Kaur Inder

I wasn’t comparing the two at all. I was just giving u an example like how desperate some of the youth are to get just high on something so they are going for cough syrups.. 

so what I mean is whatever their life style is (nihangs) and  I know I shouldn’t be mentioning not all of the nihangs but those who does have a strict and hard kind of life style where they might need to use it (and I didn’t know there are some nihangs who does go for horse riding nowadays so thanks for telling me that) but because of that there’s so many people who do it I would say misuse it and say we are allowed that’s what I think is not right. But who can make them understand this.. those who actually want to get high on it (when they don’t need it) they just do it and justify it on the name of god. That’s what my whole point is I’m not saying why nihangs do it coz I havent lived their lifestyle but for people like me who has a normal life we don’t need to do it.. 

and I would like to clarify  this my own statement as I remember somewhere in some other post maybe I wrote it that why do nihangs do jhatkta and marijuana.. and now I mentioned this.. it’s because before I didn’t know that they use to go for horse riding and I completely forgot about some of them also do gatka practice so that’s why I wrote that before and now this.. and the reason I’m clarifying this beforehand is because there are some people who only look at the mistakes of a person and it has happened to me before and thn they start an argument over little things. 🙏🏻

For mool mantar it’s 32 mala per day right (108 beads).. can a person do 16 mala in the morning and again 16 mala in the evening or have to do 32 mala at one time it could be morning or evening.. if u can answer plz do I’ll be grateful 
 

Yes I’m going to start with one mala first and thn after some time I might do 16-16.. it took me exact 20 mins to do one mala so it’s going to take a lot of time for me to do 32 but hopefully waheguru ji will make it happen soon.. and I do full mool mantar upto Nanak hosee bhi sach.. thanks for ur help.

How counting or doing x amount of Jaap leads to ego.. I think ego can still overtake when u do khulla pehra. Why it’s always considered that chalisa is useless and its always said that it’s the ego of a person.. I think it’s the intentions that matters whether if rememberance is done under a specific amount of time or u do it unconditionally.. whatever u said is absolutely correct that it’s not us or me who does the Jaap but it’s the mindset of a person so I think we can’t say everyone who does is egotistic.. I still have ego and ego isn’t something that can be won over night for a sinner like me but These X amount of Jaaps can help in getting over haumai if done with true intentions.

So did I said something else? That’s what I said ego is there doesn’t matter if u do khulla pehra or chalisa. But some people bring ego  within chalisa and says I did this many or he/she did this amount of paths or jaaps and with khulla they don’t judge..  It’s the intentions and how they do it and why they do it and for what they do it. It’s different for everyone. 

Oh ok I said that like that was a question from me to that poster coz he said don’t get stuck in counting and ego something like that. So I was asking him like what counting and ego.. 🙏🏻 Hanji misunderstanding ji. 

Since you came to a SIKH forum, Daas has a suggestion for you.
In Gurmat (Sikhism), Naam daan is given by Panj Pyare (Five Rehatvaan Gurmukhs). You (at your age of 18) can receive that and become a Sikh of Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj (who is the incarnation of the Almighty God). Then, if you do meditation with a pure heart (without vices)/love/devotion/concentration, etc, you will attain spiritual bliss in various forms and eventually merge with the Almighty God.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

So did I said something else? That’s what I said ego is there doesn’t matter if u do khulla pehra or chalisa. But some people bring ego  within chalisa and says I did this many or he/she did this amount of paths or jaaps and with khulla they don’t judge..  It’s the intentions and how they do it and why they do it and for what they do it. It’s different for everyone. 

Veer ji the stage you talk about is very high,
for a beginner goals and number counts are extremely helpful.
But yes, you are correct in saying that Vaheguru is the one doing the jaap.

It was a tip for you to avoid confusion. It is possible that some people (due to lack of knowledge) might provide misleading or wrong information..
Anyways, I apologize if the tone was perceived in a negative way by you.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

Bhen Ji thats good cos it takes time to do big number mala jaaps but i am glad i could help

Yes I’m going to start with one mala first and thn after some time I might do 16-16.. it took me exact 20 mins to do one mala so it’s going to take a lot of time for me to do 32 but hopefully waheguru ji will make it happen soon.. and I do full mool mantar upto Nanak hosee bhi sach.. thanks for ur help.

