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Waheguru excellent thread

Another interesting passage from Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee (Sri Chaubees Avtar). Sri Satguru jee (Tenth Master) clarifies the status of Vishnu jee in Gurmat, before describing the tales of his incarnations.
 
ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਦਿਕ ਸਬ ਹੀ ਪਚਿ ਹਾਰੇ ॥
Brahma and others have got tired in knowing Thy end
ਬਿਸਨ ਮਹੇਸਵਰ ਕਉਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੇ ॥
Who are the helpless gods Vishnu and Shiva?
ਚੰਦ ਸੂਰ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਿਚਾਰਾ ॥
The sun and moon also meditate on Thee
ਤਾ ਤੇ ਜਨੀਯਤ ਹੈ ਕਰਤਾਰਾ ॥੧੪॥
Therefore Thou art known as the Creator.
 
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Below is an interesting passage from Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee (Sri Chaubees Avtar). This will again illustrate the huge gap between the Almighty God (Our Satgurus) and Deities.  
 
ਜੋ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏ ॥
Those who are called twenty-four incarnations
ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਤੁਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਨਿਕ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥
O Lord ! they even could not realise thee in a small measure
ਸਭ ਹੀ ਜਗ ਭਰਮੇ ਭਵਰਾਯੰ ॥
They became kings of the world and got deluded
ਤਾ ਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਅੰਤ ਕਹਾਯੰ ॥੭॥
Therefore they were called by innumerable names.
 
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Who is Akaal?
The one and only - Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Rai Dev Bedi jee Maharaaj
 
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Brahma jee, Vishnu jee and Shiv jee are Ishwars.
What is a Ishwar? Ishwar is composed of three things:
Maya Pure Satogun Almighty Waheguru's jot  
Reference
http://www.gurbaniupdesh.org/multimedia/04-Katha/13-Giani Thakur Singh Ji (Patiala Wale)/Katha Atam Giaan/05-Atam Giaan.mp3
 
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You are right bro, but if a pseudo scientist claims that a river is bigger than an ocean, then he needs to be corrected.
These myths that Sri Satguru jee was an Avtaar of Vishnu jee or Sri Satguru jee worshiped Mata Durga jee, need to be tackled effectively.
 
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This accusation of attempted rape came from the defendents but the police also from screening his texts saw that something had happened. The news at the time was that Gagan was invited to stay the night at her flat but at some stage tried to get into her bed. She stopped him and it ended there.
 
I knew Gagan personally, and i was really shocked to hear about his death. Even today I still think about him. He really was one clever, articulate guy. His feelings for the Panth and strategies for the new generation were really fresh. When we met a few times, he wasn't Amritdhari. I think towards the last few months of his life he took pahul.
It was such a shame how assets from Sikh TV were taken and sold once he passed away, without any thought or concern for his family.

It said he 'tried' to rape her.
Check out this video.
This sounds a bit dodgy IMO, like why did she wait 6 months before she took any form of action? The text message sent by Gagandeep Singh to Mahil was about talking something out, and Singh was well aware that she might kill him from the text he sent her but he might have underestimated her thinking a lone woman cannot kill me or something of the like. Also if she had a genuine reason for doing what she did, it would make more sense that she call the cops instead of taking the matter into her own hands. One more thing, the article portrays one side of the story, we do not have Shoker's and Peter's side of the story, since they were the ones that murdered Singh doesn't it make sense to incorporate their side of the story as well, what do they have to say? 
 
If she was the sister of a police officer surely it wouldn't be hard for her to get police help, so why then did she choose to take the matter into her own hands?  
 If this was true why did she have two men, namely Shoker and Peters ready to kill him? This claim of her's also contradicts the text message where Singh explicitly expresses that she wants to kill him. Also why did she wait 6 months if she only wanted to "lecture" him or give him "a few slaps"? She could have easily confronted him earlier. 
 Since Shoker was in love with her she could have easily used this against him to get what she wanted. The fact that she referred to him as her "gay friend" while speaking to others shows that she might have been ashamed of him declaring his love for social reasons and did not want to be seen as a couple by others hence "gay friend". This might also hint that she did not want him in her life, therefore she might have got him to commit a crime to get him jailed (revenge, maybe)- so basically a win/win situation for her. 
So, Singh "attempted rape" but didn't rape her. She underwent counselling but she was still friends with him or acted like she was friends with him. I believe she might have been too ashamed of the encounter so started to plot Singh's death using Shoker to her advantage along with Peters. 
 
