tva prasad

My Guru is telling me to do one thing and one thing only and I do so many others..... Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru

Ang 426

They are occupied with the Naam, and only the Naam; they deal only in the Naam.
naamay hee naam varatday naamay vartaaraa.

Deep within their hearts is the Naam; upon their lips is the Naam; they contemplate the Word of God, and the Naam.
antar naam mukh naam hai naamay sabad veechaaraa.

They listen to the Naam, believe in the Naam, and through the Naam, they obtain glory.
naam sunee-ai naam mannee-ai naamay vadi-aa-ee.

They praise the Naam, forever and ever, and through the Naam, they obtain the Mansion of the Lord`s Presence.
naam salaahay sadaa sadaa naamay mahal paa-ee.

Through the Naam, their hearts are illumined, and through the Naam, they obtain honor.
naamay hee ghat chaannaa naamay sobhaa paa-ee.

Through the Naam, peace wells up; I seek the Sanctuary of the Naam.
naamay hee sukh oopjai naamay sarnaa-ee.

Without the Naam, no one is accepted; the self-willed manmukhs lose their honor.
bin naavai ko-ay na mannee-ai manmukh pat gavaa-ee.

In the City of Death, they are tied down and beaten, and they lose their lives in vain.
jam pur baaDhay maaree-ah birthaa janam gavaa-ee.

Those Gurmukhs who realize the Naam, all serve the Naam. (To serve Naam is to LISTEN TO IT!!!!!)
naamai kee sabh sayvaa karai gurmukh naam bujhaa-ee.

So believe in the Naam, and only the Naam; through the Naam, glorious greatness is obtained.
naamhu hee naam mannee-ai naamay vadi-aa-ee.

He alone receives it, unto whom it is given. Through the Guru`s Teachings, the Naam is realized.
jis no dayvai tis milai gurmatee naam bujhaa-ee.

O Nanak, everything is under the influence of the Naam; by perfect good destiny, a few obtain it.
naanak sabh kichh naavai kai vas hai poorai bhaag ko paa-ee.

I justed wanted to write a little example to help understand what I believe Guru ji is trying to instruct us with, because if you learn you apply this jugti then you watch how much more stable you mind becomes. You will then notice how when you don’t, you will automatically see how it breaks your inner peace.

I am sure you have heard countless saakhi’s of bhagats, mahapursh calling everyone they see WaheGuru. When I first heard this I found it a little strange, why on earth are they calling a person waheguru. I have even been to gurdwaras where this is normal practise. First I thought maybe they are japping naam after ever little phrase. Then when I started listening more and reading SGGS the light dawned.

These people are trying to develop what I believe is called bibek bhuddie. As guru ji instructs us to do in the pangti’s above and probably countless others. If you train your mind to see Waheguru in everyone who will you hate? who will you curse? who will you swear at? Who will you do nindiya off?

Then this is not just limited to people, look at Waheguru’s whole creation. Waheguru is inside that too but we just don’t have that divine sight to see his parkash in it yet, myself included. But slowly when you start bringing this line of thought into your mind you develop more peace/shanty of mind because you don’t want to hurt anyone or do their nindeya because indirectly your only adding more sins into your basket. And boy do we have millions of them already. This is how guru ji is instructing us how to conquer Krodh and the other vices gurbani talks about.

The day the penny dropped for me, I was waling down an escalator and below I saw hundreds of people, and the more I looked at them the more I smiled and just said Waheguru. Then I walked home I saw a tree and I looked at that tree and said to myself guru ji your in their too but one day please show yourself in your true light.

The more I remember to put this at the forefront of my mind, when ever a confrontation starts I have now come to hate it and think this person is has lost it and I wont let him destroy my inner piece which with his kirpa I am trying to so hard to develop. Just silently start japping waheguru in your mind and do not be drawn into any kind of confrontation. You see how most times the situation just dissolves itself.

If the other person doesn't stop, just step back with nimerta and say "Tuwno Jaadha Patha Ji" and walk away.

Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Waheguru.

Appologies for my spelling mistakes...

Oh my, Just came to the following pungti and wondering if that is what i sometimes hear. Waheguru

Ang 356

You shall hear the vibrations of the tinkling bells, when your mind is held steady.
ghunghroo vaajai jay man laagai.

Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.......

Was just reading Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and came across the following lines by Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji which just blew me away. It's very high avasta of which he explains, but we must aim for it....

Ang 351
The Name has no form or outline; it vibrates with the unstruck Sound Current; through the Word of the Shabad, the Immaculate Lord is revealed. ||1||
tis roop na raykh anaahad vaajai sabad niranjan kee-aa. ||1||

One can speak on this only when he knows it.
karay vakhi-aan jaanai jay ko-ee.

He alone drinks in the Ambrosial Nectar. ||1||Pause||
amrit peevai so-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o.

Those who drink it in are enraptured; their bonds and shackles are cut away.
jinH pee-aa say masat bha-ay hai tootay banDhan faahay.

When one`s light blends into the Divine Light, then the desire for Maya is ended. ||2||
jotee jot samaanee bheetar taa chhoday maa-i-aa kay laahay. ||2||

Among all lights, I behold Your Form; all the worlds are Your Maya.
sarab jot roop tayraa daykhi-aa sagal bhavan tayree maa-i-aa

Among the tumults and forms, He sits in serene detachment; He bestows His Glance of Grace upon those who are engrossed in the illusion. ||3|| raarai roop niraalam baithaa nadar karay vich chhaa-i-aa. ||3

The Yogi who plays on the instrument of the Shabad gains the Blessed Vision of the Infinitely Beautiful Lord.
beenaa sabad vajaavai jogee darsan roop apaaraa

He, the Lord, is immersed in the Unstruck Shabad of the Word, says Nanak, the humble and meek. ||4||8||
sabad anaahad so saho raataa naanak kahai vichaaraa. ||4||8||

The divine crystalline harmonies, their consorts, and their celestial families raag ratan paree-aa parvaar.
- from them, the essence of Ambrosial Nectar is produced.
tis vich upjai amrit saar

O Nanak, this is the wealth and property of the Creator Lord.
naanak kartay kaa ih Dhan maal

If only this essential reality were understood! ||4||9||
jay ko boojhai ayhu beechaar. ||4||9||

The true ladder is the True name from Waheguru's mouth. (i.e. Listening to the anhad shabad and following it...)
sach pa-orhee saacha-o mukh naaN-o.

Ang 352

The Vedas continually speak of the three branches.
saakhaa teen kahai nit bayd.
One who merges/absorbs into the Naad,
naad bind kee surat samaa-ay.
serves the True Guru and obtains the supreme status.
satgur sayv param pad paa-ay.

When my mind turned away from Maya, I came to dwell in my own home.
ulat bha-ee ghar ghar meh aani-aa. (1)

Serving the True Guru, they drink in the Amrit, the Ambrosial Nectar.
satgur sayv amrit ras chaakhay. ||3||
The unstable mind is restrained by tasting this Nectar.
chalta-o man raakhai amrit chaakhai
Serving the True Guru, one comes to cherish the Ambrosial Nectar of the Shabad.
satgur sayv amrit sabad bhaakhai

Through the True Word of the Shabad, the state of liberation is obtained.
saachai sabad mukat gat paa-ay.

O Nanak, self-conceit is eradicated from within. ||4||13||
naanak vichahu aap gavaa-ay. ||4||13||

That night I never slept a wink. I had a constant sound in my ear. My state of mind has become quite biragee and whilst listening to kirtan/simran yesterday the tears were just flowing. When I now say Waheguru it definitely feels as if the voice is coming from the chest. The anand from the simran feels a lot more sweet. Don't feel like working or doing anything. Just feel like reading gurbani and listening to Waheguru Mantar.

I am not sure if I should write this but think I might have just experienced something.

I was lying down on the sofa just thinking about waheguru when I had this urge to do simran. I started the jaap and my voice sounded so clear. I became totally engrossed in the sound and then all of a sudden my voice and breath suddenly merged into perfect union all by themself without me trying to force it. Then it felt like a ball of energy started shooting up and down inside of me between my chest and navel. It was really powerful. All of a sudden I became aware of what was happening to me so I stopped out of fear. I'm still a little shaken up by the experience.