Oh ok thank u so much.. 🙂

Yes I’m going to start with one mala first and thn after some time I might do 16-16.. it took me exact 20 mins to do one mala so it’s going to take a lot of time for me to do 32 but hopefully waheguru ji will make it happen soon.. and I do full mool mantar upto Nanak hosee bhi sach.. thanks for ur help.

Also one thing i would like to add is rather than doing 32 malas in one day you can start step by step if you find hard to do that many malas as it can cause tirdness and headaces.
Like you can start from 1 to 5 then 10 and onwards in the start. 
 
However if you are easy with doing 16 in morning and 16 in evening do go ahead.
 
Also finally some people say mool mantar is up to Jap or Gurparsad but make sure it is done to Nanak Hoise Be Sach as i have posted a link in my previous posts of what happened when Sant Harnam Singh Ji didn't read it fully. 
 

Thats ok glad i can help

Bhen ji i heard in Gyani Thakur Singh's katha that it can be done half half 50/50 of 32 jaaps or malas. I don't have the link right now but its ok as he said it in his katha that Baba Harnam Singh Ji Rampurkhera Wale said its as they did 16 in morning 16 in evening.

there's several new posts on the finalevolution.blogspot.com blog:

I would like to share some gems I gained from Gyani Takhur Singh ji's Japji Sahib Viakhya.
I would like to share some gems I gained from Gyani Takhur Singh ji's Japji Sahib Viakhya. Unfortunately, at that time in my life my Punjabi skills were very limited so I could not extract as much information as I wished; ie, I missed a ton. Nevertheless, I'll share what I have and hopefully it will help. Note that I only wrote down points that are actionable. The actual katha itself is over 50 hours long in its totality.

• Jatt ? Tiag ? viaraag
• There is a big phall (reward) for reciting all of the Guru’s names in meditation. “Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji”…. All the way to “Dhan Dhan Mata Sahib Kaur Ji”.
• Bani of the fourth and ninth Guru are filled with vairaag.
• When reciting Bani, try your best to pronounce it correctly. Pronounciation mistakes are huge, like missing zeros in a cheque.
• Recognize that we have no power to speak or be silent, sit or stand, laugh or cry etc. Waheguru is the True Doer.
• Just sitting in sangat is beneficial because it helps to fix our bad karms
• Before doing any big karm (deed), make karah prasaad.
• Bhagti is difficult, it is like going against the flow of the current.
• Try to see God’s will as easy and for our benefit.
• Keep Fear of God in mind, it will make it easier to stay away from bad karms.
• To stay in Agya (The Guru’s hukum) is a huge seva.
• We learn sweet speech, rehni (to stay in rehit), behni (how to sit ), and dhiraj (forbearance) from the sadh sangat.
• Imagine that Waheguru is in your hirda while you are doing simran
• When you hear Bani and simran, think of it as the Guru singing to you. See it as Dhur ki Bani.
• Remember that that the jeev atma (your soul) and Brahman are one and the same. The jeev’s saroop is the prakash that you see inside of you. Keep you dhian in this saroop as much as you can.

@Kaur Inder - Please listen to the link below. Gyani jee explains who can eat meat in Sikhism. Meat was primarily eaten by Sikhs (of the 18th century) for survival purposes.
http://kam1825.podbean.com/e/who-can-eat-chatka-and-what-effect-does-it-have-on-the-individual/
 
 
Bhul chuk maaf

Shaheedi degh has been used since the times of the Guru Sahib, and the khalsa was never a Vegetarian religion. Now in sikhi there are three paths. One is the path of bhagti, one is path of ghristi and one is path of the warrior. The sikh who follows the path of bhagti and or ghristi should not consume meat. The khalsa that is following the path of the warrior is allowed to partake in jhatka meat and ONLY jhatka. No other meat is allowed. 
 
Sant Baba Surjeet Singh Ji Nihang does not eat meat because they are on the path of bhagti and teaching.

