India’S Government Blocks Release Of Film About Sikh Assassins Who Killed Prime Minister Indira Gandhi

[BhagatSingh]

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2014/08/22/indias-government-blocks-release-of-film-about-sikh-assassins-who-killed-prime-minister-indira-gandhi

[dalsingh101]

That actually looks like a Panjabi film I would want to watch.

I just pray they don't have singing in it......

[amar_jkp]

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2014/08/22/indias-government-blocks-release-of-film-about-sikh-assassins-who-killed-prime-minister-indira-gandhi

What u expected from Hindu Sthan ?

[amar_jkp]

I want to see movies on Sardar Kapur Singh and Master Singh.

[dalsingh101]

I want to see movies on the Ghadur movement.

[chatanga1]

what would you expect from backstabbers who have nothing but the negative views about India.

Negative views based on history and fact. That doesnt make us backstabbers either, it makes us human.

[dalsingh101]

or backstabbing 1857 revolutionaries

Those mfs had that coming with the way they helped goray attack the Sikh kingdom a few years earlier. Not that that excuses the rampant bhund licking that transpired afterwards from 'rural' quarters.

film-makers dont give a damn about peace in punjab. imagine hindus honoring Tytlers, Sajjan Kumars, Nathuram Godse and Babu Bajrangis.

Like they weren't going to make a film about Indira Gandhi starring Madhuri Dixit.

Edited August 25, 2014 by dalsingh101

[chatanga1]

which history and facts your are talking about? kissing gora feet or backstabbing 1857 revolutionaries or honouring Jallianwala Bagh butchers (making Gen Dyer a hon. Sikh) or trifurcating Punjab to grab power? Such films are nothing but attempts to make money by ruthless expolitation of sentiments. film-makers dont give a damn about peace in punjab. imagine hindus honoring Tytlers, Sajjan Kumars, Nathuram Godse and Babu Bajrangis..

I worry about you sometimes. You have learned nothing on this forum, and I would be so forward to say, that you are incapable of learning.

[dalsingh101]

dalsingh you are capable of analysing a particular episode of history in a much better manner

You're not.

Truth is that EVERYONE seems to be abusing history to try and highlight positives in their own faction and negatives in the others. You must be a simpleton if you think that all the poorbia sepoys were disciplined and moral when attacking the Sikh empire. On the flip side I've read a fair few contemporary accounts which tell about the disgusting treatment of poorbia soldiers by the British who would casually kill them for the slightest things or even for amusement during the campaign. But these fools still helped fight against the last independent empire in India.

Regarding the marauding by Sikh soldiers afterwards. That's nothing surprising in my opinion. The best and most devoted Sikhs probably sacrificed themselves earlier in the war with the Afghans and whites (with your beloved sepoys). I would guess that that left a lot of greedy peasant types who appear to specialise in that type of shit. Plus the Anglo-Sikh wars would've hit the soldier's pockets hard! Revenge would also be a motive.

You also need to stop imposing the modern conception of 'India' onto the past as well - people didn't see themselves that way back then - simples.

As far as making film on Indira Gandhi is concerned, why not? She was democratically elected leader of this country. what's wrong with it?

She played no small part in fostering the communal politics in Panjab that led to her demise. If you see no problem with a film being made about her; I don't see any problem about a film being made about Satwant and Beant Singh either.

I'm sure you'd be fine with films about Udham Singh, Bhagat Singh, Kartar Singh Sarabha etc.

One person's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter - wake up.

[chatanga1]

in my opinion, she is highly misunderstood vis-a-vis her relations with (or treatment of) sikhs.

are you capable of understanding?

No, I didn't think so.

[amar_jkp]

which history and facts your are talking about? kissing gora feet or backstabbing 1857 revolutionaries or honouring Jallianwala Bagh butchers (making Gen Dyer a hon. Sikh) or trifurcating Punjab to grab power? Such films are nothing but attempts to make money by ruthless expolitation of sentiments. film-makers dont give a damn about peace in punjab. imagine hindus honoring Tytlers, Sajjan Kumars, Nathuram Godse and Babu Bajrangis..