My simran battery was becoming a bit flat for the past week or so and it needed bit of kick start. Resumed reading of SGGS alongside simran thoughout the day and low and behold gear has engaged again. Waheguru

Think I had to be told.. as Guru Nanak Dev Ji says

Ang 243
How can giving donations to charities and countless cleansing baths wash off the filth within the heart?
punn daan anayk naavan ki-o antar mal Dhovai.

Without the Naam, no one attains salvation. Stubborn self-discipline and living in the wilderness are of no use at all.
naam binaa gat ko-ay na paavai hath nigrahi baybaanai.

O Nanak, the home of Truth is attained through the Shabad. How can the Mansion of His Presence be known through duality? ||3||
naanak sach ghar sabad sinjaapai dubiDhaa mahal ke jaanai. ||3||

True is Your Name, O Dear Lord; True is contemplation of Your Shabad.
tayraa naam sachaa jee-o sabad sachaa veechaaro.

True is the Mansion of Your Presence, O Dear Lord, and True is trade in Your Name.
tayraa mahal sachaa jee-o naam sachaa vaapaaro.

Trade in Your Name is very sweet; the devotees earn this profit night and day.
naam kaa vaapaar meethaa bhagat laahaa andino.

Other than this, I can think of no other merchandise. So chant the Naam each and every moment.
tis baajh vakhar ko-ay na soojhai naam layvhu khin khino.


Speaking of heart, I'm noticing a weird kind of warmth in the chest recently. It's like when I breath in and out Wahe-Guru is being recitied there. Like my voice has moved into the chest. Just feel like closing my eyes and focusing my dyaan/simran there.