Bhen ji as i am not a Nihang yet and i am not the right person to answer this question as many Nihangs or members will get offended. But i have found these videos explaining it.
 
 
 

Bhen Ji i don't eat meat of any kind and if i do join Budha Dal i still wouldn't touch it. But its a very controversal subject which i don't touch or start. As it can or offend many people here
 
So here is a video in short by Basics of Sikhi listen at 2:30 onwards and here is another video by a nihang singh. 
 
 

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Following is an article on NAAM picked up from Living Treasure forum.
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SIX QUESTIONS

WHO AM I ?

WHERE DID I COME FROM ?

WHAT IS THE MEANING AND PURPOSE OF MY EXISTENCE ?

HOW CAN I FREE MYSELF FROM EARTHLY BONDAGE ?

WHY IS GOD SO INDIFFERENT ?

WHERE AM I GOING ?



To answer these six questions on the basis of Gurbani, basic
understanding of principle components of Sikhism ie God, Naam and
Maya is required.This will be discussed briefly below:

God is One (Ik) Supreme Being Who has manifested Himself in His
creation (akaar) thru His Shabad (Ooom). The Shabad is the Word He
uttered to create the universe. That Word is called Naam in SGGS.

"Keeta passao eko kwaao."

Thru His Naam God created the universe using five elements, which are
air, water, fire earth and space.

"Panch tutt kar Tudh shrisht sabh saaji."

God first created Himself and then created Naam and from Naam He
created the nature (physical universe) and is sitting inside each of
His creation and is rejoicing.

"Aapine Aaap saajio Aspine rachio Naam Dooey kudrat saajiey kar aasan
ditho chaao.

"Naam ke dhare sagle jant Naam ke dhare khand brahmand

"Naam ke dhare akaash pataal. Naam ke dhare sagal akaar."

Naam, when it is in our body is called Soul. When we hear it
as 'anhad shabad' is called Shabad. When we see it inside, it is
called Jot. It is to this Shabad that mind has to link toduring
meditation. It is this Shabad what Guru Nanak Dev Ji calls 'Shabad
Guru'.

The entire universe is woking or running under His order (Hukam) and
nothing is out of His control. "Hukmen under sabh ko, bahar Hukam
na koey."

His Hukam is also His Naam. "Eka Naam Hukam hai, Nanak Satgur dia
bujhaey jio."

Thus His Naam is His Word, His Powe, His Hukam, His Light(Jot) His
Intelligence, His Wisdom, His Love and everything that God is. Naam
is actually God's extension into His universe running it as per His
Will. Nature is not here forever running by itself but at God's
command. He expands it whenever He feels like and withdraws it to
Himself at His own pleasure. He has done it many a time.

"Tis bhave tan kare bisthar. Tis bhave tan ikankar."

"Kaee bar pasrio passar"

In His creation are countless number of animate and inanimate
(visible and invisible) objects, millions of species (8.4 millions in
SGGS) who are part of nature and are doing whatever He planned for
them.

"Jee jant sabh Tudh upaaey, Jit jit bhana tit tit laaey."

The whole universe is His playground and He is palying His game and
watching it and enjoying it.

"Apna khel aap kar dekhe". "Mere Thakur rachan rachaya."

The entire visible universe we are living in and made out of five
elements is His Maya. Our physical bodies are part of this Maya.
Among the creatures on this planet, human stands supreme and other
species on this planet are subservient to him. " Avar jon teri
panhaari, is dahrti mehn teri sikdaari."

All creatures are born to die under His Hukam and then reincarnate
under His Hukam. "Jamna marna Hukam hai bhaney aave jaaey."

So all beings reincarnate from one form to the next higher form as
per His will. Thus many a live could be spent as a worm, insect,
elephent, fish, deer, bird, snake, yoked as an ox or a horse till you
are ready to meet the Lord, this human body is fashioned for
you. "Kaee janam bhaey keet patanga.

"Kaee janam gaj .meen karanga Kaee janam punkhi sarap hoiyo. Kaee
janam haiver brikh joiyo. Mil Jagdeesh milan ki baria. Chirankaal eh
deh sanjaria."

