely benefitted the Sikhs directly or indirectly was opposed by the government to the highest degree. On one hand, Hindus were asking for their safety in Punjab where they were never in danger in the first place but on the other hand the same Hindus were threatening Sikhs to kick them out of other states and providing no safeguards to them.

Truth or Misconception

Hindu media and opposition parties had spread many misconceptions about the Sikhs. Although their main motive was to destroy Sikhism and its roots but they were hesitant to openly admit it. Also, large Hindu population could not be won over for this reason. So they resorted to making excuses and blaming Sikhs for trying to further divide India. Hindus were given the impression that Sikhs were demanding a separate Sikh State in which Hindus will be oppressed. But this misconception was uneducated, without any concrete evidence and far from the truth. There has never been a single incident of Sikhs oppressing or being hostile to Hindus in 500 years of Sikh history. In fact, Hindus have always been on the opposing side of the Sikhs. The fact that 62% of the people in Punjab were Hindus was greatly ignored by the Hindu leaders. It was highly irrational to believe that a tiny population of less than 2% in the country could ever oppress Hindus who were majority in India as well as in Punjab. Further, they ruled the country, controlled the military, formed majority in rest of the states, government was theirs and Congress was the ruling party in Punjab. The only way Sikhs could gain political power in Punjab was if they won the majority vote which was not possible due to Hindu supporting Congress. Therefore, Sikhs could never have oppressed Hindus even if they wanted to. It is evident that such misconception was spread to cause hatred and division between Hindus and the Sikh nation. The initial demand of the Sikhs was to setup a State in which Punjabi would be the primary language irrespective of the population in it

During an interview, Fateh Singh made it clear that “We do not want a Sikh majority State. We do not care about percentage of the Sikh population. We just want a state where Punjabi would be spoken as the primary language. All areas speaking Punjabi should be included. Whether Sikhs are in majority or minority should not serve as a factor in this matter.” (Punjabi Suba – The Story of Struggle, Ajit Singh Sarhaddi, Pg. 346)

During one of the speeches, Master Tara Singh openly said, “I do not demand a separate Sikh state nor have I ever been in its favor. I simply want equality and freedom of the Sikh nation in India.” (Ibid, Pg. 319)

According to historian Ajmer Singh:

“For Hindu leaders the main factor was not whether the demand of Punjabi State was just or unjust or whether it benefits the Sikhs or not but how to destroy and eradicate the distinct identity of the Sikhs.” (Sikh Politics in 20thCentury, Ajmer Singh, Pg. 119)

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The demand for a Punjabi speaking state was constitutional and valid from every aspect. It was based on the same rules that created Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Kerala. But Hindus feared that they will not be a dominant force in the new state since Sikhs would make up 42% and will not be a minority anymore. Thus, making it more difficult for the Hindus to dominate and slowly eradicate the Sikh religion. (Tale of Blue Turban, Giani Laal Singh, 102)

Sikhs leaders and some educated Hindus had very well realized that raising misconceptions against Punjabi State was only an excuse of the fascist Hindus and Hindu media when the real fact was that they did not favor any area which would benefit Sikhs, their language (Punjabi) and safeguard their distinct identity. Indian leaders and Nehru started questioning the loyalty of the Sikhs by stating that the sole purpose of creating a Punjabi State was to divide the country and that later Sikhs would join Pakistan and endanger the unity of India. Many educated people and some journalists tried to persuade Hindu leaders to accept the demand of the Sikhs. According to them not accepting the demand would be the real threat to the unity of the country.

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Especially in Punjab, Congress and its supporters have always looked upon Sikhs as their enemy. No Indian leader has ever tried to understand the Sikh problems. Sikhs have no choice but to demand a Punjabi State. They wish to safeguard their distinct identity, language and religion. Setting up a Punjabi State is the solution to the Sikh problem. (Times of India, 15 August 1951)

It has become crystal clear that the demand for Punjabi State is being looked upon as unconstitutional and conspiracy of Pakistan by the large Hindu population. Many Indian leaders have openly admitted that establishing Punjabi State means empowering Sikhs which will endanger the unity of the country. Nehru further supported this ludicrously by saying that Sikhs may join Pakistan and pose threat to India. From these statements it means only one thing that the majority wants to keep minority as a slave. What do we learn from the Sikh history? That not a single Sikh joined the Mughals against Hindus but at many occasions Hindus joined the Mughals in exterminating the Sikhs. The fact is that we should resolve these matters with peace and harmony otherwise falsely accusing Sikhs would alienate the Sikh community which would lead to another division of the country. (Spokesman, 22 April 1951)

In my personal opinion, instead of opposing the Sikh demand, Hindus should be encouraged to adopt the Punjabi language and support the demand for Punjabi State. This would not only be the largest State in the north but also strongest and richest in India. This would solidify India’s borders and protect it from its foreign enemies. Economically, this state would largely benefit the entire country. Hindus shouldn’t oppose the Sikhs but support them otherwise they will be directly responsible for dividing the country and making a way for a separate Sikh State which can be stopped right now very easily. (Professor Om Parkash Kohal, 17 October 1951)

