Crystal

You should put your bias towards men aside...read the chritars and understand the message of the stories. You cannot understand the messages because you are hung up onon the sexualness & feminism. You say real life...the stories are really life, its not made up fables, real life lessons!. I don't think what you post is true, in fact your posts remind me of harjas kaur'skaur's...BS

interesting point, can be also used to say about the pakhand kirtani jatha and other extreme vegetarians who push their veggie crap on the panth. Majority of Sikhs and Punjabi's eat meat, as akaal takht rehit says its finefine(so there should be no pick and chochoosingsing/debates), why do those nutcases ie akjs shout about we are a vegetarian panth? Idiots. This tread is going no where, in circles we go. Crystal Satk, its about sharda....maybe you can find some on the websites you use to copy and paste rubbish. You don't even know how to read gurmukhi, so how can you get the gist of maharaj by reading the English translations? Satk & mrsingh

admin cut but don't try press your anti dasam granth BS on me. Crystal

well that's great, kudos. I have distant relatives who are akjs HOWEVER they are from the first generation of akjs....they believe in raagmala so we don't have a problems. The fools of akjs are the ones who disbelieve in ragmala and dasam bani. Just to clarify. Crystal, bringing the meth.

we are khysatri so yyessuraj bansi. Akjs do not concern me as they are fools.

Okay. If we go by what you said what is wrong as seeing dasam granth as equal to guru granth sahib? You have just shot yourself in the foot oh young one. Crystal

certain shabads were not included in this birbir...i read someone said mitar pyaar nu etc. Perhaps maharaj didnt compose them yet. &&& not forgetting zafarnama....how could this be in the 1698 saroop. Stop believing that bs about dasam granth being compiled after his depature from this world.

sorry I forgot you are such a renowned scholar versed in the many languages of Sri dasam granth. Out of the ten gurus how many have their writings in maharaj? The ones who don't have any writings in maharaj should we class those gurus beneath the onesones who do? (Sorry I am just a Pindu jatt so I don't explain that great.) Crystal

(* From Hikaa-itaan (3 & 12) - Guru Gobind Singh Ji - Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ) ਬਿਦਿਹ ਸਾਕੀਯਾ ਸਾਗ਼ਰੇ ਸਬਜ਼ ਰੰਗ ॥ ਕਿ ਮਾਰਾ ਬਕਾਰ ਅਸਤ ਦਰ ਵਕਤ ਜੰਗ ॥੫੬॥ Bideh Sakeeya Saagrey sabaz Rang. Ke Mara bakaarasat dar vakat jang. (The poet says), ‘Oh Saki,' beloved pourer of wine ' - the bartender, give me the cup full of green (liquid), ‘Which I may need at the time of struggle,(56) ਬਿਦਿਹ ਸਾਕੀਯਾ ਸਾਗ਼ਰੇ ਨੈਨ ਪਾਨ ॥ ਕੁਨਦ ਪੀਰ ਸਦ ਸਾਲਹ ਰਾ ਨਉ ਜਵਾਨ ॥੫੭॥੩॥ Bideh Sakeeya Saagrey nain paan. Kunad peer sad saalah ra nao javaan (57.3) (The poet says), “Oh! Saki, bring me the cup full of eyes-exhilarator, Which restores the youthful vigour in a hundred year old.(57) ਬਿਦਿਹ ਸਾਕੀਯਾ ਸਾਗ਼ਰੇ ਸਬਜ਼ ਗੂੰ ॥ ਕਿ ਮਾਰਾ ਬਕਾਰਸਤ ਜੰਗ ਅੰਦਰੂੰ ॥੨੦॥ Bideh Sakeeya Saagrey sabaz goo. Ke mara bakaar-ast jang androon The poet says), ‘Oh! Saki, Give me the cup full of green (liquid), ‘Which I need at the time of struggle.(20) ਲਬਾਲਬ ਬਕੁਨ ਦਮ ਬਦਮ ਨੋਸ਼ ਕੁਨ ॥ ਗ਼ਮੇ ਹਰ ਦੁ ਆਲਮ ਫ਼ਰਾਮੋਸ਼ ਕੁਨ ॥੨੧॥੧੨॥ Labaalab bakun dam badam naush kun. Gamey har du aalam faraamaush kun. (21. 12) ‘Fill it up to the brim, so that I can drink it with every breath, ‘And forget the afflictions of both the worlds.(21)(12) ( *From. Zafarnama of Guru Gobind Singh Ji (Sri Dasam Granth Sahib) ਨ ਸਾਜ਼ੋ ਨ ਬਾਜ਼ੋ ਨ ਫ਼ੌਜੋ ਨ ਫ਼ਰਸ਼ ॥ ਖ਼ੁਦਾਵੰਦ ਬਖ਼ਸ਼ਿੰਦਹਿ ਐਸ਼ਿ ਅਰਸ਼ ॥੪॥ Na Saazo Na Baazo Na Faoujo Na Faarsha ॥ Khhudaavnda Bakhhashiandahi Aaishi Arasha ॥4॥ Through His Generosity, He provides Heavenly Enjoyments to one without any wealth, falcon, army property and authority.4. Jaikara Gajaavy Nihaal Ho jaavey Sat Sri Akaaaal ! May maharaj never let the shaheedi degha cauldrons be empty. Jhatka and degh will never stop. Problems is with the SRM is meat...it says we can consume but groups claim otherwise...confuses people Crystal