I was reading SGGS when I came to Ang 152. My jaw dropped and I nearly fell over. I am sure you have all read this but if you haven't I hope you find it as enlightening and inspiring as I did. A few pangti's may be missing because they are taken from my own notes. The baani has been written by Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Waheguru.....
The union of air, water and fire
pa-unai paanee agnee kaa mayl.
- the body is the play-thing of the fickle and unsteady intellect.
chanchal chapal buDh kaa khayl.
It has nine doors, and then there is the Tenth Gate.
na-o darvaajay dasvaa du-aar.
Reflect upon this and understand it, O wise one. ||1||
bujh ray gi-aanee ayhu beechaar. ||1||
The Lord is the One who speaks, teaches and listens.
kathtaa baktaa suntaa so-ee.
One who contemplates his own self is truly wise. ||1||Pause||
aap beechaaray so gi-aanee ho-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o
The body is dust; the wind speaks through it.
dayhee maatee bolai pa-un
Understand, O wise one, who has died.
bujh ray gi-aanee moo-aa hai ka-un.
Awareness, conflict and ego have died,
moo-ee surat baad ahaNkaar.
but the One who sees does not die. ||2||
oh na moo-aa jo daykhanhaar. ||2||
For the sake of it, you journey to sacred shrines and holy rivers;
jai kaaran tat tirath jaahee
but this priceless jewel is within your own heart.
ratan padaarath ghat hee maahee.
The Pandits, the religious scholars, read and read endlessly; they stir up arguments and controversies,
parh parh pandit baad vakhaanai.
but they do not know the secret deep within. ||3||
bheetar hodee vasat na jaanai. ||3||
I have not died - that evil nature within me has died.
ha-o na moo-aa mayree mu-ee balaa-ay
The One who is pervading everywhere does not die.
oh na moo-aa jo rahi-aa samaa-ay
Says Nanak, the Guru has revealed God to me,
kaho naanak gur barahm dikhaa-i-aa
and now I see that there is no such thing as birth or death. ||4||4||
martaa jaataa nadar na aa-i-aa. ||4||4||
I am forever a sacrifice to the one who listens and hears, who understands and believes in the Name.
sun sun boojhai maanai naa-o. taa kai sad balihaarai jaa-o.
When the Lord Himself leads us astray, there is no other place of rest for us to find.
aap bhulaa-ay tha-ur na thaa-o.
You impart understanding, and You unite us in Your Union. ||1||
tooN samjhaavahi mayl milaa-o. ||1
I obtain the Naam, which shall go along with me in the end.
naam milai chalai mai naal.
Without the Name, all are held in the grip of Death. ||1||Pause||
bin naavai baaDhee sabh kaal. ||1|| rahaa-o
My farming and my trading are by the Support of the Name.
khaytee vanaj naavai kee ot.
This is the true mark of wisdom: that one remains detached, like the water-lily, or the lotus upon the water.
jal puraa-in ras kamal pareekh.
Attuned to the Word of the Shabad, one becomes sweet, like the juice of the sugar cane. ||3||
sabad ratay meethay ras eekh. 
By the Hukam of the Lord`s Command, the castle of the body has ten gates.
hukam sanjogee garh das du-aar.
The five passions dwell there, together with the Divine Light of the Infinite.
panch vaseh mil jot apaar.
The Lord Himself is the merchandise, and He Himself is the trader.
aap tulai aapay vanjaar.
O Nanak, through the Naam, the Name of the Lord, we are adorned and rejuvenated. 
naanak naam savaaranhaar.
How can we know where we came from?
jaato jaa-ay kahaa tay aavai
Where did we originate, and where will we go and merge?
kah upjai kah jaa-ay samaavai
How are we bound, and how do we obtain liberation?
ki-o baaDhi-o ki-o muktee paavai
How do we merge with intuitive ease into the Eternal, Imperishable Lord? ||1||
ki-o abhinaasee sahj samaavai. ||1
With the Naam in the heart and the Ambrosial Naam on our lips,
naam ridai amrit mukh naam.
through the Name of the Lord, we rise above desire, like the Lord. ||1||Pause||
narhar naam narhar nihkaam. ||1|| rahaa-o.
With intuitive ease we come, and with intuitive ease we depart.
sehjay aavai sehjay jaa-ay.
From the mind we originate, and into the mind we are absorbed.
man tay upjai man maahi samaa-ay.
As Gurmukh, we are liberated, and are not bound.
gurmukh mukto bandh na paa-ay.
Contemplating the Word of the Shabad, we are emancipated through the Name of the Lord. 
sabad beechaar chhutai har naa-ay. ||2||
Ang 153
Meeting the Gur (a.k.a. Shabad Guru within), the hard and heavy doors are opened. 
gur mil kholay bajar kapaat. 
One meets the Holy Saint only through perfect destiny.
saadh milai poorab sanjog.
The Lord`s perfect people rejoice in the Truth.
sach rahsay pooray har log.
Surrendering their minds and bodies, they find the Lord with intuitive ease.
man tan day lai sahj subhaa-ay.
Nanak falls at their feet. 
naanak tin kai laaga-o paa-ay. 
Conquering self-conceit, one obtains the Name. 
aap maaray taa paa-ay naa-o. 
One who dies in the Word of the Shabad, shall never again have to die.
sabad marai,,fir maran na ho-ay.
Without such a death, how can one attain perfection?
bin moo-ay ki-o pooraa ho-ay.
So get aboard that boat when your turn comes.
bohith charha-o jaa aavai vaar.
Those who fail to embark upon that boat shall be beaten in the Court of the Lord.
thaakay bohith dargeh maar.
Blessed is that Gurdwara, the Guru`s Gate, where the Praises of the True Lord are sung.
sach saalaahee Dhan gurdu-aar.
O Nanak, the One Creator Lord is pervading hearth and home. 
naanak dar ghar aykankaar.
The inverted heart-lotus has been turned upright, through reflective meditation on God.
ulti-o kamal barahm beechaar.
From the Sky of the Tenth Gate, the Ambrosial Nectar trickles down.
amrit Dhaar gagan das du-aar.
The Lord Himself is pervading the three worlds. ||1||
taribhavan bayDhi-aa aap muraar. ||1||
O my mind, do not give in to doubt.
ray man mayray bharam na keejai.
When the mind surrenders to the Name, it drinks in the essence of Ambrosial Nectar. Pause
man maanee-ai amrit ras peejai. rahaa-o.
When the self dies, the individual mind comes to know the Supreme Mind.
aap moo-aa man, man tay jaani-aa.
As the inner vision is awakened, one comes to know one`s own home, deep within the self. 
najar bha-ee ghar ghar tay jaani-aa. 
The Naam, the Name of the Lord, is austerity, chastity and cleansing baths at sacred shrines of pilgrimage. (Listening to the Naam is cleansing baths)
jat sat tirath majan naam.
Meeting the True Guru, we are shown the way to die.
satgur milai so maran dikhaa-ay.
Remaining alive in this death brings joy deep within.
maran rahan ras antar bhaa-ay.
Overcoming egotistical pride, the Tenth Gate is found. 
garab nivaar gagan pur paa-ay.
So chant and meditate on the Lord, and remain in the Sanctuary of the Lord. ||1||Pause||
har jap jaap rahan har sarnaa.
Meeting the True Guru, duality is dispelled.
satgur milai ta dubiDhaa bhaagai.
The heart-lotus blossoms forth, and the mind is attached to the Lord God.
kamal bigaas man har parabh laagai.
One who remains dead while yet alive obtains the greatest happiness hereafter. 
jeevat marai mahaa ras aagai. 
Meeting the True Guru, one becomes truthful, chaste and pure.
satgur mili-ai sach sanjam soochaa.
Climbing up the steps of the Guru`s Path, one becomes the highest of the high.
gur kee pa-orhee oocho oochaa.
When the Lord grants His Mercy, the fear of death is conquered. 
karam milai jam kaa bha-o moochaa. 
Uniting in Guru`s Union, we are absorbed in His Loving Embrace.
gur mili-ai mil ank samaa-i-aa.
Granting His Grace, He reveals the Mansion of His Presence, within the home of the self.
kar kirpaa ghar mahal dikhaa-i-aa.