Despite all the efforts, Indian leaders and Hindus did not change their mentality and kept opposing the Sikhs. Seeing the opposition of the Hindus, Sikh leaders became aware that Sikh identity would not be safe unless an area consisting of Sikh majority was established. They started to raise their demand for an autonomous area for the Sikhs which was promised by the Indian leaders prior to independence. Gurcharan Singh Tohra stated, “We are separate from Hindus…We demand a State where we can safeguard our heritage and culture.” This was further supported by Master Tara Singh. He said, “Our main motive is to free Sikhs from the slavery of Hindus…We demand a state where Sikhs will have the right to self-determination.” (Sikh Politics in 20th Century, Ajmer Singh, Pg. 120).

Therefore, the demand from establishing a linguistic state was changed to establishing a Sikh state within the Indian Union where Sikhs would be the majority population.

In 1947, India was partitioned which caused largest migration of population and the worst riots in the history. More than half of Punjab was given to Pakistan and rest remained in India. Sikhs had no choice but to leave Pakistan and migrate to India. More than 2 million Sikhs were killed, property worth millions was burnt and destroyed and about 175 Gurdwaras were left behind. All of this had a great impact on the Sikh nation majority of which had been left homeless in new India where the new government did little to nothing to help them settle down. Although Sikhs had made a great sacrifice and lost major portion of their religious places and history, they were full of hope and were looking forward to finally live free way of life and exercise the right to self-determination. Unfortunately, this hope did not last long and Sikhs had to get ready for yet another long struggle with the new regime.

Unfulfilled Promises and Sikhs in New India

Prior to independence, Indian leaders had made numerous promises to the Sikhs such as setting up a state in the north part of the country where Sikhs would enjoy freedom. Three major promises were made to the Sikh nation, which were systematically broken.

1) First promise was that Congress will not pass any resolution that did not please the Sikhs.

“…in future, the Congress shall accept no constitution which does not meet with the satisfaction of the Sikhs” (The Lahore session of the Congress Party. December 31, 1929 cited in Sikh Politics, K.L. Tuteja, Pg. 168) “I ask you to accept my word and the Resolution of the Congress that it will not betray a single individual much less a community. If it ever thinks of doing so, it would only hasten to its own doom. I pray you to unbosom yourself of all doubts and apprehensions. Let God be the witness of the bond that binds me and the Congress with you (the Sikhs). I venture to suggest that the non-violence creed of the congress is the surest guarantee of good faith, and our Sikh friends have no reason to fear that it would betray them. For the moment it does so, the congress would not only thereby seal its own doom but that of the country too. (M. K. Gandhi, Communal Unity, pg. 165-167)

The congress assures Sikhs that no solution in any future constitution will be acceptable to the congress that does not give them full satisfaction. (Indian constitution documents, Vol. 11, By A. C. Banerjee)

After 1947, this promise was not kept. On October 10, 1947 Sikhs were branded as “lawless people”, called upon to forget about their distinct appearance and submit themselves under Hindu laws.

The Sikhs are a lawless people and a menace to the law abiding Hindus … The [Government] should take strict measures against them.” (Pandit Nehru, Indian Prime Minister)

Furthermore, Article 25 was added in the constitution specifically stating that Sikhism was a sect of Hinduism. No Sikh approved the constitution but regardless it was adopted by the Indian government.

2) Second promise was made to setup a state in the north where Sikhs would have the right to self-determination.

The main purpose of creating linguistic states is that the culture, language and script of minority of the linguistic area shall be protected. (Resolution passed by Congress in Calcultta, 1937)

Redistribution of provincial boundaries is essential and inevitable. I stand for same autonomous unit as well. If Sikh desire to function as such a unit, I should like them to have a same autonomous in the province so that they may have a sense of freedom. (Jawaharlal Nehru, 1945)

“…the brave Sikhs of Punjab are entitled to special considerations. I see nothing wrong in an area set up in the North of India wherein, the Sikhs can also experience the glow of freedom.” (Jawahar Lal Nehru, Lahore Bulletin, January 9, 1930)

Indian leaders not only backed out on this promise but regarded this demand as a threat to the unity of the country.

The congress found itself in a dilemma, to concede to Akali demand would mean abandoning a position to which it was firmly committed and letting down its Hindu supporters in the Punjabi Suba. The merits were no consideration, as the policy of the Congress, as enunciated in 1949 by Jawahar Lal, Vallabh Bhai and Patta Bhai Sitaramayyia had been not to concede reorganization of North India whatever the merit of such a proposal might be. (My Truth, Indira Gandhi, 117)

I can afford civil war in the country but not Punjabi State. (Jawaharlal Nehru)

We are aware that Sikhs have suffered greatly before and after 1947 but we have come to the conclusion that granting them any special rights such as an autonomous area is not reasonable. (Sikh Politics of 20th Century, Ajmer Singh, Pg. 144)

Creating a Punjabi linguistic state meant prospering of the Sikh nation which no Indian leader let alone a Hindu approved of.

