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10 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Please read the first post in this thread. 

Medical attention can possibly include usage of prescription drugs, supplements, etc.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Nothing is more effective than Naam

Again n again m saying-  it's okay if they use it in jung as a pain killer or as a medicine .. Not for strength, pleasure, bliss, refreshment and whatever he has wrongly quoted but you guys are so busy blaming that now once and for all think watever you may have to-

my Guru Sahib never ever supported any kind of Nasha hope you guys know the meaning( m NOT saying MEDICINE) 

Bhai Sahab ji has clearly clarified that there isn't any such medical condition as tinnitus, it's only an ignorance when those who aren't able to diagnose it- understand it has termed it. 

On 7/16/2021 at 1:28 PM, Kaur10 said:

Tinnitus symptoms are also experienced by people who are alcoholic,  smoke,  far away from any spirituality. I think it is Anhad Naad for naam abyiaasis or spiritual people

Many people have previous janam kamais they don't even know of.  Plus when your mind stops thinking be it under the influence of intoxicants or under the influence of bhakti (remember naam khumari-) you get cut off from the world-  you start hearing Anhad. The purpose is different but path tends to mix and thus the effect is the same -  silence.. 

Bhai sahab clearly mentions in other kathas that bhakti starts at the onset of these sounds... Meaning - Mind- thinking- ego- mai, meri stops.. Silence onsets- Bhakti starts... 

Lol now won't they need drugs then? When I was trying to say that Sarab rog ka aukhad is naam -- that is what guru Sahib has preached, believed and practiced.. you were quoting false stories. .. How can you believe on two contradictions at the same time? Which one is you? Or is there a psychological error? 

Your precious comments @GurjantGnostic

26 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

People keep quoting this without reading the whole shabad in context. 

I'm actually interested in old texts, like I said before, I don't necessarily literally believe in them all, but I still think we should not hide them like you are suggesting. We've had enough of that already. 

 

BTW bhen ji, have you read this from an eye witness to the anglo-Sikh war?

 

I am aware that you are interested in old writings and texts so you must be knowing how they were altered many times to finish n defame sikhi...YOU AGREED THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THEM SO Y SUPPORTING THE WRONG..

Also please compare -  what you have posted to what has been posted by paapiman. You are mentioning its use as a medicine when a sikh is hurt in the jung and he is mentioning it as a source of strength - to keep sikhs in bliss -- really? 

As for @GurjantGnostic one more time please read properly before commenting- #1. there's no point in supporting what u haven't read 

#2 there's no point in me answering to a passersby comment as it was quoted above by you. 

3 hours ago, paapiman said:

Sri Satguru jee might have used Cannabis as a medical supplement too.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Again.. Pls correct yourselves ONLY as medicinal supplements and that too on others. 

4 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

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I just think that Panjabi culture used these things in various ways outside of getting off your head.

And I understand that we have a serious chittah problem in Panjab, but I think those fuddhus would do it regardless of what any old granth says.  

See thas my point of 'larai' is - why post such things on a forum where many sikhs and non sikhs visit to give them a wrong impression of your own Guru Sahibs quoting these false stories about Guruji. He's Sarab kala samarthan he wouldn't need these things and reading this kind of stuff may let people relate those ' chittaah fudus to my Guru Sahib' - we can't let that happen. Pls ask him to remove these false stories mentioning Guru Sahib consumed these things for refreshment, power etc

Krodh n rosh are two different aspects.. If I don't get in krodh when a paapiman is writing crap about My Guru Sahib I am better not alive

@dalsingh101 veerji - he's writing caanbis as refreshing drink etc for Guru Sahib , also mentioning that Guru Hargobind Sahib used to consume it. - As a Medicine I understand is a different aspect

@GurjantGnostic so you agree that Real sikhs like Baba Deep Singh ji has the Jog abilities mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib ji to keep himself intoxicated in the love of Guru and don't need any outside Nasha. So read the fake codes above where he's defaming Gurus themselves taking this crap... My larai is not about medicine. You guys didn't read his quotes then... N Btw

Guru Granth Sahib covers everything - our nervous system, Human brain and what not? Study about today's science on human brain and you will get to know that an average human being like me and you doesn't use even 10%of our brains. Our brains have a lot of power. Guru k sikhs and Guru ji himself developed this power by bhakti, where they can use their nerves to heal, cut off from pain etc  