Another point to observe here is that evolution is not of the body
but mind. When mind is evolved enough in one physical form it will be
given the next higher form for its further development. The ultimate
form is human where the mind is most developed and has the
opportunity to cross over to the higher spiritual side under the
guidance of Satguru who was sent to humanity by God to help it
realise the purpose of life and to achieve the goal of uniting with
the Source, that is God from where the life started. Mind is also
made out of five elements and does all the thinking,deeds and duties
during the life time of the physical body.

"Eh mun karman eh mun dharman eh mun punch tutt te junman".

It has an intoxicating love for the Maya, the world we live in. This
has led the mind astray from reality and the world becomes an end in
itself. Thus Maya makes mind forget God, produce attachment to the
world and leads to duality.

"Eh Maya jit Har visre moh upje bhao dooja laya."

Maya influences the mind in three modes: Rajas, Tamas and Satvic.
Each mode produces different thoughts in the mind.

Rajas mode creates hopes, ambitions, anxieties, worries etc. Tamas
mode creates lust, anger, greed, attachments, ego, duality, hatred,
slandering etc. Satvic mode creates kindness, contentment, sense of
duty, discipline, charity etc. Life under these modes is called life
in 'Bhavjal Sagar' or Ocean of Life. Mind under the influence of
rajas and tamas modes gets polluted and can't think of reality of its
spiritual nature. The only way to cleanse it is by Nectar of Naam.
The pool of nectar of Naam lies inside the human body.

"Bhariey mutt papan ke sang oh dhope Navey ke rang."

"Kayan under amritsar saach."

" Suniey munniey mun keeta bhao, untergutt tirath mul nhao."

The mind has to cleanse itself by bathing in this pool of nectar.

"Mael gaee mun nirmal hoaa Amritsar tirath nahey."

Now only Satguru can help us reach this pool of nectar where mind can
cleanse itself . This is done by meditating on the gurmantra under
the guidance of the Satguru. This can be discussed separately to
avoid length of this missive. Once the mind is pure it is ready to
meet with the Lord but has to await for His Grace. Once mind receives
His Grace, it gets into its own home.

'nij ghar/thir ghar' from where it can go to God's mansion, 'sehj
ghar "Nij ghar bass sehj ghar laeey."

Now I think we could be ready for the answers to the questions.



WHO AM I ?

I am a human, child of God born on this planet earth as per His Will.
Inside my body is my mind and soul housed in another subtle
body. "Sookham moorat Naam Niranjan kayan ka akaar."

I am a Sikh of Satguru Guru Granth Sahib and am trying to understand
life, its mission, and make the best of this opportunity under His
Guidance.My body has nine openings which deal with outside world but
there is an invisible mental door which opens to the higher spiritual
world of God to which I really belong. My mind is personification of
Soul which is part of God inside me.

" Mun toon Jot saroop hain"



WHERE DID I COME FROM ?

This body I have was gifted to me by God thru the union of my father
and mother. "Maat pita sanjog upaaey rakat bind kar pind keeya,"

My mind and soul which were also gifted to me during my first ever
birth on this planet have moved thru millions of other species as
part of creation process of God and finally been awarded this human
form, which is the supreme physical form on this planet.



WHAT IS MEANING AND PURPOSE OF MY EXISTENCE?

The purpose of life in the human body is to reunite with God. The way
to achieve this goal is by remembrance of His Naam in the company of
sadh sangat. Nothing else is of any avail to us. One has to prepare
to cross this 'bhavjal'-the ocean of Maya, otherwise the life is
getting wasted being involved in the lure of Maya.

"Bhaee prapat manukh dehuria, Gobind milan ki ehei teri barai. Avar
kaaj tere kite na kaam, Mil sadh sangat bhaj kewal Naam. Saranjam
laag bhavjal taran ke, Janam birtha jaat rang Maya ke."