The Gurdwara commities don't tell us, because if we found out the truth, we would hold them and the babey accountable. THE SHOW MUST GO ON and what a show it is.

Wait till you recieve your "jalak", "peep" at you know who, it will be faster than a millisecond pulsar, so fast you will be begging for the door to open wider.

Amazing, brilliant journey and Thank you

About 6 months focus on naam simran now and before that about 1 year on mool mantar. Before that it was just reading books and listening to kirtan katha but I was still lacking inspiration do the practical myself. Only over the past 2 years have I moved up a gear and more so in the last 6 months.

If my post inspires even just one person then I really consider it worth while. Go for it Singh!!!

I'm reading Guru Granth Sahib Ji (english translation) along side naam simran and its really giving me the push I need. The amount of focus that is placed on naam/shabad unity with Almighty is just really shocking me to the max. To the point i'm getting quite annoyed by the fact that if Guru Granth Sahib Ji placed so much focus on naam simran being the only means by which we will reach Waheguru why weren't we told about it in Gurdwaras more. Maybe it was me who just wasn't taking it in. Why aren't we told this is what you need to do and this is how you go about doing it....

There are days when I run out of steam and the desire isn't there but when I read a few more angs it gives me the kick I need to get me going again. Actually i'm hooked reading Guru Ji. Can't even focus at work, just want to keep reading. My respect for my Gurus is increasing daily. Guru Amar Das ji' belows me away every time, actually they all do. Going to get shitter at work if they find out what I'm doing. I find myself totally becoming withdrawn from what is going on in the outside world. Don't care about news, tv, movies, family etc either i'm holding my phone or ipad. I'm really seeing a difference in me. Its growing to such an extent that my own mother is getting concerned and telling me to slow down and keep my feet on the ground and says I got my whole life ahead of me yet.

The only advice I'm able to give anyone is keep the simran going throughout the day whilst your doing your day to day stuff. From the moment I get up I try and start. Getting ready, journey to work, lunch times, take a few minutes off during work and just do simran eyes open or closed, journey home. I bet the other travelers are saying what is that guy mumbling to himself. If your able to dedicate fix time to it then so much the better. This is the part I'm really finding difficult to do. My legs and backside ache and I can't sit for long and the discomfort over powers the concentration your trying to reach. I find myself looking at the clock to see if times up or my thoughts just keep coming and I get frustrated but there are times when you know you had a good session even if it was just for a few moments.

I'm happy to share so here goes:

Last night before I went to sleep I was reading SGGS and the house was very quiet. Mrs is away so no snoring in my ears. lol. When it's quiet this whistling sound manifests itself. I can hear the sound coming from the right side. This time not only was there a whistling sound but a second beat like a drum. How I wish I was a musician so i could replicate what I was hearing. It was weaker than the whistle but I could definately make it out. Really freaked me out at first. Have never heard that sound before.