We have so many times discuss the 1857 bullshit but Hindu Jihadi will not understand after all Hindu is Anna . Who is stopping you to make movie on Godse ? Hindu have many times honored Sajjan and Tytler by giving them votes .

As far i know there is movie or Drama on Nathu ram called Me Nathuram Godse Boltoy (Natak). What about Savarkar ? Why you people has his Photo is parliament ? What he has done ? He was the first racist Hindu scum who wanted to kill minorities ?

Do you Hindus believe Indira Gandhi to be your demi god or something ?

[chatanga1]

War with Afghans - not many Sikhs died as those were more of skirmishes or minor battles which hardly find mention in the list of famous battles. The fall of Ranjit singh's empire would have definitely hurt 1000s who joined the Brits as mercenary a role they played v well till their fair-skinned masters left india in 1947.

Just because many Sikhs did not die, it doesnt mean that thousands didnt die. The Sikhs showed their prowess on occasions while decimating enemy forces.

[amar_jkp]

face the TRUTH my friend. Khalsas (excluding Anglo-Sikh wars and mercenaries fighting for diff paymasters) were never involved in a battle which would find a mention among the most famous. they did not fight one single invader on the battlefield even though Punjab faced the highest number of invasions from among the indian states. No battle with Abdali, nadir shah, etc.

Forget the invaders, the Khalsas were not involved in any battle which is included in the famous Indian battles exp Anglo-Sikh wars which they, as we know, LOST. Come out of the well, stop being a khoo da dadoo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_battles

Just because battles not mention doesn't mean Sikhs never fought any battles . 1857 was never a freedom movement and India was never a Single country , accept it .

[chatanga1]

they did not fight one single invader on the battlefield

what about taking the fight to the invaders? does that count as a Sikh battle?

[BhagatSingh]

face the TRUTH my friend. Khalsas (excluding Anglo-Sikh wars and mercenaries fighting for diff paymasters) were never involved in a battle which would find a mention among the most famous. they did not fight one single invader on the battlefield even though Punjab faced the highest number of invasions from among the indian states. No battle with Abdali, nadir shah, etc.

Forget the invaders, the Khalsas were not involved in any battle which is included in the famous Indian battles exp Anglo-Sikh wars which they, as we know, LOST. Come out of the well, stop being a khoo da dadoo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_battles

You lost me. What is considered "famous"? And why is that important?

and what is considered "battle"?

Lol what are you talking about in this post?

[BhagatSingh]

"famous" battles are where emperors, generals of a large army take on an adversary of their size or importance. Why I wrote the quoted comment is because of the supremacist attitude of those who would like you to believe that Hindu dharma/religion/faith was saved from extinction because of the khalsa forces (led by Jat generals apparently). That is why this fact (Sikhs/Khalsas were never involved in a famous battle except Anglo-Sikh wars) is important.

I think they are talking about northern India. That is hindus in north india were saved from extinction because of khalsa forces. Which is true but it's a half truth. What they won't admit that there were hindus who were enlisting in the khalsa forces because they considered themselves as sikhs. (not to mention there were sikhs who didn't fight, who never joined the khalsa forces)

They don't do this as much now (for many reasons) but if you saw old hindu houses you'd see photos of Guru Nanak Dev ji and Guru Gobind Singh ji. If you met them many would wear a kara because "hum Guru Gobind Singh ji ko mante hain" /we believe in him. They go to the gurudwara like anyone. The only difference was they didn't have Kes/Turban.

Those guys living in the west or those obsessed with defining 1984 as 'sikhs vs hindus' or those with supremacist tendencies you talk about, aren't even aware of this. So I understand your pain.