If Singh had tried to rape her why was she still keeping contact with him and asking for gifts from him? Would it not be normal for her to distance herself from him had she been disturbed by the incident that happened between them. 
They blamed each other... hmmm... This shows that they came to realise that they had been tricked into killing Singh but now they do not want to face the punishment. Mahil has thrown them under the bus by saying she only wanted to lecture Singh and wasn't aware that Shoker and Peters would do such a thing. She clearly knew what Shoker and Peters did as they called her shortly after the doing the deed, so why does she claim she didn;t know? Did she not see them tie him up and put him in the boot of the Mercedes? Did she not see the two men drive Singh off? If she wanted to lecture him why wasn't she present with Shoker and Peters? 
However, if Mahil was telling the truth why did she need two men to hide in her basement until he arrived to pounce on him? If she was worried that he might try to rape her again, she could have easily got her girlfriends, no? 
If Mahil was "traumatised" why did she not try to stop Shoker and Peters from beating Singh up why was she just sitting there eating a Key Lime pie? Since she was friends with Shoker he would have listened to what she would have to say, right? Why didn't she stop them when they tied Singh with cables, chucked him in the boot and drove him off? Surely, she agreed with what was happening and refused to get her hands dirty as Peters and Shoker murdered Singh therefore leaving no evidence of finger prints on his body. 
Source: http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/mundill-mahil-darren-peters-and-harvinder-shoker/ 
 
Is there any evidence that suggests he actually raped her? 

Thank u.  thank u . Thank u so much. 
My Guru Sahib is so mitha he answers. I was so upset..  . He made u find this to answer me. Though m back to square one seeking his permission but still that seems easier than him taking it along with.Hope Babaji listens to this too soon. 
Cant thnk u enough 
God bless u

Bhen ji don't feel low here listen to this track by sant maskeen ji on the subject
http://kam1825.podbean.com/e/can-someone-take-amrit-without-their-partner/

@Mooorakh bhen ji here is a audio katha track i found on the issue by sant maskeen. This is the best advice i have found so far on the subject. 
 
Bhen ji try to listen to it
http://kam1825.podbean.com/e/can-someone-take-amrit-without-their-partner/
 

Nothing is gone and impossible penji.Don't do anything rash.Just consult your panj pyare  first like tva prasad veerji advised.

Thanks. It was late at night when I posted that in my fatigued state. 
 

I'm sorry. Although I think it is better to take it with your spouse because then you can be at the same stage and you can inspire each other to keep rehit.
I hope vaheguru will soon listen to your prays.

I'm not sure although I've heard that sometimes the panj pyare make exeptions. I think @Mooorakh benji should try to talk with the panj pyare to get their views. 

It said he 'tried' to rape her.
Check out this video.
This sounds a bit dodgy IMO, like why did she wait 6 months before she took any form of action? The text message sent by Gagandeep Singh to Mahil was about talking something out, and Singh was well aware that she might kill him from the text he sent her but he might have underestimated her thinking a lone woman cannot kill me or something of the like. Also if she had a genuine reason for doing what she did, it would make more sense that she call the cops instead of taking the matter into her own hands. One more thing, the article portrays one side of the story, we do not have Shoker's and Peter's side of the story, since they were the ones that murdered Singh doesn't it make sense to incorporate their side of the story as well, what do they have to say? 
 
If she was the sister of a police officer surely it wouldn't be hard for her to get police help, so why then did she choose to take the matter into her own hands?  
 If this was true why did she have two men, namely Shoker and Peters ready to kill him? This claim of her's also contradicts the text message where Singh explicitly expresses that she wants to kill him. Also why did she wait 6 months if she only wanted to "lecture" him or give him "a few slaps"? She could have easily confronted him earlier. 
 Since Shoker was in love with her she could have easily used this against him to get what she wanted. The fact that she referred to him as her "gay friend" while speaking to others shows that she might have been ashamed of him declaring his love for social reasons and did not want to be seen as a couple by others hence "gay friend". This might also hint that she did not want him in her life, therefore she might have got him to commit a crime to get him jailed (revenge, maybe)- so basically a win/win situation for her. 
So, Singh "attempted rape" but didn't rape her. She underwent counselling but she was still friends with him or acted like she was friends with him. I believe she might have been too ashamed of the encounter so started to plot Singh's death using Shoker to her advantage along with Peters. 
 
If Singh had tried to rape her why was she still keeping contact with him and asking for gifts from him? Would it not be normal for her to distance herself from him had she been disturbed by the incident that happened between them. 
They blamed each other... hmmm... This shows that they came to realise that they had been tricked into killing Singh but now they do not want to face the punishment. Mahil has thrown them under the bus by saying she only wanted to lecture Singh and wasn't aware that Shoker and Peters would do such a thing. She clearly knew what Shoker and Peters did as they called her shortly after the doing the deed, so why does she claim she didn;t know? Did she not see them tie him up and put him in the boot of the Mercedes? Did she not see the two men drive Singh off? If she wanted to lecture him why wasn't she present with Shoker and Peters? 
However, if Mahil was telling the truth why did she need two men to hide in her basement until he arrived to pounce on him? If she was worried that he might try to rape her again, she could have easily got her girlfriends, no? 
If Mahil was "traumatised" why did she not try to stop Shoker and Peters from beating Singh up why was she just sitting there eating a Key Lime pie? Since she was friends with Shoker he would have listened to what she would have to say, right? Why didn't she stop them when they tied Singh with cables, chucked him in the boot and drove him off? Surely, she agreed with what was happening and refused to get her hands dirty as Peters and Shoker murdered Singh therefore leaving no evidence of finger prints on his body. 
Source: http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/mundill-mahil-darren-peters-and-harvinder-shoker/ 
 
Is there any evidence that suggests he actually raped her? 

