Crystal

They make a s%&£ load of money though. Went into Mac with the Mrs...literally three things she got was over £120..had a mini heart attack. 
 
Crystal

​Bro, some Singhs did give her good replies.
Anyways, if a Sikh treats a white convert different from a Hindu convert, then he does not deserve to be called a Sikh.
Bhul chuk maaf

I used my time to respond and she still stuck on feminist approach, same thing was happened in why females can't be in Panj Pyaare.
I gave up.

Satkirin ..i knew this would end here...guys understand one thing ..this is a lesson for all of us ..today all of us are trying to keep Satkirin pleased as she is a white convert .at every step she has a pre determined argument of judging the Bani of the Gurus from the feminist point ..best of luck to her no issues ..
But ask this question to yourselves had you tolerated this if she was a convert from a Hindu Family ? Until now one of you must have hurled abuses ..baahmanvaadi ..rss agent ..etc.
The efforts what the Panth altogether puts to keep a white neo sikh happy had you put for prachaar in the society today the Khalsa would have been more than 20% of the population.
Think over it ...
Bhula Chuka Muaaf Karni ..
Siri Akaal ji Sahaai

Can this thread be closed?

​Don't follow manmat, follow Gurmat. We are nobodies to tell Satguru jee, what to do and how to do.
Bhul chuk maaf

They make a s%&£ load of money though. Went into Mac with the Mrs...literally three things she got was over £120..had a mini heart attack. 
 
Crystal

The point is that she is not keeping her beard because she is amritdhari or is following a certain maryada, rather she is doing it out of her own personal reasons.Obviously, everyone has freedom to look however they want. There is nothing wrong if she is feeling empowered by keeping a beard. But it is not due to a religious requirement, she just chose to keep it, that is all.
Basically, the idea was to refute your claims 1) that she is amritdhari 2) she was getting married... because you never seem to back down & keep on debating endlessly...lol

​Do you know, what fudhoo means? It is derived from the word "Fudhi", which means vagina.
Bhul chuk maaf

I just feel outraged how someone can claim such BS like this. Where I used to live loads of goreh tried to start shit but once a Singh let's of a jaikaara the jackals run...
 
Dalsingh let's face it the glory days of sooormeh khalsa is long gone. People are scared,scared to get in trouble with the law or if their wife finds out. I believe there are tons of coward amritdharis, disgusting. If you can't defend yourself or others you have no right to wear a kirpan that's worse as an attacker may take the blade and use it against you. The worst paap is to let someone take your own shastar and use it against you,beisti di gal.
 
Crystal 

You forgot paapi, if the person isn't amritdhari they are a patitpatit according to you. They can do as they please as they aren't Sikhs. 

Because satkiran keeping a beard for a woman is not rehit. You may think it is but others think it's out right stupid. Our Punjabi women are meant to be beautiful, their looks their attitude, not looking like a bloke who can kitch ten pints more than me. 

I just feel outraged how someone can claim such BS like this. Where I used to live loads of goreh tried to start shit but once a Singh let's of a jaikaara the jackals run...
 
Dalsingh let's face it the glory days of sooormeh khalsa is long gone. People are scared,scared to get in trouble with the law or if their wife finds out. I believe there are tons of coward amritdharis, disgusting. If you can't defend yourself or others you have no right to wear a kirpan that's worse as an attacker may take the blade and use it against you. The worst paap is to let someone take your own shastar and use it against you,beisti di gal.
 
Crystal 

In order to understand dasam granth one's back of head should be permanently soldered in tat gyan of jaap sahib  and akaal ustat before one start connecting to rest of sri dasam guru granth. 

Satkirin can we talk about real world ? Would you knowingly marry a man who cross dresses ? Who puts on make up like a female and waxes his body?
Someone gets attracted when he/she finds the personality interesting . The manly look harnaam carries would obviously attract homosexuals ...99.99% of men wouldnt be attracted to her . By saying it is uncalled for you yourself mean that you do not see homosexuals as equal.
 

Because satkiran keeping a beard for a woman is not rehit. You may think it is but others think it's out right stupid. Our Punjabi women are meant to be beautiful, their looks their attitude, not looking like a bloke who can kitch ten pints more than me. 