18 hours ago, paapiman said:

bring large amounts of Cannabis and black pepper" - Guru Gobind Singh (manglacharan.com)

 

Bhul chuk maaf

See Mister this is no baani.. These are all false stories.. So you better stop promoting these crappy stuff else YOUR BHOOL CHUK IS NOT MAAF cos this is INTENTIONAL no bhool

None of the Sikh Gurus ever supported Nasha . Period

On 9/13/2010 at 5:54 AM, laalsingh said:

Time and space are two (of infinite) aspects of 'maya'. Feeling of space gives us illusion of being separated from others.

There are moments where this whole 'thing' looks like one single incident. Illusion of time makes us believe otherwise.

This is superb .. Can some Gurmukh please elaborate more on this so that I can get more insight on the concept.  

5 hours ago, paapiman said:

bring large amounts of Cannabis and black pepper" - Guru Gobind Singh (manglacharan.com)

 

Bhul chuk maaf

See Mister this is no baani.. These are all false stories.. So you better stop promoting these crappy stuff else YOUR BHOOL CHUK IS NOT MAAF cos this is INTENTIONAL no bhool

None of the Sikh Gurus ever supported Nasha . Period

Now! As for Bhakti let me tell you wats mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib ji. He says

ਜੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡੇ ਸੋਈ ਪਿੰਡੇ ਜੋ ਖੋਜੈ ਸੋ ਪਾਵੈ ॥

Jo Brehamanddae Soee Pinddae Jo Khojai So Paavai ||

The One who pervades the Universe also dwells in the body; 

ਜੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡੇ ਸੋਈ ਪਿੰਡੇ ਜੋ ਖੋਜੈ ਸੋ ਪਾਵੈ ॥

Jo Brehamanddae Soee Pinddae Jo Khojai So Paavai ||

The One who pervades the Universe also dwells in the body; 

So when one sits in Bhakti they generate the super energy and intoxication of mind called - Sunn - (quietness) to enter the state of silence- samaadhi. All the abhiyaasi sikhs would know it as they experience it daily. There's a mention of such harmone being produced in the mind by Lucky veerji somewhere here on the forum. So the way these natural herbs grow on the earth they are produced in one's mind as well -- Kabir jee call it taari    We read it as Naam khumaari too--- Guru k Chardikala waale singhs were capable enough to do this JOG and get United in the feet of the Lord plus get the power to win any yudhh -- so please stop spreading these jhooti kahaniyaa and if you have little awareness - don't read them yourself too - else you won't be able to save yourself as well cos NO VIVEKI sikh is going to believe the crap you have posted - only few foolish followers may - dubb mooye bug bapde sir tull upar paav- along with - SO EVERYONE BE AWARE

I am sorry for being rude but I mean each n every word of it 

Kaal is working so well here.. People are supporting lies by quoting jhooti baani from here n there. All these are fraudulent writings - is it anywhere mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib?? Is paapiman a real paapiman trying to degrade sikhi ?? 

Supporting nasha which is a bajjar kurehat and ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE who helped punjab turn into Urda punjab?? All pakhandis grossed in chitta? And the worst part is that you are quoting it Under the name of my Gurus. I feel like hitting you ON THE FACE. SUCH A SHAME. 

How can admin allow such crap --@sarabatamveerji

I tell you all if there is a flaw or a problem in a person's house he doesn't go out Blabbering about it to the whole world rather he tries to conceal it- the way Muslims conceal sunnat or Bakar id behind pious stories. BUT YOU PEOPLE ARE BAD NAMING A RELIGION WHICH DOESN'T HAVE ANY FLAWS. HOW dare you? If you call yourselves sikhs then I am ashamed of being a part of it

@paapiman please remove all this crap from a public forum and if you support drugs do it in your house not under the name of MY GURUS -   I warn you. 

21 hours ago, sevak said:

gsm52, "> Myself I know very little about such things. But there can be an example like -- where one might have an experience of a mental state and find great pleasure, then the next time that person again tries only to reach and feel that same mental state, slowly and steadily the mental state becomes an attachment and not to soon the aspirant thinks that this is the Final End.