3) The third promise was made to provide security and safeguarding minorities.

Adequate safeguards would be provided for monitories —- it was a declaration, a pledge and an understanding before the world, a contract with millions of Indians, and therefore, in the nature of an oath, which we must keep. (Framing of Indian Constitution, B. Shiva Rao, Pg 181)

In the divided Indian Punjab, special constitutional measures are imperative to meet the aspirations and rights of the Sikhs. (Legislative Assembly, 1947)

This promise was forgotten just like the above two. Instead, statements were released to make India a Hindu country where minorities will have to either live as second class citizens or merge themselves in the Hindu majority.

According to Mahaveer Tyagi, “We do not believe in kicking the minority groups out of the country. Instead, our desire is to change their religion and convert them all to Hinduism.” (Sikhs in History, Sangat Singh, Pg. 249)

I do not like the word “minority” (Aeengar)

When Pakistan was created at the time of partition it became crystal clear that there remained only one community (Hindus) in India. (Vallabh Bhai Patel)

When the British left, no promise was kept by the Indian leaders.

The Sikhs felt that since they had made more sacrifices for independence than other communities and had suffered a great deal during partition, the Congress would consider their demands sincerely and grant them special rights as promised by the Indian leaders. But, the Congress acted the opposite, ignored all the promises and turned against the Sikhs……Sikhs were insulted by the media and opposed by the Hindu community. Hindus started discriminating against Sikhs and abandoned Punjabi. (Tale of Blue Turban, Giani Laal Singh, 100)

The so-called democracy only existed in papers and was never put into practice. The Sikh nation felt agitated, uncomfortable and trapped in the chains of new slavery. This further solidified their doubts when they started to face discrimination at the hands of the government and Hindu public. From 72% to 96% high government jobs were occupied by the Hindu majority in Punjab. The army enlistment became dependent upon population instead of merit. This decreased Sikh enlistment from 40% to 1.2%. The situation of Sikhs in Punjab is very well described by Dr. Harjinder Singh Dilgeer:

Hindus had started to make insulting jokes on Sikhs, discriminate against them in every profession and attack innocent Sikhs on numerous occasions. Especially in the cities of Punjab, it had become extremely difficult for Sikhs to live a peaceful life. (Punjabi Suba Morcha, Dr Harjinder Singh Dilgeer, Pg. 6)

Violence of Hindus had increased significantly in Punjab so much so that they attacked Sikh procession held in the memory of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Stones and home made acid bombs were thrown at the procession causing injury to several Sikhs. Seeing all of this, the police took no action and let the perpetrators run free. This further enraged the Sikh community.

The Indian government had also reorganized the states on languages basis in the south. Kerala, Tamil and other states had been created on language basis but nothing was done in the north. Sikhs felt betrayed and raised their demand for setting up a Punjabi State in which Punjabi language would serve as the primary language of the state and Sikhs would have an autonomous area. This demand led to the struggle for Punjabi State.

Struggle Begins

- See more at: http://centralsikhmu...h.qZJnM7Gv.dpuf

In 1947, India was partitioned which caused largest migration of population and the worst riots in the history. More than half of Punjab was given to Pakistan and rest remained in India. Sikhs had no choice but to leave Pakistan and migrate to India. More than 2 million Sikhs were killed, property worth millions was burnt and destroyed and about 175 Gurdwaras were left behind. All of this had a great impact on the Sikh nation majority of which had been left homeless in new India where the new government did little to nothing to help them settle down. Although Sikhs had made a great sacrifice and lost major portion of their religious places and history, they were full of hope and were looking forward to finally live free way of life and exercise the right to self-determination. Unfortunately, this hope did not last long and Sikhs had to get ready for yet another long struggle with the new regime.

Unfulfilled Promises and Sikhs in New India

Prior to independence, Indian leaders had made numerous promises to the Sikhs such as setting up a state in the north part of the country where Sikhs would enjoy freedom. Three major promises were made to the Sikh nation, which were systematically broken.

1) First promise was that Congress will not pass any resolution that did not please the Sikhs.

“…in future, the Congress shall accept no constitution which does not meet with the satisfaction of the Sikhs” (The Lahore session of the Congress Party. December 31, 1929 cited in Sikh Politics, K.L. Tuteja, Pg. 168) “I ask you to accept my word and the Resolution of the Congress that it will not betray a single individual much less a community. If it ever thinks of doing so, it would only hasten to its own doom. I pray you to unbosom yourself of all doubts and apprehensions. Let God be the witness of the bond that binds me and the Congress with you (the Sikhs). I venture to suggest that the non-violence creed of the congress is the surest guarantee of good faith, and our Sikh friends have no reason to fear that it would betray them. For the moment it does so, the congress would not only thereby seal its own doom but that of the country too. (M. K. Gandhi, Communal Unity, pg. 165-167)

The congress assures Sikhs that no solution in any future constitution will be acceptable to the congress that does not give them full satisfaction. (Indian constitution documents, Vol. 11, By A. C. Banerjee)

After 1947, this promise was not kept. On October 10, 1947 Sikhs were branded as “lawless people”, called upon to forget about their distinct appearance and submit themselves under Hindu laws.