Anyways, this will be my last post on feminism, man vs woman issue etc etc...this is a useless exercise, like turning a madani in pani.
I do not claim I am right, but do try to provide interesting, unique and bold takes on certain topics.
And I do believe that Both Guru Granth Sahib & Dasam Bani can be take in a literal context as well as a deeper spiritual context.
Right now our tiny brains cannot comprehend the powerful knowledge of Bani!
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
Have a blessed night everyone, take a chill pill & drink some chaa ;)

​Bhaji this statement is so powerful. It actually pumps me up to read this.
Dasam Bani rips apart all the bullshit in this world and the other worlds. Feminists, Warriors who think they are warriors, worshipers, shastar pujaris, Devi Devte, Rakshas, Sur Asur, Daint, Bhoot, Pret, Pisach, Nindaks of Khalsa Panth, Paap shit in their pants, run away, fall down, have no way to escape, their ego blown away to pieces, like a Nuclear Bomb shreds apart everything, every bullshit, every preconceived notion, shattering the glass of ego into million pieces, turning into dust, freaking stars turning into dust, even blackholes which eat universes tremble with fear when they see the light and power of Dasam Bani,
Dasam bani slaps you so hard, it is necessary to shake you to your core, so you rise above the bullshit....
Neo bhaji you just pumped me up lol
Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan Dasam Bani!!!!!!!!!!!!
AKALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!

​Couple of points-
- It be fundamental mistake to see dasam granth contents through western and feminism lenses..Perhaps that's why one has a hard time reconciling with lot of things in there.
- In order to view dasam granth content where  vahiguru attributes is expressed in form of female (shakti)  and but in other compositions female attributes are seen as maya-illusion-trap especially in charitropakhyan, one needs to first understand indic view both vedic and other indic traditions..vedic traditions see woman as maya  - illusion but also in shaivism/shakti indic traditions where god is personified in form of durga (female energy-shakti). Dasam granth supports both views with underpinning of absolute in jaap sahib and akaal ustat.
- To claim dasam granth as anti female is joke of century, this statement totally out of depth..Obviously author missed many gurbani quotes where God attributes are expressed in form of female- ishtri mostly and purakh-male whereas god attributes personified in sri guru granth sahib ji is mostly purakh- male. Sri guru gobind singh ji really bought together men and women in khalsa, sri guru granth sahib ji male attributes of god is expressed as purakh, kartapurakh, aad purakh and whereas in sri dasam granth female attributes of god is expressed as chandi, durga, bhauagati (not one in ardas but chandi charitar) bringing together perfect union under Ikongkar- Absolute reality.

Sikhi is very simple, no need to complicate matters. A woman is to view her Husband as her only one true Khasam/ Lord.  A woman should only look to her husband for sexual gratification, and not think or view other hunky males. Similarly, A Sikh man need to respect her woman, He should only please her wife, and not even go to the bed of another wife in dreams. So being a Sikh couple makes things very easy, there are no issues of Distrust, and if both sikh man and woman are sincere, I am sure , that Guru Ji does kirpa too. That is the ideal way.
However, for non-sikh couple or even Sikh couples who cannot control their minds, they will be faced with problems at every nook and corner.  And all the treachery will come into play. And the tales that Guru Ji told will happen to people, have happened to people and have been happening right now in this Ghor Kalyug.

Paapiman is a pendu from India who obviously hasn't got a lot of life experience Crystal, factor that in. 
 
Taking Amrit is probably the only thing he has done to make himself feel good about himself, hence his clinging onto it in the way he does. 
 
Boy, I remember a few decades ago when goray and kalay would knock people's paghs off, or pull off their jooras for fun. The main people who would step up to the bullies would be monay Sikhs. People like Paapi would have been the type to have got targeted hard, and I bet he would never even try to fight back...
 
Personally I feel there is nothing lower in the quom than a cowardly amritdhari - that is a complete  and utter travesty.

Udhasis and nirmales were believed to spread puratan sikhi to all parts of india via their akharas, jor mela, kumb mela anglo wars some of it during mughal wars...how much is it true? what was population of sikhi back then compare to now?

The Singh sabha movement made many original Sikhs no longer feel accepted, as they would have to take amrit or keep kesh to be defined as a Sikh. Many didn't but followed the house of Nanak.
 
Could you please go a bit further in explaining the last comment please "kurehits in asthaan", like what exactly?
 
 
 

As pleasurable as eating tofu, paneer, samosa.  

​Sex was never a problem if you look at our puratan literature like prem sumarag granth on sex with spouse its does not doom its followers with eternal hell fire or damnation that was changed off course when singh sabha start bringing its juedo christian interpertation of sikhi , eating meat was never a issue either in nihang circle but rest of community had vaishanas influence and regarding mutliple marriage probably not allowed in sikhi however anceint puratan punjabi males had multiple wives if their spouse turn out to be barren.