I see all mental states as illusions of the mind and deception of maya. For example, when you dive in water.. you slowly feel the water around your body and then as you keep diving deeper you start feeling the pressure of water around your body. But you never get attached to these feelings. Similarly during Naam Simran / MEDITATION a person will definitely feel different things and experience different things but those are not final end and those are not required to be paid attention. Just observe and let them go. The moment you put a label on them, then you are attaching yourself to it. 

The original poster --- sunn smaadh is a SUPER HIGH CONCENTRATED FOCUS of the mind. The mind is fine tuned and the focus so sharp its like a knife pushing onto a single point with infinite force. At such super high concentration all PERCEPTION OF TIME AND SPACE is lost. You will feel that Time itself was false. There is no past or future. When the mind is super high focus you begin to realize that even the breath is tied in with the mechanism of thinking. When fernay in the mind stop completely even the breath stops. Bodily functions begin to stop. I have had glimpses of these states several decades ago.  In order to reach such super high concentrations, you have to start splitting time. For example seconds to micro-seconds, to micro-micro-micro-seconds and the more splitting you keep doing the more focussed your mind gets, ultimately you will realize that when time stops even the breathing stops. With this I was finally able to reach the conclusion that the all bodily functions and body itself is a product of the thinking mind. 

The end result is that --- these are states, samadhis it does NOT really matter, unless and until you are able to implement in your day to day life. Again, these states are useless without the Love Prema Bhagti of God. How will a gulab jamun taste if I give it to you without adding sugar in it. In the someway mental states experienced through meditation w.o. prema bharti are fikka (bland taste). Ultimately, if you get tooo much attached and focussed on sitting in these states all the time, then you loose out on Guru Kirpa which is the final quest. Once you get Guru Kirpa (Gur parsaad as in Mool Mantar, that is the final goal to be strived for). These states can also be ego boasters. If I experience any state I just let it pass on. 

Please read kathas of Baba Nand Singh Sahib ji. Every time you notice that his focus was on simplicity, prema, respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. He did not dwell to much on the inner mechanism and workings of the mind. Similarly, if you read Gurbani the focus is always on prem and ustat of Waheguru all the time. Waheguru is bhukha of love and emotion. That is the food you need to give to Waheguru.  If you want to sit in Samadhi, that you can also sit and Waheguru dont care much about it either, there are Yogis sitting for 100s years in Samadhi. They practiced and perfected the art of focussing and concentrating the mind, but still they did not get Waheguru. 

 

Amazing! 

Very well explained. Thank you Worldly chores doesn't allow me to sit in Samaadhi for long and I always wondered will I hv to come back? Thank you. You made my day. I know my answer now. 

On 2/5/2021 at 2:57 AM, Guest Samarbir Singh said:

This morning when i was listening to katha of Bhai Simranjit Singh Tohana at the end of the video he explained how to do simran correctly and slowly slowly i believe i went into sunn because i couldnt feel my body and had antargat simran going BUT i still thoughts coming in and i did about a hour simran during amritvela is that supose to be happening please let me know if this was sunn and if should do more simran during amritvela because i wake up at 3 and shower and begin my amritvela. Im am not Amritdari but are practicing to take amrit in 2 years.

That's a starting stage veerji.. way to go! You will get different experiences as you would learn to sit in sunn.. one day you may feel u r flying, other day you may be expanding or contracting or falling... Sometimes we feel a suction on the head.. I perceive all these are ways of HIM letting us know of his presence

On 1/20/2021 at 10:36 AM, Guest Prabhtej said:

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

I would just like to clarify that the sehaj dhun, i.e the high frequency sound in your ears is actually shabad and you must listen to it. it is 1 shabad out of the 5 shabads.Some people might say not to listen it but you will observe that it will become loud sometimes indicating that waheguru ji wants us to listen to it.

Also aim of waheguru simran is first getting rid of thoughts, and going into sehaj while listening to sehaj dhun.Going into sehaj is what we call sleeping.some people recommend don't sleep when doing gurmantar and to actually fight sleep, but you cannot go to the other plane without leaving this body.