I'm sorry. Although I think it is better to take it with your spouse because then you can be at the same stage and you can inspire each other to keep rehit.
I hope vaheguru will soon listen to your prays.

@Mooorakh Bhen ji, this a good video.
 

@Mooorakh Bhen ji, this a good video.
 

Here is current ongoing katha of sri sarbloh granth on youtube
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC5Gl55ok2jC12S25_9SEPdg/featured

You are right veer they do look like a pair of snakes in suits and no wonder people were afraid of them as they must have had top links to policatians like you see in the underworld movies.

Just picked up:
Sophia. Princess, Suffragette, Revolutionary by Anita Anand
(It's about Maharaja Ranjit Singh's granddaughter incase you haven't figured).
The blurb on the back cover says:
In 1876 Sophia Duleep Singh was born into royalty. Her father, M. Duleep Singh, was heir to the Kingdom of Sikhs, a realm that stretched from Kashmir to the cities of Lahore and Peshawar. It was a territory irresistible to the British, who plundered everything. Exiled to England, the dispossessed Maharajah transformed his estate at Elveden in Suffolk into a Moghul palace. Sophia, god-daughter of Queen Victoria, was raised a genteel aristocratic Englishwomen. Sophia transcended her heritage to devote herself to battling injustice and inequality. Her causes were the struggle for Indian independence, the welfare of Indian soldiers in the First World War - and the fight for female suffrage.  

Let me share with  you one Vaar of Bhai Gurdas.In this vaar Bhai Gurdas explains the  miserable plight of  a human Beign
Very interesting read in todays context:
ਕਲਿ ਆਈ ਕੁਤੇ ਮੁਹੀ ਖਾਜੁ ਹੋਇਆ ਮੁਰਦਾਰ ਗੁਸਾਈ।
Kali Aaee Kutay Muhee Khaaju Hoiaa Muradaar Gusaaee |
O God! in kaliyug , the mentality of the jiv has become like the mouth of dog which always seeks the dead to eat.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੦ ਪੰ. ੧
ਰਾਜੇ ਪਾਪ ਕਮਾਵਦੇ ਉਲਟੀ ਵਾੜ ਖੇਤ ਕਉ ਖਾਈ।
Raajay Paapu Kamaanvaday Ulatee Vaarh Khayt Kau Khaaee |
The kings are sinning as if the protective fence were itself devouring the (crop in the) field.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੦ ਪੰ. ੨
ਪਰਜਾ ਅੰਧੀ ਗਿਆਨ ਬਿਨੁ ਕੂੜੁ ਕੁਸਤਿ ਮੁਖਹੁ ਆਲਾਈ।
Prajaa Andhee Giaan Binu Koorh Kusatu Mukhahu Aalaaee |
Bereft of knowledge, the blind people are uttering falsehood.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੦ ਪੰ. ੩
ਚੇਲੇ ਸਾਜ ਵਜਾਇਦੇ ਨਚਨਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਭਾਈ
Chaylay Saaj Vajaaiday Nachani Guroo Bahutu Bidhi Bhaaee |
Now the gurus are dancing variously to the tunes played by the disciples.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੦ ਪੰ. ੪
ਸੇਵਕ ਬੈਠਨਿ ਘਰਾ ਵਿਚਿ ਗੁਰ ਉਠਿ ਘਰੀ ਤਿਨਾੜੇ ਜਾਈ।
Chaylay Baithhani Gharaan Vichi Guru Uthhi Ghareen Tinaarhay Jaaee |
The taughts now sit at home and the teachers go their abodes.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੦ ਪੰ. ੫
ਕਾਜੀ ਹੋਏ ਰਿਸਵਤੀ ਵਢੀ ਲੈ ਕੈ ਹਕ ਗਵਾਈ।
Kaajee Hoay Risavatee Vaddhee Lai Kai Haku Gavaaee |
Qazis enjoy bribes and getting the same they have lost their high regards and position.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੦ ਪੰ. ੬
ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਪੁਰਖੈ ਦਾਮ ਹਿਤੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਆਇ ਕਿਥਾਊ ਜਾਈ।
Isatree Purakhay Daami Hitu Bhaavai Aai Kidaaoon Jaaee |
Man and woman love each other for riches, may they come from anywhere.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੦ ਪੰ. ੭
ਵਰਤਿਆ ਪਾਪ ਸਭਸ ਜਗ ਮਾਂਹੀ ॥੩੦॥
Varatiaa Paapu Sabhasi Jagi Maanhee ||30 ||
The sin has become ubiquitous in the whole world.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੦ ਪੰ. ੮

I have been reading Ramayan (again) recently and also Bhai Gurdas varan. So much info in Bhai Gurdas Varan, and its not hard to read and understand at all.

Try reading his Kabit Saviye too. They are amazing.
Dhan Dhan Bhai saab Bhai Gurdas jee (greatest Sikh scholar)
 
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