A simple guidance to lead this life purposefully and successfully is
to live it with positive initiative, earn your living honestly and
enjoy the comforts and boons of human life and at the same time meet
the Lord thru remembrance of His Holy Naam, which will take all your
worries away

" Uddam krendian jio too, kmanvdian sukh bhunch. Dhiandian too Prabhu
mil Nanak utri chint."



HOW CAN I FREE MYSELF FROM EARTHLY BONDAGE?

Earthly bondage is the bondage of Maya on the mind with thoughts
of 'raj gun' and 'tam gun'.So we have to ferry across the 'bhavjal
sagar' with the help of meditation on gurmantra provided to us by
Satguru. This will take our mind to where there is no air, fire,
water and earth which means no Maya (at this stage, mind stops
thinking and this state is called 'sunn' in SGGS).There lies the true
Naam of the True Lord which will pull the mind out of this ocean of
Maya.

"Satguru hai bohitha shabad langhavanhaar. Tithai pavan na pavko na
jal na akaar Tithe sacha sach Naey bhavjal taranhaar."

His True Naam cleans up the mind and makes it ready to meet the
Lord .When union is achieved with His Grace; the shackles of Maya are
permanently broken.

WHY IS GOD INDIFFERENT?

It is not God who is indifferent, but our mind who does not think
about Him because it is engrossed in Maya and seeking happiness
there. When the problems come because of of its doings (karams), then
it starts praying to God and when things don' go its way, it starts
complaining and thinks God is indifferent. God still hears the
complaints and prayers but let the mind go thru its own created
problems for its learning. God is sitting inside everybody as Soul
and watching the mind's actions and even providing guidance from time
to time but mind does not pay much attention to it. Then it receives
happiness and grief for its own good and bad karma.

Manda changa aapna ,aapey hi keeta pavana."



WHERE I AM GOING?

Life on this planet is given to us for fixed time .God gives us
counted number of breaths and days and cannot be changed even by a
fraction.

"Gin ghale sab divas saas Na badhan ghatan til saar."

When life is given to us, the destiny is already written downland
Dharam Rai, the judge on our karmas is also sent with us.

"Nanak jee upaaeike likh naaven Dharanm bahaliya."

Along with Dharam Rai is Chittar Gupt, who checks on our thoughts and
actions in every breath we take, keeps account of it and submit a
report to Dharam Rai. Then there are 'Jumdoots ' whose job is to pull
our subtle body out of our physical body after we take the last
breath and presents it to Dharam Rai who has our report card from
Chittar Gupt. A judgment is pased on our karmas and next life form is
decided for some immediately and some have to wait and suffer in hell
before are given another chance. There are innumerable sufferings in
terrible hells, which are places for the ungrateful people.

"Narak ghor bauh dukh ghane akirtghana ka thaan."

Those who commit sins are definitely robbed, Azrail or Jum seizes
them and tortures them, the creator Lord put them in hell and the
judge asks them to render the account.

"Paap krendar sarpar muthe. Azrail phare phar kuthe. Dojak paaey
sirjan hare , Lekha munge baniaa"

For those who had tried very hard to reach God but could not win. His
grrace though their minds had become clean, they become angels and go
to what we call heaven. The angels don't have to get born but they
are stuck in that place and cant meet the Lord and are praying to God
again to let them have the human body so that they can do
enough 'bhagti' to be lucky enough to be with the Lord .

"Is dehi ko simrai dev,so dehi bhaj Har ki sev."

However Gurmakhs who had been lucky during their life time and with
their 'bhagti' and were able to win the Grace of God, became 'jivan
mukat' are escorted to 'Sehaj Ghar',God's Mansion. Dharam Rai
welcomes them, their accounts already settled (no files). For them
this ardous journey comes to an end and they achieve permanent peace
and bliss in the presence of God. This is what Guru Ji recommends to
his Sikhs: Dont seek 'raaj' or 'mukti'.but the love of God in His
presence.

"Raaj na chahon mukat na chahon Mun preet charan kamlan re."

For a manmukh however, the cycle of birth and death continuesand he
suffers great punishment on this long journey.

"Jam jam marey marey phir jamey. Bauht sajaaey paiaa des lammey."

Seeking forgiveness for errors in quoting gurbani and gurmat.