Also the path to meet waheguru ji is a path of love and not of hard work or knowledge.With love do gurmantar and with love listen to sehaj dhun.With such love only will we be able to meet waheguru ji.

 

This is the knowledge i gained while staying at gurmat meditation , run by dharamjit singh ji.There are many people doing prachaar but they have not met  Waheguru Ji themselves.You must be careful while taking advice and match it from guru Granth Sahib JI.

Please look into this youtube channel for more info-https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4wAq7dpnCUam5krI0jYRsQ

4 hours ago, ragnarok said:

I don't agree with this message people are getting from somewhere that you should fall asleep.

Sunn is the space between sleep and wake, it's not the same as sleep.

Nice discussion ! And a very important one indeed cos most of us face this during our journey towards bhakti.

I even created a separate thread  on sleep during meditation a year back I guess. Now what I have realised is ( I stand to be corrected- that there is

a very thin line between sunn and sleep. Since childhood we have been made acquainted with sleep but never knew or heard what sunn is... 

Sunn is a state of being. They also call it awareness but we often mix it with sleep. When we say i have no idea where i was for those many hours- thst is we were probably thoughtless. That's good news "> cos that's sunn. All those hours get counted in our bhakti. 

The only way that i have realised till now to differentiate is follow your progress. If your heart inside is happy even when things are bad or worse outside. You are on the right track. I myself feel dancing inside on the tones of scolding from my elders  when you start doubting your own sanity sometimes. Its funny but true,!

Just ask yourself when you wake up from that state where you were and if the answer is you really don't know then that's good but if there were thoughts -  that was harchandauri maya so keep walking... And praying for him to help you as we are all his children.. and tend to fall .... 

@Lucky veeeji pls comment. Where are you

Dukh daaru sukh rog bhayaa... 

Pain and suffering are an integral part of a human life.. I have faced those times.too and so has many of us on the forum- eg our most respectful lucky Veer Ji here, who almost got a new life- gone through a major accident and coma .. but if they lead you to bhakti- make you realise the real meaning/ purpose of your existence what better daaru( medicine) can one get. 

All the best veere.. we all are on a journey against kaal,you aren't alone... 

Shabad Hazaare are the shabads - the letters of love written by Guru Arjan Dev ji when he was sent away by Guru Ramdas Sahib to a relative's wedding and ordered not to return unless called. They depict the utmost love and " tarap" he had for His 'Guru Pita' - it is also said that a single shabad of this bani is equivalent to hazaar Jaap of a mantra - THE POWER OF LOVE - so one path is equal to recital of whole Guru Granth Sahib Ji......stories apart.

. if you feel the love in each shabad - you read it once and those shabads just don't leave you the whole day - they keep on wandering inside your head all the time and what's better than singing Mera Mann loche Gur Darsan taayi, bilap kare chatrik ki nyaayi...

Meherwaan Sahib Mera meherwaan..

Mere Laal jiyo tera ant naa jaana...

Mann mander tann ves kalander ghat hi teerath naava .. sahibaaa

you just fall in love as you read them and instill them inside you. I read them as I am reminded of them .. all the time. Anytime.

BTW ... This Bani is the part of morning nitnem in Nanaksar maryaada. 

Happy chanting

Waheguru!

On 12/19/2020 at 10:49 PM, Guest New singh said:

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

waheguru ji ki fateh !!

u are true my friend, bhai Nirvair singh firozpur wale is truely a saint blessed by Waheguru himself .  He came to canada last year and with him sangat only for few days , many gurmukhs are blessed with Naam by Waheguru. They are in chardikala now and tells us everyday whats new going with them in simran.

Sounds good. How do you people connect everyday?

Waheguru ji.         