But I think the way you put it, it goes to the other extreme of denying any kind of importance to the smaller scale battles. Smaller battles are not "famous" but they are important. A series of small battles will never be found on any list of "famous" battles but they are game changing for the local populace. Whether or not they are famous or big is irrelevant to the importance of it for the people whose ancestors fought in them. And you can't go around insulting our ancestors. I say our ancestors because they were your ancestors too.

[jaikaara]

You hit the Nail ! If we were to talk about the Maharaj of Patiala , he got Baba Hanuman Singh ji and the Nihangsingh forces saheed ...fired at them with cannons . He fought against the Khalsa Sarkaar and sided with the British. Maharaj Ranjitsingh himself sided with the British .

I think they are talking about northern India. That is hindus in north india were saved from extinction because of khalsa forces. Which is true but it's a half truth. What they won't admit that there were hindus who were enlisting in the khalsa forces because they considered themselves as sikhs. (not to mention there were sikhs who didn't fight, who never joined the khalsa forces)

They don't do this as much now (for many reasons) but if you saw old hindu houses you'd see photos of Guru Nanak Dev ji and Guru Gobind Singh ji. If you met them many would wear a kara because "hum Guru Gobind Singh ji ko mante hain" /we believe in him. They go to the gurudwara like anyone. The only difference was they didn't have Kes/Turban.

Those guys living in the west or those obsessed with defining 1984 as 'sikhs vs hindus' or those with supremacist tendencies you talk about, aren't even aware of this. So I understand your pain.

But I think the way you put it, it goes to the other extreme of denying any kind of importance to the smaller scale battles. Smaller battles are not "famous" but they are important. A series of small battles will never be found on any list of "famous" battles but they are game changing for the local populace. Whether or not they are famous or big is irrelevant to the importance of it for the people whose ancestors fought in them. And you can't go around insulting our ancestors. I say our ancestors because they were your ancestors too.

[chatanga1]

yes but not a significant, game-changing battle.More of a skirmish.

So if Maharaja Ranjit Singh after a battle took Attock and ended 800 years of invasions into "india" then this wouldn't have been a significant change in game? 800 years of getting your ass kicked in india, then suddenly you're kicking their ass in their own back yard?

"famous" battles are where emperors, generals of a large army take on an adversary of their size or importance.

You have applied your own personal criteria to what constitutes a "famous" battle. There have been many famous Sikh battles involving Guru's, Sardars, Sikhs against much bigger adversaries.

And anyway what is the significance of having a larger army, if you get whupped? The hindus of panjab/india had much larger armies than the invaders but still lost. from 1008 right upto 1761.

[OnPathToSikhi]

in spite of getting privileged treatment in india, these ungrateful scums would always claim discrimination.

"Privileged Treatment"? I think you might be reffering to Dr. Manmohan Singh (the ex PM) or the ex Chief Of Army, Bikram Singh , etc. etc. whom the Indian government took pity on (why?) and said poor guys let us make them the PM, let us make another army chief, etc. etc. You and your rotten fantasies.

With a goon heading India as PM now, there is not much left to say about India and how it's goondas are capable of fooling people. The world is watching (the real deal, not media wash). So put your energy where it is needed. Here you are just going to get whopped again and again.

[OnPathToSikhi]

Simple fact, you dont become the richest person of the town if you are being discriminated against.

I think you are talking about a Western, British specifically, established "system".

The kind of welcome he is getting in Japan these days should be enough to make you feel miserable. more is coming when Modi goes to the US.

On the contrary, I am extremely glad. Things are going exactly the way they should be.

[OnPathToSikhi]

farmers of punjab have benefitted from the pro sikh policies of nehru (bhakra dam, agri university, fertilizer units, etc) who architected the green revolution.

India was a with a begging bowl. Sikh farmers did what they could due to sheer goodwill after an untimely mordernization was sold to them.

Why are you hiding the facts that Punjab has become the cancer capital due to the same fertilizers and green "revolution"? So this is now things work in your fantasy land - Nehru "architected" the green revolution and failed to "architect" controled and educated use of fertilizer. What a moron!