The Sikhs are a lawless people and a menace to the law abiding Hindus … The [Government] should take strict measures against them.” (Pandit Nehru, Indian Prime Minister)

Furthermore, Article 25 was added in the constitution specifically stating that Sikhism was a sect of Hinduism. No Sikh approved the constitution but regardless it was adopted by the Indian government.

2) Second promise was made to setup a state in the north where Sikhs would have the right to self-determination.

The main purpose of creating linguistic states is that the culture, language and script of minority of the linguistic area shall be protected. (Resolution passed by Congress in Calcultta, 1937)

Redistribution of provincial boundaries is essential and inevitable. I stand for same autonomous unit as well. If Sikh desire to function as such a unit, I should like them to have a same autonomous in the province so that they may have a sense of freedom. (Jawaharlal Nehru, 1945)

“…the brave Sikhs of Punjab are entitled to special considerations. I see nothing wrong in an area set up in the North of India wherein, the Sikhs can also experience the glow of freedom.” (Jawahar Lal Nehru, Lahore Bulletin, January 9, 1930)

Indian leaders not only backed out on this promise but regarded this demand as a threat to the unity of the country.

The congress found itself in a dilemma, to concede to Akali demand would mean abandoning a position to which it was firmly committed and letting down its Hindu supporters in the Punjabi Suba. The merits were no consideration, as the policy of the Congress, as enunciated in 1949 by Jawahar Lal, Vallabh Bhai and Patta Bhai Sitaramayyia had been not to concede reorganization of North India whatever the merit of such a proposal might be. (My Truth, Indira Gandhi, 117)

I can afford civil war in the country but not Punjabi State. (Jawaharlal Nehru)

We are aware that Sikhs have suffered greatly before and after 1947 but we have come to the conclusion that granting them any special rights such as an autonomous area is not reasonable. (Sikh Politics of 20th Century, Ajmer Singh, Pg. 144)

Creating a Punjabi linguistic state meant prospering of the Sikh nation which no Indian leader let alone a Hindu approved of.

3) The third promise was made to provide security and safeguarding minorities.

Adequate safeguards would be provided for monitories —- it was a declaration, a pledge and an understanding before the world, a contract with millions of Indians, and therefore, in the nature of an oath, which we must keep. (Framing of Indian Constitution, B. Shiva Rao, Pg 181)

In the divided Indian Punjab, special constitutional measures are imperative to meet the aspirations and rights of the Sikhs. (Legislative Assembly, 1947)

This promise was forgotten just like the above two. Instead, statements were released to make India a Hindu country where minorities will have to either live as second class citizens or merge themselves in the Hindu majority.

According to Mahaveer Tyagi, “We do not believe in kicking the minority groups out of the country. Instead, our desire is to change their religion and convert them all to Hinduism.” (Sikhs in History, Sangat Singh, Pg. 249)

I do not like the word “minority” (Aeengar)

When Pakistan was created at the time of partition it became crystal clear that there remained only one community (Hindus) in India. (Vallabh Bhai Patel)

When the British left, no promise was kept by the Indian leaders.

The Sikhs felt that since they had made more sacrifices for independence than other communities and had suffered a great deal during partition, the Congress would consider their demands sincerely and grant them special rights as promised by the Indian leaders. But, the Congress acted the opposite, ignored all the promises and turned against the Sikhs……Sikhs were insulted by the media and opposed by the Hindu community. Hindus started discriminating against Sikhs and abandoned Punjabi. (Tale of Blue Turban, Giani Laal Singh, 100)

The so-called democracy only existed in papers and was never put into practice. The Sikh nation felt agitated, uncomfortable and trapped in the chains of new slavery. This further solidified their doubts when they started to face discrimination at the hands of the government and Hindu public. From 72% to 96% high government jobs were occupied by the Hindu majority in Punjab. The army enlistment became dependent upon population instead of merit. This decreased Sikh enlistment from 40% to 1.2%. The situation of Sikhs in Punjab is very well described by Dr. Harjinder Singh Dilgeer:

Hindus had started to make insulting jokes on Sikhs, discriminate against them in every profession and attack innocent Sikhs on numerous occasions. Especially in the cities of Punjab, it had become extremely difficult for Sikhs to live a peaceful life. (Punjabi Suba Morcha, Dr Harjinder Singh Dilgeer, Pg. 6)

Violence of Hindus had increased significantly in Punjab so much so that they attacked Sikh procession held in the memory of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Stones and home made acid bombs were thrown at the procession causing injury to several Sikhs. Seeing all of this, the police took no action and let the perpetrators run free. This further enraged the Sikh community.

