das Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Let's end this topic on this note: One could (choice) SEEK anything positive or negative and he/she WILL get it. But it more important to recognize that there is also third choice called Neutral (Source) from which everything came. This is what we all (including myself) should SEEK. As the genius state that if we want to understand the functioning of this Universe, one should think in the terms of 3. I personally have been instructed to take the best (as per our thinking) and leave the rest (that we don't agree with) and move-on (continue) the Spiritual path. Do not get stuck into this and that. A time will come when we will see the whole picture (and not through the hole) Edited May 1, 2015 by das 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted May 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 das, that neutral source we have is called Gurbani. And we should read it without bias... it's all well and good to end it, but it accomplishes nothing as it won't change the position of the Singhnis who want to participate equally in Sikhi with their brothers, Fathers, Husbands and Sons because they are still told 'Sorry, no girls allowed'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Yes, I agree that the neutral source is Gurbani. Gurbani is written so that we do understand what we really are and help us on our path to Source. IT is providing tips to recoginize how Maya is hindering our progress and yet we (including me) indugle in the same black and white world. IT is not written to prove something in this physical plane; IT is using examples from the physical plane to make a point so that we can understand. You might be aware that 10th Guru did not add His Bani to Guru Granth Sahib Ji. In other words (as per my understanding), Sikhism (via Guru Granth Sahib Ji) teaches a Bhagti movement which was even present in the past before Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The only difference is that time this time it is compiled in a more formal way and for the wider audience, for their betterment. But anyway, you keep on saying women aren't allowed to this and that but let me tell you that my Mother (so does my cousin sisters, wife, and daughters) DOES participate (in Sikhi) each and every way they want. Noone is ever asked them not to do this and that. Yes, there are certain rigid people who does say that only Amritdhari people can do path of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but that does NOT change the inner path of my mother? No. She understands that even if someone would stop her from performing path seva, they cannot stop her from going higher in the Spiritual path. Doing Path seva is not the only way to go to God. She does understand this is the world with duality where everyone is illusioned with something. In-fact it is my Mother who is leading me to the Spiritual path. Edited May 1, 2015 by das 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Satkirin don't let a few individuals on an online forum make you doubt the path of Sikhi. 1. Women led congregations during Gurus times 2. Women were appointed as preachers (more than a dozen during 3rd Gurus time) 3. Women led army in battle (most western countries still dont allow it) 4. Women were prime ministers in Sikh kingdoms (such as Patiala) in 1800s 5. Women were allowed to do kirtan at Harmandar Sahib historically 6. Women are not considered impure during periods (unlike other religions) 7. Women are not considered impure after childbirth (concept of sootak is condemned in Gurbani) Taksal is just a sect and its rehat maryada is not applicable to all Sikhs. As I have shown, their leaders just taught what their teachers taught or what they read in books without analyzing it - members of this site haven't been able to debunk that in the other thread. Taksal books (as is with other sects like AKJ, Nihangs and Missionaries) are full of mistakes. Take the good out of each and leave the bad. No 'sect' is perfect, real Sikhi can be found somewhat in every sect to an extent. Edited May 1, 2015 by SikhKhoj 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 In case you don't know, I quote Kulbir Singh from GurmatBibek forum: "Sootak according to the Hindu faith, is related to the Bhitt (pollution, jooth) that occurs for some weeks after childbirth. The woman in these days (up to Sava month i.e. 40 days or so) is not allowed in the kitchen or do other work in the house. Some scholars believe that this practice was started with good intentions of letting the women rest after childbirth but eventually it became a superstition. Whatever the case, Gurbani has rejected the Bhitt related to Sootak." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragmaala Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Sootak also happens when a person comes in contact with someone's death or hears about someone' death. This is also condemned by Gurbani. Edited May 1, 2015 by Ragmaala 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Taksal books (as is with other sects like AKJ, Nihangs and Missionaries) are full of mistakes. Take the good out of each and leave the bad. No 'sect' is perfect, real Sikhi can be found somewhat in every sect to an extent. Can you please list all these so-called mistakes for us? I am talking about DDT/Nihang books. AKJ and Missionaries are cults/sects which sprang in Sikhism, several years after tenth master. I will start a new post on this topic, as this is off-topic. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) Sootak also happens when a person comes in contact with someone's death or hears about someone' death. This is also condemned by Gurbani. I don't think, Satguru jee condemned Sootak completely. There is scientific reasoning behind Sootak. http://www.hindutav.com/breaking-the-myth-sutak/ Anyways, it's off-topic. I might start a new topic on it. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh Edited May 2, 2015 by paapiman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted May 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) Mistake #1 taking that single tuk and twisting the meaning to mean the opposite, in order to justify women being subordinate to men when the actual meaning of the shabad in context serves to uplift women and give them worth as an individual instead of their worth being entirely linked to her physical husband. In fact it's telling all humans to embrace God as Husband Lord and not be so attached to physical spouse. DDT twisted the tuk to say women should consider their husband as God (a line taken straieght out of Laws of Manu which put women as basically a Slavs to men). That's one glaring error there!!! I supported this with actual gurbani. You have only supported your view by stating that "such and such baba said so, therefore it must be true" BTW AKJ and DDT are both sects. They both have some good and bad. DDTs bad is their view of women. AKJ is their differing views on kakkars (keski) and sarbloh bibek but at least AKJ practice the full equality taught in Gurbani while DDT does not. BOTH claim to have direct link back to Guru Gobind Singh Ji... But with BOTH that is questionable!!! I actually highly respect AKJ and its closest to how I practice