papiman could you please tell me more regarding baba deep Singh? Please PM regarding this, would like to know Crystal

defeat was due to khalsa battle tactics and strategy being given to the British by our two heads....the dogra brothers. The killings Muslims done to Sikhs was done over a period...when Sikhs took badala they killed more Muslims in a shorter time frame. I disagree, you want the khalsa doing what the likes of khalsa aid is doing? We cannot even take care of our homeland riddled with drugs and we should go help other nations and places? Typical. We need to look more closer to home rather than the typical BS of the khalsa needs to help mankind. Yes we do, only after we settle our own affairs first. This kind of thought that we should be at the forefront seems deluded and wrong. Crystal

Sikhs are happy with the PM or MP coming before elections to the gurughar giving them a siropa and not seeing them for the next four years...always been like this. I fOrfor one am against this BS. No one is bothered to get the sikh voice heard, I vaguly remember this Singh from east London handing out leaflets at the nagar kirtan about Sikhs having a voice? Politics isn't interesting to the typical Punjabi Sikh. Crystal

I haven't been on SA long but dalsingh yyou are defiantly a valued contributor on this forum, well done for not pussy footing around. & thank you for your posts Crystal

No dalsingh, I have to disagree with you, rural Punjab is home. However its home to these greedy jatts who look down on others. Remember where jatts are in the caste system shudra. The nihangs should go and jhatka these Christian missionaries.

It's happening in the UK just as much maybe even more. A close friend of mind converted along with his whole family (he is a choora) however a very well of choora. When he converted he gave me this BS about how sikhi is messed up you have curroption etc, I out it to him that curroption and evil people are in every religion. He seems closer to God but still....someone who ibused to see at the guru ghar now giving speeches at churches full of Punjabi's, that doesn't sit well with me. What attracts people from the UK whoblive very good lifes to converting to Christianity. What are these missionaries offering Punjabi's sikhi can't? Crystal

You said legs change the subject but I have to comment. I have to disagree with you....some Singh's are just cowards,maharaj said learn shastar vidiya why aren't we doing so? Learning martial arts is key to being a Singh and kaur, if you posses no vidiya like I said in a previous post you should not wear a kirpan. Most Sikhs would get beat down and killed by most youngsters with street mentality because they are ruthless. Read purtan accounts of Singh's how ruthless they were, what have we become now? Shook cats. I don't know where you live but I know plently of Singh's who teach their daughters sva raksha and also how to use a kara. Those who teach their daughters to be timid are just asking for dirty sulleh to take advantage. Ha what use is gatka? There is no actual fighting involved just hitting sword on sheild. Crystal

Would love to see! Crystal

I am so sure in a granth I faintly remember Nanak parkash? There is a chapter on guru Nanak sarguns form, and if I remember correctly exactly like Vishnu. Please don't take my word for it as it was 5 years since I remember reading that. Anyone also read or heard this? Crystal

Wow very true. I'm sure if this topic was on another forum and satkiran Hindu I'm sure we would be seeing posts such as goi and RSS. Well said. As paapi said...we are nobody to question maharaj. Our minds are filled with dirt, he is our cleanser

They make a s%&£ load of money though. Went into Mac with the Mrs...literally three things she got was over £120..had a mini heart attack. Crystal

Good post ragmaala. N3o can we close this topic?

Are you smoking atta? My post was meant to mean, when our Singh's and shaheeds got killed. It was sehjdharisbwho kept our physical numbers up. The khalsakhalsa army could not survive without sehjdharis replenishing the stock of man.

Satkiran, you clearly don't know the real world and the society we live in. Crystal