The Indian government had also reorganized the states on languages basis in the south. Kerala, Tamil and other states had been created on language basis but nothing was done in the north. Sikhs felt betrayed and raised their demand for setting up a Punjabi State in which Punjabi language would serve as the primary language of the state and Sikhs would have an autonomous area. This demand led to the struggle for Punjabi State.

Struggle Begins

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When the decision to create Punjabi suba was announced, the Hindus in Delhi attacked the Sis Ganj Gurdwara. The sewadars beat back the attackers and the newpaper reports of the time state that two Hindus were killed by swords and spears during the attack,

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The best way for the two communities to reconcile is for us as Sikhs not to see one billion so-called Hindu's as a monolith block of supposed opponents but as mainly being sehajdhari Sikhs if only we could better explain what Sikhi stands for to them (even if they mainly stay in sehajdhari form).

Sikhi stands for Sarbat Da Bhala, Kirat Karo, Vand Chhako, Naam Japo.

If the majority of so-called Hindu's (as deliberately defined by the small but powerful minority of Hindutva forces) cannot be open-mindedly encouraged to agree with Sikhi's aims and objectives then there is something seriously lacking in our parchaar and perhaps the close-mindedness (parochialism) of our vision.

99% of Punjab's so-called indigenous Hindu's are in fact sehajdhari Sikhs who will naturally gravitate away from Ganesh and Hanuman in time to bow once more before Guru Sahib if we encourage them with an open heart (rather than wrongly thinking of them as non-Sikhs since 1950 as the Hindutva agenda wishes us to see normal so-called HP's as).

Every time we label Hindu's as some kind of monolith block our real Hindutva opponents clap their hands in glee at us losing a population pool from which the Sikh Panth could be immeasurably strengthened to fight for Sarbat Da Bhala and the betterment of all innocent people's lives.

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99% of Punjab's so-called indigenous Hindu's are in fact sehajdhari Sikhs who will naturally gravitate away from Ganesh and Hanuman in time to bow once more before Guru Sahib if we encourage them with an open heart (rather than wrongly thinking of them as non-Sikhs since 1950 as the Hindutva agenda wishes us to see normal so-called HP's as).

This is interesting. what if some Arya Samaj, Sanatani or Muslim missionary gang also try to do parchar to the so-called Sikhs in Punjab and elsewhere? what if the keshdharis want to gravitate towards some other faith or simply back to Ganesh and Hanuman? would you accept such movement with "an open heart" or react the way neo Tat Khalsa extremists do i.e. persecute every other faith in Punjab? what would you call such poaching? After all, from the other side of the fence, you look like nothing but keshdhari Hindus.

Every time we label Hindu's as some kind of monolith block our real Hindutva opponents clap their hands in glee at us losing a population pool from which the Sikh Panth could be immeasurably strengthened to fight for Sarbat Da Bhala and the betterment of all innocent people's lives.

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When the decision to create Punjabi suba was announced, the Hindus in Delhi attacked the Sis Ganj Gurdwara. The sewadars beat back the attackers and the newpaper reports of the time state that two Hindus were killed by swords and spears during the attack,

http://news.google.c...&dq=sikhs&hl=en

That's right, that's exactly what happens when a pack of hyenas attacks a few lions.

The same thing happened when the Sikhs had liberated Panja Sahib from the Mahant Pujaris during the Akali movement. When it was liberated, a few Akalis had remained for administrative purposes. When the local Pothohari Hindu population saw that the vast body of the Akalis had left, they decided to form a large mob and attack the Gurdwara and the few remaining Akalis within it and reinstate the Pujaris. Before they could come near the Gurdwara they were stopped by the police the officer was a local Muslim. The Hindu mob armed with Lathis was saying all sorts of brave words and challenging the Singhs in the Gurdwara. Seeing this then the Singhs too asked the Muslim officer to let these Hindus through so they can show how brave they are. The Muslim officer too wanted to see what the Hindus were capable of. As soon as the Muslim officer backed off, the handful of Singhs armed with Lathis roared with Jaikaras charged the big Hindu mob. Suffice to say the hyenas could not stand in in front of the Singhs and ran away.

Proves that if Singhs live in accordance with Guru Jee's hukam of being Tyar Bar Tyar, they are safe.

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Jonny, why do your comments wreak of anti-Hindu sentiment? We might as well be OK with people in my pind blaming our whole kom for Badal taking over his jameen with his gang of fake nihangs. Until you stop saying shit like "Hindu mob" or "local Hindu population" no one is going to stop looking at us as bigots and terrorists.

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He singles out a whole community and you say hes unbiased? Tomorrow when Badal's gang of 40 people fight another Gang, we should be OK with the media saying: "A mob of Sikhs attacked so and so". Then when we complaint about being labelled negatively, no one will listen to us. Its ok I guess for people who stay within a small desi circle in a desi society. For instance, in Brampton, Ontario, Canada, you can get away with making foolish statements like the one at hand, and no one will argue with you. The moment our pseudo scholars go down to Toronto or other cities' universities, they shut up and act like racism is holding them back... If you cant see the bigotry and the flaw of making blanket statements against whole communities, you will never be ready to engage people effectively. We have to move away from the typical backward desi rhetoric of "the Hindus did this to us". Everytime Sikhs come out and try to say 84 riots were not religion based, statements like Jonny's take us back 5 steps.