ਬਹੁਤ ਦੁਖਦਾਈ ਖਬਰ-ਬਾਬਾ ਰਾਮ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਸੀਂਗੜੇ ਨਾਨਕਸਰ ਵਾਲਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਕਿਸਾਨ ਧਰਨੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਗੋਲੀ ਮਾਰ ਲਈ ਅਤੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਚਲਾਣਾ ਕਰ ਗਏ| ਆਪਣੇ ਆਖਰੀ ਨੋਟ ਵਿੱਚ ਉਹ ਲਿੱਖ ਕੇ ਗਏ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਮੇਰੇ ਤੋਂ ਕਿਸਾਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਦਰਦ ਹੋਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਵੇਖਿਆ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ  

ਹੋਰ ਕਿੰਨੀਆਂ ਕੁ ਜਾਨਾਂ ਲੈਣਗੇ ਇਹ ਕਾਤਿਲ ਨਵੇਂ ਖੇਤੀ ਆਰਡੀਨੈਂਸ ਤੇ ਬੇਦਰਦ ਸਰਕਾਰ |

ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਆਤਮਿਕ ਸ਼ਾਂਤੀ ਲਈ ਅਰਦਾਸ ਕਰਿਓ ਤੇ ਉਮੀਦ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਕਿ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਕੁਰਬਾਨੀ ਰੰਗ ਲਿਆਵੇਗੀ |

बहुत दुखद समाचार - बाबा राम सिंह जी सिंगरा नानकसर ने किसान धरने में खुद को गोली मार ली और मर गए।  अपने अंतिम नोट में, उन्होंने लिखा है कि किसानों का दर्द मुझसे देखा नहीं जा सकता है

ये हत्यारे नए कृषि अध्यादेशों कितने और जीवन लेंगे?

#farmersprotest #babaramsinghji

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On 10/27/2020 at 2:54 AM, Ragmaala said:

I kind of developed a bad taste for Bhai Charanjit Singh Gorkhi after he commented on Sant Gurwinder Singh ji mandi wale’s personal experience of darshan as hallucinations due to hunger. And the word nirvichar samadhi is not new concept just another word for mann tikna, furne rukna or Sunn. I am not even close to Gorkhi bhai sahib’s feet dust and have not achieved anything myself.

What I learnt is that no one can give you shortcuts ... thats what I thought when he was saying that he will take you to nirvichar samadhi. i thought he would spend his own kamai to elevate you. But soon I realised it is just a way to say doing simran with online sangat. 

In essence, one should try to follow one person who they really feel connected with. For me, these says, the katha vachak I truly feel connected with is Sant Waryam Singh ji because he talks about Sargun Darshan, Nirgun Rass and Shabad. 

Some 'human' factor is always there, who ever you may listen to except SGGS ji. Try n ignore anything you hear negative and pick positivity. Actually our mind is somehow trained to pick other's faults since janams.. so its tough.. 

No one is perfect except Waheguru and as Simranjeet Singg ji ( m not sure) said in his recent katha .. we have to move on this Bhakti path as a person who takes care of his actions when he wears all whites. Bachaa k chalna painda hai ji. 

On 11/7/2020 at 2:53 AM, Sikhilove said:

The gyan, the teachings are all in Gurbani. They’re not there to be read like a recipe over. They’re there to be applied in action, in simran ie remembrance.
 

If Guru Nanak, as the Great Teacher, Taught that He is Nirboah and Nirvair, why would we not remember/ accept/ apply that Truth, in humility, instead of ignoring it in procrastination and ego. To give our heads, we must accept that we are Nothing, in humility. Truth is so simple, we ourselves complicate it. 
 

He’s right there, staring you in the face. You just have to believe it. Being of a high avastha or whatever is of no consequence. When your lover is sitting right in front of you, why ignore them? 
 

Bandgi, doing good deeds etc is great, but the first step is to accept the Truth Reality, that it’s all Him. 

Waheguru ji, 

You are absolutely correct, I am not contradicting any thing you wrote nor m trying to argue. All I am saying is what I understand as per my experience. Being Nirbhau isn't easy. We all know Guru Nanak sahib told us that my waheguru ji has these amazing attributes. He's Nirbhau, Nirvair, Akaal moorat, KartaPurakh, ajoooni .... I would love to go on and on On this...  we all want to be like our supreme Dad of course. 

But it isn't easy. I have seen many abhiyaasis getting scared in their Abhyaas. I have felt a terror myself. Being Nirbhau is just isn't something you can do to yourself it's his grace- avastha that he himself imparts when and only when one Trust him- surrender to him completely. - hun Tu jaan Waheguru meri Dori haath tumhare. Tu farr mainu..  mai kujh nahi bass tu hi tu hai jo hai.. 

@harsharan000 one n first positive response from you. Made my day.