[OnPathToSikhi]

kehnde aa nashukre da te mukre da koi ilaaz nahin.

Nashukra vee tu te mukarda vee tu. Well evident for from your comments.

nehru died around 50 years back,

Looks like you are glad about it and are relieved that he is dead.

Jats' greed is insatiable

Here we go again when it comes to dealing with day to day problems blame it on Jats "greed".

would never die cancer or ebola.

Yes your nemesis.

[dalsingh101]

Here we go again when it comes to dealing with day to day problems blame it on Jats "greed".

Don't knock it. The majority of problems in Panjab are due to jat greed.

Nehru "architected" the green revolution and failed to "architect" controled and educated use of fertilizer. What a moron!

The fact that Panjab's peasantry STILL haven't fathomed out how to use fertiliser after all these years says a lot.

Edited September 3, 2014 by dalsingh101

[OnPathToSikhi]

Don't knock it. The majority of problems in Panjab are due to jat greed.

The fact that Panjab's peasantry STILL haven't fathomed out how to use fertiliser after all these years says a lot.

To generalize or even say that majority of the problems in Panjab are due to Jat "greed" would be incorrect and also unfair. How much "greedy" can a farmer get. Again if an non-Sikh prospers then he is successfull, if a Sikh tries to be prosperous then he is greedy? I think somehere there is a disconnect. The greed issues that you are trying to highlight are problems due to the systematic corruption of the Sikhs of Panjab, by the Indian government in their effort to "contain" the Sikhs. Yes, some Sikhs are to be blamed. Give unlimited and unquestionable power and then try to take it back to create insecurity and control things? KPS Gills, Kuldip Brars, etc and their likes are the greedy jats. Panjab has been a predomimantly agricultrual state such that the socio-economics has been centered around farming. The "green revolution" was "introduced" so that Panjab farmers will not be able to make the calls on the agricultrue front. Panjab would have been prosperous even otherwise. I think it is time for Sikhs to come togeather rather than labelling things as Jat/Chooda/Mazbi/Tarkhan/Rajput/Paape, etc. etc. issues. It is a shame that the things that were written off by our Gurus, we end up playing to the same things much to the benefit of our enemies.

[dalsingh101]

The greed issues that you are trying to highlight are problems due to the systematic corruption of the Sikhs of Panjab, by the Indian government in their effort to "contain" the Sikhs.

And I think certain Sikhs (especially but not exclusively jats) have big problems with reflective thinking and like to blame everyone and the cat for issues they've largely created themselves.

I think it is time for Sikhs to come togeather rather than labelling things as Jat/Chooda/Mazbi/Tarkhan/Rajput/Paape, etc. etc. issues. It is a shame that the things that were written off by our Gurus, we end up playing to the same things much to the benefit of our enemies.

Well, look at who buys into caste identity the most in Panjab. See for yourself how jats encourage, push and patronise casteism and alcoholism in music, film and politics. Most of the actions of other jaats are (stupidly) reactive to this.

Look at the long history of abuse of other jaats by jats. No one makes jats behave the way they do other than themselves. And the only defense a jat has is obfuscation by blaming 'India', 'Hindus' 'The RSS' 'Congress' and the bogey man hiding in the closet. No one is buying it. The jat supremacist bubble has burst and everyone can see him for the pendu he is.

When pretty much every last nonjat Panjabi is saying there are serious issues with jats and jats are acting oblivious to this - it says A LOT about their mentality and how contemptuous and dismissive their behavior towards others is.

How do you expect people to form alliances with people who clearly don't believe in the Guru's concept of egalitarianism?

Yes, some Sikhs are to be blamed. Give unlimited and unquestionable power and then try to take it back to create insecurity and control things? KPS Gills, Kuldip Brars, etc and their likes are the greedy jats.

Much more than this: Look at the Badals and their network. These are supposedly Amritdhari Sikhs!

Edited September 4, 2014 by dalsingh101