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Jonny, why do your comments wreak of anti-Hindu sentiment? We might as well be OK with people in my pind blaming our whole kom for Badal taking over his jameen with his gang of fake nihangs. Until you stop saying shit like "Hindu mob" or "local Hindu population" no one is going to stop looking at us as bigots and terrorists.

When did I make anti Hindu comments? I have never criticized their religion. But if a group of people for the last century or so is attacking and opposing Sikhs for no reason, you are saying these repeat offenders should not even be mentioned by name. If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck and quacks like a duck, then obviously I'm going to call it a duck. I would also like to make it clear that not all Hindus are opposed to the Sikhs. It is mainly Punjabi Hindus and among the Punjabi Hindus it is those ones who are under the evil influence of the Arya Samaj. Before the Arya Samaj movement gained ground in Punjab, the Hindus never had a problem with the Sikhs. But since this evil demonic movement came to Punjab they have done nothing but lit the fire of communal tension between these two communities.

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Your comments always included phrases like "the hindus" and what not. Be sure to make the distinction between normal Hindus who dont know anything about anything and are indifferent to politics as all normal people, from the likes of the Arya Samaj, RSS etc. I know you have made this distinction with this post but you have to make it a habit so we don't seem like bigots. I know Sardar Kapur Singh says in the video you posted that saying things like "Hindu-Sikh bhai" actually evinces weakness, but I still believe that we only chant such slogans because we are a loving people. Nevertheless, as Sikhs we have to work with people and becoming defensive and offensive when pushed into a corner like we are is natural but we should also be careful what we say so we dont allow the opposition to use a few quotes to try to justify their oppressive acts. Our slightest mistakes always cost us great international support and recognition.

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When did I make anti Hindu comments? I have never criticized their religion. But if a group of people for the last century or so is attacking and opposing Sikhs for no reason, you are saying these repeat offenders should not even be mentioned by name. If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck and quacks like a duck, then obviously I'm going to call it a duck. I would also like to make it clear that not all Hindus are opposed to the Sikhs. It is mainly Punjabi Hindus and among the Punjabi Hindus it is those ones who are under the evil influence of the Arya Samaj. Before the Arya Samaj movement gained ground in Punjab, the Hindus never had a problem with the Sikhs. But since this evil demonic movement came to Punjab they have done nothing but lit the fire of communal tension between these two communities.

that the Guru's never left the hindu faith.

How do we know someone's religion? Easy, which rites they follow when getting married or at their funeral. All of the Gurus (including Baba Nanak) were married acc the Hindu rites, to Hindu girls and were cremated acc to the Hindu rites. All Gurus talked of Hindus and Muslims, never of Sikhs as the third 'religion'. Not one place in any Sikh Granth you would find the words "Sikh" and "Dharam" together.

Guru Nanak, Hindu ka Guru, Muslim ka peer. Sikhs no where. At his funeral, according to the lore, Hindus and Muslims quarreled over the funeral rites. where were the 'Sikhs'?

Gurus, whether you like it or not, lived like any khatri male of their age wearing topis and tilaks.

Guru Gobind Singhji approached a Hindu (Banda bahadur) to carry on his campaign against the Muslim tormentors. why not a Khalsa if there was a such a well-defined separation between the two faiths?

10th Guru sahib also drew his genealogy right back to Sri Ram, calling himself a Raghuvanshi (bachittar Natak Dasam Granth). DG also claims 'Ram Katha jug jug atal". DG is imo nothing but a pure Hindu granth.

Gurus did not leave Hindu faith but today Sikhism is a separate religion and I have absolutely no problem with that. You guys want to have a separate religion, complete agreement. Ravidassis or Jains want to be known as separate religions today, no problem with them too.

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Jonnys comments are one of the most unbiased and impartial on this forum I cant say the same for you....

what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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That's right, that's exactly what happens when a pack of hyenas attacks a few lions.

The same thing happened when the Sikhs had liberated Panja Sahib from the Mahant Pujaris during the Akali movement. When it was liberated, a few Akalis had remained for administrative purposes. When the local Pothohari Hindu population saw that the vast body of the Akalis had left, they decided to form a large mob and attack the Gurdwara and the few remaining Akalis within it and reinstate the Pujaris. Before they could come near the Gurdwara they were stopped by the police the officer was a local Muslim. The Hindu mob armed with Lathis was saying all sorts of brave words and challenging the Singhs in the Gurdwara. Seeing this then the Singhs too asked the Muslim officer to let these Hindus through so they can show how brave they are. The Muslim officer too wanted to see what the Hindus were capable of. As soon as the Muslim officer backed off, the handful of Singhs armed with Lathis roared with Jaikaras charged the big Hindu mob. Suffice to say the hyenas could not stand in in front of the Singhs and ran away.