Sikhi. Btw a certain well known DDT 'sant' actually praised AKJ even with their differences. Also I see AKJs point on keski as kesh is already mentioned as a bujjar kurehit so why would it also be mentioned again? And the other kakkars are all external things given by Guru Ji that a person does not already have. We all have kesh already so keski makes sense as a kakkar. Not saying it's correct but their reasoning at least makes sense! DDT reasoning for subordinating women however does not make sense at all and goes against Gurbani! Now before u jump at me note that I do not adhere to any sect. I follow SRM and no specific sect so I am not saying this because I am trying to put one against the other. I follow SGGSJ / SRM and nothing else. Edited May 2, 2015 by Satkirin_Kaur 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted May 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 I don't think, Satguru jee condemned Sootak completely. There is scientific reasoning behind Sootak. http://www.hindutav.com/breaking-the-myth-sutak/ Anyways, it's off-topic. I might start a new topic on it. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh Following Laws of Manu and now Sootak.... Are you sure you are not Hindu and following Brahmanistic teaching instead of Sikhi??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) BTW AKJ and DDT are both sects. They both have some good and bad. DDTs bad is their view of women. AKJ is their differing views on kakkars (keski) and sarbloh bibek but at least AKJ practice the full equality taught in Gurbani while DDT does not. BOTH claim to have direct link back to Guru Gobind Singh Ji... AKJ sect/cult did not start during the times of tenth master. Where is your proof? Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh Edited May 2, 2015 by paapiman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Following Laws of Manu and now Sootak.... Are you sure you are not Hindu and following Brahmanistic teaching instead of Sikhi??? Off-topic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted May 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 DDT can not prove it either! Where is your proof???? Anyway this is off topic move it to your other post. But I find it funny you didn't answer the question about being Hindu! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 DDT can not prove it either! Where is your proof???? Anyway this is off topic move it to your other post. But I find it funny you didn't answer the question about being Hindu! DDT is. All other orthodox sects acknowledge it. Where is your proof for AKJ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragmaala Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) Are there no Gursikh Females on Sikhawareness besides Satkirin ? Where is their input ? I see a lot on sikhsangat,why not here ? Edited May 2, 2015 by Ragmaala 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted May 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Are there no Gursikh Females on Sikhawareness besides Satkirin ? Where is their input ? I see a lot on sikhsangat,why not here ? The prevailing attitude towards Singhnis on this forum would be my main guess... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 DDT can not prove it either! Where is your proof???? Anyway this is off topic move it to your other post. But I find it funny you didn't answer the question about being Hindu! Proof that DDT goes back to tenth master. Where is your proof regarding AKJ??????? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 The prevailing attitude towards Singhnis on this forum would be my main guess... Maybe they just let people get away with loose talk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 lol your proof of Taksal being started by Guru is a video. Great. What about Taksalis fav granth called Suraj Prakash? Where does it mention DDT or its jathedars? Where was DDT when mahants were capturing Gurdwaray and raping? I agree that Sant Jarnail Singh did great Kurbani and you can boast of it as a taksali but prior to that (keeping in mind that Baba Deep Singh etc were not Taksalis) there was no kurbani by Sunder Singh, Kartar Singh or Gurbachan Singh. They did good things sure but also did a lot of harm to Sikhi by adding mythology to our religion. You still have not answered in which vision Gurbachan saw Muhammad stealing Vedas? OR did he just say it cos he read it in Bansawlinama without exploring and analyzing the text? Guru Sahib made Khalsa. Not Taksal or whatever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 In Sri suraj parkash does it talk about giving Bibis Amrit? Or giving gurgaddi to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 I dont give any importance to Suraj Parkash, your taksal does. So if your Taksal does viakhiya and so many Kathas on Suraj Parkash it means they love that book. So why doesnt one of their fav books mention DDT? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 lol your proof of Taksal being started by Guru is a video. Great. What about Taksalis fav granth called Suraj Prakash? Where does it mention DDT or its jathedars? Where was DDT when mahants were capturing Gurdwaray and raping? I agree that Sant Jarnail Singh did great Kurbani and you can boast of it as a taksali but prior to that (keeping in mind that Baba Deep Singh etc were not Taksalis) there was no kurbani by Sunder Singh, Kartar Singh or Gurbachan Singh. They did good things sure but also did a lot of harm to Sikhi by adding mythology to our religion. You still have not answered in which vision Gurbachan saw Muhammad stealing Vedas? OR did he just say it cos he read it in Bansawlinama without exploring and analyzing the text? Guru Sahib made Khalsa. Not Taksal or whatever Your post has been moved to the appropriate topic. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 I dont give any importance to Suraj Parkash, your taksal does. So if your Taksal does viakhiya and so many Kathas on Suraj Parkash it means they love that book. So why doesnt one of their fav books mention DDT?Why dosnt it mention giving gaddi to Guru Granth Sahib? You tell me... Because not everything needs to be written. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 I dont give any importance to Suraj Parkash, your taksal does. So if your Taksal does viakhiya and so many Kathas on Suraj Parkash it means they love that book. So why doesnt one of their fav books mention DDT? That is the single most stupidest question on this thread so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Debunk my claims brother. Cursing, name calling and saying 'this is stupid' is another way of saying you have no answer. If DDT has historical past, started by Dasam Guru and had the previous jathedars as mentioned by Kartar Singh Bhindran, then show me from history. I can also make up a lineage for my own school tommorow by naming some famous people like Akali Phoola Singh as my precedessors. If it would be true, some old book would definitely mention it? Why doesn't Mahan Kosh mention this Mahan Lineage of the so called 9-10 DDT jathedars uptill the time of Mahan Koshs writing (early 20th century) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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