samurai2

Priceless..
sarcastic comments on someone who is abrupt and straight to the point.. compared to silence against the pappus and flowery people on here talking shite at times... 
The response on this topic indicates a clear distinction between a sikh and Singh's mentality. 
Its not an ego battle but the ultimate pursh is a sant sipahi... many here are just saintly peolple, they are not yodeh. 
"just" not being disrespectful..
Making weapons legal for a sikh in any country is a welcome all day
The fact they don't want weapons legal, just shows they are a bunch of rich boys who aint seen sh1te ..and live in a flowery world. 
 
 

become men...true warriors..not talk...

Sikhs/Singhs have always been outnumbered. The fact you are basing your judgment on quantity rather than quality in itself goes to show who your Guru is. Ek se sava lakh comes to mind. 
 
He's a fat prick, simple as. The fact you are inclined with his thoughts shows you are also a lund. 
Also that "fearless" phudu needs govt protection? when does a real Singh Yodha need protection? He's got his cheleh to protect him, hasn't he?
These missionary lunds are really growing in numbers, all good as it proves kalyug growing as well.. 

can you provide a reference that Guru Gobind Singh Ji did not provide one way to pronounce it..??
 
 

@dalsingh101
I tried to re-read but went back to where i last read... im at the point of where Surjit goes to india...
i think you should kick this discussion off...ill prob finish this the book the weekend..
Im not good at this stuff, in terms of forum structure etc..

@dalsingh101
I am up to the point where Sarbit went on honeymoon.
Having read your initial post (again), i am going to re-read this with a notepad expressing my personal views/opinions .. Initially i thought i would just read and give a general view...but i think it deserves more respect 
 

Cool, i've ordered the book now so will give my input a little later...

Cool, i've ordered the book now so will give my input a little later...

First thing. If you got a 'recard' from this ish, don't see it as a stain, see it as a badge of honour. Trust me you aren't the only one - I've known and met a bunch of brothers in the same boat, up and down the country. If you've come up like you sound you have (and again you aren't the only one -  even if you ((we)) are in a minority). I'm going to tell you something someone told me decades ago - when I was a younger, confused 'troubled guy'. Those tough times you've seen is Waheguru's hukam - if anything, it's Guru ji's way of toughening you up for bigger, greater challenges in future. Challenges that the average, apna fudhu could never deal with. 
Strange isn't it. You might think that you are alone in what you wrote above but I know that other people (myself included), were saying the same thing in the late 90s. More than 25 years have passed, and I'd say some progress has been made in this respect (but not nearly enough). In my opinion, the personalised key to the above issues (if you're dealing with these issues on an individual basis) is spirituality, namely meditation (what we call naam simran) and a consistent effort to slowly (sehajay sehajay) move in the right direction.  I tell you, a lot of these things are psychologically based and from personal experience I've found simran (as well as education, but not necessarily the formal type) can help big time. It helps by making a person first (slowly) grasp their wider situation in their head, which consequently gives them an opportunity to slowly start trying to turn things around. I myself don't advocate overnight drastic changes (though this works for some). I recommend a gradual move in the right direct because it is more realistic and sustainable. If you've come from a family background where such things are a norm (like many Panjabis do  despite the overall denial of the delusional majority), then strive to be that barrier that doesn't perpetuate the dysfunction. I know the eastside can be, and has been tough as f**k to come up in (you should have seen how f**ked up the 70s/80s were!). So it doesn't really surprise me that olders who came up in that turn out a certain way. That might explain some of the family situations yoiu might have witnessed (though it doesn't necessarily excuse everything).
This forum helped me in untold ways back in the day when I was practically on my knees. Just take those small steps in the right direction. When you do this, at some point in the future, you'll find yourself (unexpectedly if my experiences are anything to go by) in new territory.
I seriously advocate self-development on a skills basis as a strategy. Over the last decade I've improved my language skills (both English and Gurmukhi), physical fitness, my grasp of our own heritage - away from the constricting confines of pendu 'Sikhism' towards the empowering energy of Sikhi. Our people won't deal with the more negative aspects of alcoholism because historically they've been the number one beneficiaries of selling alcohol (and fags) to the masses through off licenses and booze warehouses, especially in East London (incidentally an industry I inadvertently stumbled into as a job seeking school leaver, so I've got inside knowledge on that). 
Ultimately, no man or men (or women) can help us in such things. You have to tune into and lean on the powerful spirit of our Guru for this. Waiting for apnay to come through in such things is nothing short of futility in my eyes.  
 
Bhagat is a product of his upbringing. Despite an excessively sheltered upbringing, at least his parents did good by developing his artistic skills to a high degree. Most of the other silver spoons in our panth (and I know you would've seen and met hordes of those mfs like I have!!) don't even contribute that much. My criticism of him is that he needs to get out more and experience the grimey, nitty gritty of real life. As well as increasing his limited duniya-dhari, I've got a sneaking suspicion that it might even take his artwork to a next level. MF needs to be a Sikh Frank Miller and not f**king Walt Disney. lol
 
You know it's crazy because Prem Sumrag granth (a puratan Sikhi influenced granth rejected by post-annexation Singh Sabha 'Sikhism' exponents), makes your last point explicitly. Even way before this (if you think about it)  - that very topic is one at the heart of Dasam Granth's Charitrio Pakyaan! So lack of awareness/understanding of this matter doesn't stem from any shortcoming of Sikh education but rather as a consequence of following Anglo paradigms that were slipped into the panth during colonisation. 
 