Proves that if Singhs live in accordance with Guru Jee's hukam of being Tyar Bar Tyar, they are safe.

In the battles of mobs, there would be one winner. if you are celebrating the killing of Hindus by Sikh mobs (just a few incidents in the past century, never before that), what can i say? I would not like to remind you about the tragic events when armed Sikh mobs have faced stiff resistance and were made to flee or butchered. The latest incident was in Doaba when unarmed ravidassis made heavily armed, tyar bar tyar nihangs flee few years back when the Ravs removed khandas and Granth sahib from one of their temples.

i condemn those hindus who lynched sword wielding sikhs in haryana or punjab in some of the clashes these sister communities have ever witnessed.

you are shallow Jonny

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Why not, if there's a level playing field? Sikhi has nothing to fear from those theologists that believe in Ganesh and Hanuman nor those that believe in a slaveowner and peadophile from Mecca. Taksal and Nihangs are about as Sanatani as they come in my eyes and I don't have a problem with them doing their own thing. Each to their own. Where we disagree, let's debate it and let the truth prevail. However, the purchase of poor souls into a faith by financial means is disgusting and i consider that to be below the belt.

I'm absolutely confident that if 1000million babies were raised to have equal academic knowledge of Sikhi, Islam and Hinduism then 90% of the children would choose Sikhi as their natural faith, the one they gravitate towards and agree with deep within their heart.

Sure you'd get the odd person who would think that slavery and peadophilia is all rather cool and divine and perhaps monkeys and elephants would hold some enchantment for children ... but as adults I would be pretty sure that Gurmat as an ideology compared to Hanuman or Sharia would connect with more souls intellectually rather than the opposite way round.

Sikhi doesn't need protection - it just needs more exposure to non-Punjabi masses. Instead of the ridiculous concept (that some believe in) of Hinduism supposedly swallowing Sikhi ... the reality is that the Truth of Sikhi can make most so-called Hindu's realise that they actually have more faith in Sikhi than monkeys and elephant gods or much of what is in Manu Smriti relating to caste discrimination.

And that's why the enemies of Sikhs want us to blanketly hate all Hindu's ... so that we cannot communicate the Truth to their political base ... we need to rise above that ... and make all brothers and sisters in other non-Punjabi speaking states realise that Sikhi is in fact their natural faith and the Truth which merely wishes for Sarbat Da Bhala (the welfare of all).

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How do we know someone's religion? Easy, which rites they follow when getting married or at their funeral. All of the Gurus (including Baba Nanak) were married acc the Hindu rites, to Hindu girls and were cremated acc to the Hindu rites. All Gurus talked of Hindus and Muslims, never of Sikhs as the third 'religion'. Not one place in any Sikh Granth you would find the words "Sikh" and "Dharam" together.

Guru Nanak, Hindu ka Guru, Muslim ka peer. Sikhs no where. At his funeral, according to the lore, Hindus and Muslims quarreled over the funeral rites. where were the 'Sikhs'?

Gurus, whether you like it or not, lived like any khatri male of their age wearing topis and tilaks.

Guru Gobind Singhji approached a Hindu (Banda bahadur) to carry on his campaign against the Muslim tormentors. why not a Khalsa if there was a such a well-defined separation between the two faiths?

10th Guru sahib also drew his genealogy right back to Sri Ram, calling himself a Raghuvanshi (bachittar Natak Dasam Granth). DG also claims 'Ram Katha jug jug atal". DG is imo nothing but a pure Hindu granth.

Gurus did not leave Hindu faith but today Sikhism is a separate religion and I have absolutely no problem with that. You guys want to have a separate religion, complete agreement. Ravidassis or Jains want to be known as separate religions today, no problem with them too.

If you believe this then that's up to you. But from your post, you believe Sikhs and Hindus were/are one community, if that's the case then why do Punjabi Hindus for the last century always oppose the Sikhs? The only time the Hindus did not oppose the Sikhs was during partition in which they all stood behind Master Tara Singh, and look because of this unity we got almost half of the old Punjab instead of it all going to Pakistan . But as soon as partition happened Punjabi Hindus again began to oppose the Sikhs on every issue and the result Punjab gets further divided, Punjabi river waters unfairly go to non riparian states, Chandigarh is not even our own anymore and eventually the whole mess of the 80s. Arya Samaj and it's thinking has done a lot of damage to the Hindu Sikh relations. The sooner Punjabi Hindus ditch Arya Samaj and again gravitate towards Sikhi the better.

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the same bullshit, over and over.

what can we expect from him. He just repeats the same thing over and over again. It's one thing if a person is here for a genuine dialogue and to learn about Sikhi, but he is just here to spread anti Sikh propaganda and to distort Sikhi. Only a certain section of Punjabi Hindus do this type of stuff. And then they wonder why Sikhs react the way they do when Shararati people like him try to mess around with our religion.