I spoke to a naam abhiyaasi mahapursh about it who said I was on the right track but I shouldn't focus on the sound yet. He said I need to remain focused on my naam simran and learn to still my thoughts. Also for the past few weeks the saliva in my mouth has been feeling extremely sweet. So much so that its actually becoming really difficult to tolerate. When I do simran it flows more and more. I'm still skeptical about what I'm experiencing because I feel I'm not actually putting in that much effort. Although some days are better than others.

Waheguru Mere Bharaya Hath Rakhe and bless me with his Naam...

The most important thing about simran is concentration. One should never be distracted by anything when one does simran and hereby I mean anything. There is this sakhi of this man who used to perform simran of Mulmantar continously and sometimes devte who come and visit him: he still kept on doing simran as he knew they came to disctract him. It's a known fact in Indian mythology that when a mortal accumulates a lot of tap-tejas the devte come to distract in order to test him.

agreed!

continue ur simran regardless of the activities that happen to the body. that feeling isn't the end, simply your energy being built up at a point in ur body. when it accumates to a point where you are sensitive enough, you can feel it.

Sometimes there is a pressure being built up in your forehead (the third eye) or your hands become cold and you can feel the energy flowing thru your palms.

These are simply few events that occur to the physical body as the energy begins to flow thru your chakras. Do not be Distracted by them, just continue your simran.

veer ji  - good to hear this being shared. 1.5 years ago when I started simran early hours in sangat at guru ghar - a couple of months later my right ring finger grew a weird lump of cells that where protruding outwards. Doctors had no idea what it was after multiple tests. In the end I had to have a minor operation to remove this, at request I asked the surgeon to see the removal - it was like a massive root embedded in finger. They had kept it for further tests to analyze what it was. funny thing, my right hand is mostly unaffected.

That's OK...don't worry, because sometimes, it may not be practical or possible.
My core simran is usually anytime between 2am-5am.....when everyone is asleep and it's quiet, and I'm careful not to wake others up.

Doing quiet and silent jap is absolutely fine, but I would recommend doing the upward tongue roll to roof of mouth with ""Gu-Rrrru"
... you can still incorporate the very quiet "gu-Rruuu" whilst just taking a saas inwards for "wahe".

This way the actual 'word' or mantra gets completed by the action of the tongue touching the roof of the mouth..... So, going from the navel and up to the roof of mouth and back down again, a cycle of circular repetition is formed within the body and this also contributes to the beginning of amrit russ.
Most mantras are used as tools in this way, so that they complete their cycle when the tongue contacts the roof of the mouth.
..for eg....ram..hari...satnam..so-hang...Amen...

If it still not possible to do this, then don't worry either, because doing simran in the mind is what everything is aimed at.
If you are able to, then you can start off by doing quiet simran itself from the beginning.
But, I think you still need to have some kind of movement (breath, navel or even mala) that maintains that same cycle of jap.......and my wife has done it quite well in this manner.

Yeh, the sound of insects, crickets or chirping are some of the activating sounds that you hear earlier. Some people have reported buzzing as well.
These sounds are all very subtle sounds that happen when the chakras are aligning.
The unique beauty of gurmantar jap is that they will align in order automatically, as compared to how yoga likes using different mantras for each chakra.......The end goal is still the same.
However, as far as I understand, with gurmantar jap it is important to keep the techniques described as per saas graas and saas saas.....so that the dhun is from the area of navel up towards mouth..
With this combination of techniques along with gurmantar, the rising of the sukhmana- which is a straight and central nadi going all the way up, will begin.


You have to keep reminding yourself to try and ignore them and keep the focus on gurmantar.
Don't get caught up with the sounds...just take them as signals, and say to yourself "OK..that was crickets I heard, now I shall continue moving on"
Then try and forget that instance and bring focus back on to jap.
Sometimes the sounds can be just occasional instances, other times they may continue and continue, and then other times you don't even realize that they are in the background, until your dhian comes off the jap towards the end of your session.

Just continue with this self-discipline and it shouldn't be long until the anhad naad begins to appear.