You! Keep your f**king head up! Yeah it can be tough, but rely on your true father (dasmesh pita) to keep you afloat in all the crazy ish you see and will see in future! And f**k all these pussies you see around you. These 'Rai Singhs' have been around from day one. F**k them and all they are about.  

Thanks for the words Bro, appreciate it. I'll always care just sometimes you get fed up with mentality of the panth, our panth. 
i agree with your theory in general, but its also the comfortable lifestyle many sikhs have now. Too comfortable, work-money-holidays...thats life now (this includes average joey panjabi moneh sikhs to the full on amritdharis), attitude being "if its not on our doorstep, it aint our problem", our doorstep meaning immediate fam, when for people like me and you our doorstep means those born under the umbrella of baba nanak. 
Also totally agree, alot has been achieved... however my personal opinion is, just wait for the next wave. This is not me being pessimistic,  but these sulleh are f**kin organised as s**t, not just the groomers, the whole islamic panth are organised and loyal to their belief. 
 
theres so much that can be said on this topic, it will just open up a can of worms...we will have to dissect the she male sikhs/panjabi/amritdharis/confused tattus...also look closely at the demonic islam religion and the era we are currently in..
 
Sorry bro, been lazy.. just typing as i would speak..so apologies for grammer mistakes, and if this pisses you off then.... deal with it..lol

They're asleep, having some multicultural lovefest. The only positive is that - if what's been going on here is tried over there (that's if it is not going on already), they'll at least have the understanding that it has taken place elsewhere now (thanks to us here in England). It wouldn't surprise me if this stuff is rampant in the US btw. 
And don't ever 'not care' brother. However it might appear to you, a lot of progress has been made (on the back of many brothers sacrifices). The reality is that more apnay (and apneean) are aware of what goes on than EVER before. But we've got deep routed sheep coward mentality going on (which is a legacy of colonialism in my opinion), just got to keep chipping away at it. 
The other thing I noticed is that psychologically and physically weak male apnay (as well as the greedy) try and hide away or play down this stuff because it causes cognitive dissonance about their own kumzori. They'd rather attack the messengers than face up to reality. That's a dumb tactic because they'll have to face up to it eventually. 
You got to admit, a lots been achieved. When we've got our own people's stupid gullibility mixed with a long standing and determined attempt to hide this issue by the British media, police and social services, maybe it isn't too surprising that things are slower than we'd like?

Mate, it's never going to stop only get worse, as the "new" sulleh are either the mirpuri's doing such scum shit or the pataans shaggings sikh girls and putting that shit on the net.
I was a little surprised (i don't know why) when i heard a lot of sikh girls getting abortions from their paki lovers from b'ham. 
No point going into all this as you know the score with SP back in the day. It's just pappus in charge now. It goes back to your point of the topic you started in regards to Rai Singh, its spiritual type of people trying to be warriors. Advising on worldly politics which is what they are trying to get away from in the first place as its connected with maya.. they doing more damage then good. 

I do not see an issue with the odd industrial language with members who are comfortable with it, all be it with your 'admin cut' replacing it. Yes, agree if it is seen as aggressive to certain members who cannot engage in such a language, then fair enough. 
I really just want to know why?
Its a topic on Nihnags, war, battle.. of course you are going to get language that at times will be vulgar. Its expected, as its more aggressive, boisterous, masculine etc. (tamoguni if you like)
Just like in the meditation topic who will hear very much sweat words and soft tone.  As it more flowery, calm, turn the other cheek etc. 
just to add, its never personal. I'll call crystal a prick and think Amarjeet is actually one, but its nothing personal. I consider both my fellow sikhs. When it comes to politics there will always be disagreements etc but ultimately we are under the same umbrella..

pure pink Himalayan salt.. soak it in hot water (hot enough to tolerate not burn) for roughly 15-30 mins, then run cold water on the ankle..hope this helps

pure pink Himalayan salt.. soak it in hot water (hot enough to tolerate not burn) for roughly 15-30 mins, then run cold water on the ankle..hope this helps

This person is a sexual predator, the so called panth do not want to admit it as he generates soo much money to any gurdwara, as his basic emotional sikhi touches other g*ys.
 
 
 
 

mate you need to shut your noise, cos you aint got a clue. Did you meet joginder singh? have you ever? if not why?
please dont tell me your one of those keyboard warriors and then bricks it..if not, so what are you doing? you in uk? you fighting grooming? what you doing bro? what you doing for your panth?
 

It is well known, that sikh men in 1947 would give their daughters tablets of poison to take if muslims men took over the trains going from now pakiland to now panjab. rather than getting raped by these scums, is this considered  honour killing?
There is a recent case in the old baily  (only serious crimes) in london where a paki father got his daughter raped and killed as a honour killing..