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the same bullshit, over and over.

I think it would have sounded more civilised had you asked for some evidence or given yours to counter my assertion.

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I have already given up on Sher, and I think I am going to have to give up on Jonny too. You must be extremely retarded to think that Hindus are one big homogenous group. To even that that Punjabi Hindus are Arya Samaji or RSS is stupid. To think that all Hindus are Congressiyay is stupid. Jonny, you better wake up. Your embarrassing. I hope you dont ever meet educated people. Imagine how embarrassing it would be if you spoke for us at prominent think tanks. Your rhetoric is what got us labelled as fanatics and extremists in the first place. I dont know about you but most Hindus in Punjab are uneducated normal people who dont know that the Congress and BJP are the same economically, and hence socially. Your blaming the victim. But I guess with your retarded logic, its OK to blame our kids who take Heroin and Cocaine on a regular basis. We should just blame them for their lack of knowledge too. And we should be OK with getting blamed for putting the Badals in power and for being their vote bank.. Imagine your retarded rhetoric coming from the other side. Your pissing me off to a violent extent. We need to a put a muzzle on you. I guess you seek consolation from Sant Bhindranwaleji and justify your speech by referring to his... talk about Hindus as a whole and get mad when Hindus talk about us as a whole... great logic. Wake up buddy. I dont care about Sher as much. Hes Hindu. If he says somethign bad about us and our beliefs hell look bad, not us. The moment you start becoming the spokesperson for Sikhs by making blanket statements, which mostly seem to be endorsed, is the moment we all look bad.

Until we put a muzzle on jonny, we might as well forget about reconciliation and our "peaceful" image.

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JungChamkaurJi, Jonny here is clean.

I have been a vivid reader on some of the topics here for some time so can say that Jonny is stating things straight out. I think we can agree that all Sikhs invariably have Hindu (Punjabi) at least as friends, some even family members. Also when he or anyone here refers Hindus, we all know that would be more of a political reference to a select few Hindus. When we read we understand that he does not mean the collective Hindus. When we(Sikhs) believe in one human race, how can we not also believe in Hindus. A teaching so fundmental to all Sikhs.

Coming to Sher, he is a sorry soul. Few here have tried to liberate him of his misery. Maybe you can put some sense in him. He is here to be "mukt". He is trying to dump his hate backed views here so that he can justify to himself (not sure what). He is digging into history and using historical theology (read through his colorfully clouded goggles) to make statements,sometime trying in a spiritual context. Fool he is.

Contrary to what anyone belives, the world knows that Sikh image is that of a peace loving people. But such is the Sikh history that we need to "fight" for "peace". Also I think it's just our attitude (Jattitude rather and I am saying this more like a general Sikh profile/mentality) that seem to rub people on the wrong side. And that will remain since we (meaning SIKHS) choose the path of rightousness shown by our Gurus. Fail we may, but we know how to get up and keep going.

Strange that we have fought most of the wars with Mugals and and find it important to reconcile with Hindus now. I think we should focus on reconciling with ourselves first (get on the gurmat path) and whoever feels the need for reconcilition, come to us.

Chardi Kala!

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JangChamkaur, again reread my post, where did I condemn all Hindus? neither have I belittled or distorted their religion. I have made it clear that when I say Hindus I mean only a certain section of Hindus who have made it an agenda to oppose the Sikhs on every issue for the last century. I'm surprised and shocked that someone could interpret my posts as being "anti Hindu". You make the same mistake as Sher does which is, you interpret being pro Sikhi as being anti Hindu. He does it due to his Dheetpuna, and you do because of your being an uninformed leftist.

Thing is, at least Sher is informed about the issues, so when me and him have a dialogue with each other we both know what we're talking about. But you on the other hand have no idea about the issues being discussed in historical context and then you pass a judgement on me. That's the problem with uninformed lefties.

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So as long as you use the term "Hindu" to refer to the "bad type" of Hindus, its ok? I guess I should just avoid trying to edit your comments. As far as your claim goes that I dont knkw much about the issues at hand, your right to a certain extent. There are a lot of things I dont know but there are many that I do. And I know one thing for sure that our kom is behind because of rhetoric and discourses that facilitate prejudice. Our kom is goin nowhere... We have professors at great universities and non Sikh profs and doctors who are giving us credibility and your idea of labelling the bad hindus as "hindus" makes us look stupid... Simply put. What normal desis get is the idea that its all hindus and its ok to make such remarks. Then we get cast similarly to arabs who are made out to hate all jews and make statements like yours. "When I say jew im talking about the bad jews otherwise jews are ok, and as i wa saying these jews hate muslims and want to kill us all and are destroyig our religion!"... Just say rss and arya samaj or whatever instead of saying hindu and giving the term your own definition to make it easier for yourself. And how would I see pro Sikhi as anti Hindu lmao. I just think our kom has had enough of these illiterate pindu discourses.

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