Yes, just keep going!
The earlier sounds can be both sides, but when the naam sound begins to manifest....they say that it starts on the right.
This is more of a nishani, so that you know you have the correct one to focus on.
But, the earlier sounds before naam shabad can sometimes be on the left or the right.

It doesn't matter what side it starts. Just keep going! Waheguru is everywhere so why should we limit his voice to only one direction.

lol 
My stance on shaheedi degh has slightly changed. In my opinion only nihangs should take it and only use the five patey and no more. I was in india in January and I stayed at a nihang taksal and they did an akhand paath of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Sri dasam gur darbar. In the end they made shaheedi degh and served it to everybody. When I mean everybody I mean EVERYBODY. There were kids aged 10 who also drank it lol. They never got super high. I never drank any and opted for shardai instead. So my point is in moderation like 5 patey it's not the worst but how I previously encountered some druggie nihangs that should stop. After reading puratan granths/rehitnamas and seeing a few puratan pics I accept that it can be used by ONLY nihangs or anybody who lives that warrior lifestyle forever. A grishti or bhagti oriented person shouldn't take shaheedi degh ever. This also applies to jatkha. 

It should only be used when badly injured.There should be no exceptions.

I was at a nihang dal and a nihang who had to do granthi seva made some degh and he became totally out of it.Somebody else had to do the granthi seva.

I went to damdama sahib and there was a nihang make degh there.Me and my father decided to ask him some questions about the degh.We asked him what his opinion about the Bhai desa Singh rehitnama were it mentions ganja and not to use it.He said he doesn't believe in any modern rehits and he only believes what he thinks is puratan.We asked if he can live with out it and he said no.He then showed us his arm which has been broken for over 30 years.He said he doesn't need to fix it.Afterwards he got frustrated and told us to leave.If sukh Niddan make a person into an addict who doesn't repair their injuries then I don't need any of that stuff.
Also if you guys want some more stories about some Nihangs who were high just ask me.

Sukh Niddan should only be used as a painkiller when somebody is badly wounded and only then.I don't try getting high on Advil but only use it as a painkiller when my body is aching or my head is hurting bad.

We should but how is taking Sikh nidan preparing for war?

What enemies are we facing besides the panj chor?Are we getting bloodied up by people?Are we in injuries everyday?Are we living in jungles?The answer is no.We aren't in any persecution.We in the west live comfortably.Even in India the nihang Singh don't live too hard of a life.They aren't getting killed everyday or any time soon.I seen these things because I stayed in a dal for some time.

Sukh Niddan should only be used in times of war.It should only be a painkiller.What other reason is there to use it?

Xylitol i totally agree with you. Use of drugs in modern society to advance spiritually is dangerous and bad for society. Remember Timothy Leary and his buddies in the US experimenting with LSD. After experiencing short periods of mystical consciousness when returning into normal life, because they had not prepared and disciplined themselves according to a correct moral-religious teaching, they twisted what they saw and confused levels of consciousness. They spawned this decadent american culture of party hard and depravity because of this.

My point is in relation to Nihangs in the past consuming cannibus, a very different culture and attitude to nature was in Human Beings. To judge why they took it from our modern scientific-rational viewpoint is akin to judging something by standards that the thing has no conception of. The Imago MUndi of the Nihangs is not the Imago Mundi of modern 20th century man. SO to talk about the physical effects of cannibus as a sort of bottom line in judging why Nihangs took cannibus is nonsensical we can never understand why they took it if we contunue to think in the way modern society has conditioned us. And it will get harder and harder to justify certain older practices unless people start coming out of the newtonian slumber western rationalistic science has imposed upon them.

THC the active ingredient of cannibus is not an objective trigger to create a certain state in every human being. Each persons reaction will vary according to their BEING what they are, and also therefore the influences the Human is under. A human under different influences will react differently to THC. A modern bunner living in a stress society that increases tensions and useless desires in people, will react differently to a Nihang living under the open sky more in tune with nature and not having the same pressures on him as modern society. So to say THC has this affect and therefore NIhangs would not have taken it is an obliteration of the subtelties in human nature that makes us Human. Unfortunately western science has the habit to reduce humans to some sort of prima materia well if you worship matter eventually you will become it - in its pure form of course