SunnySingh

No, nature can never be God, for Nature is something created by God from the 5 tattwas, and as such, the creation by itself is insentient or consciousless. Other thing is, that creation is populated by jeevas (the Jot flames of God) or atmas, at different levels of consciousness throughout the creation or call it Nature.

Bravo Guest Prabhtej Jee. In your quote above in black, is in fact the simplest secret of God realization, if only any such lover of His could apply it practically in their daily lives.

Pen Jee, I am going to answer your points in "black" above. * The real Amrit is got within,by the constant jaap of His Name, which washes away all our karmas and thus make us free from maya and we get merged into Waheguru. * The 2 souls joining in marriage is not spiritual but at a physical level to settle our karmic acconts, our True husband is Waheguru Himself, and to Him we have to please by chanting His Name, then as a Father, as an Husband, He will give us shelter at His Lotus feet, it is to Him for whom we have to look for and please Him, He alone is pure, true and perfect. * Do not expect the world to do anything good, if you have realized that you have to do His bhakti, do it by yourself, He Himself will pull you, that is it. Fulfil your duties as mother, as a wife, as a worker, whichever field it maybe, just give the world what it needs from you, then give the remaining time, mind, heart and soul to our True Sachay Patshah, Waheguru, the source of all comfort and bliss. By attaching ourselves to His Lotus Feet through meditation, can we ever be at peace with ourselves for once and all.

Bramacharaya is a very high state of mind, and for that one has to do a lot of kamaee. It is not just saying I will do so and get it, it is to fight with the mind on the internal level with the weapon of Naam alone. That is the right weapon to knock out the mind, for with other methods and weapons, the mind can not be subdued, for as seen in the history, it has defeated big rishis, munis and sanyasis. So to deal properly with this enemy of kaam, one needs the correct weapon, which is His sacred Name as per Bani, all other efforts are futile and a waste of time. And also do not remain in delusion that being a brahmacaharya is enough to meet Him. What about the other remaining 4 thieves? So once you use correctly the weapon of Naam to defeat the mind, then not 1, nor 2, or 3 thieves will be defeated, but all the 5 of them , that also at the same time. As sikhs we are at all not aware of the spiritual wealth given to us through the Bani if applied correctly, we are handcuffed by the blind and we are guided by them. We have to free ourselves from all the chains put on us since we are born, and hold tightly to the pure teachings of the paviter Bani, only then can we truly profit ourselves as souls. Your intentions to get the daat of Naam from a mahapurukh, is the start of the path leading to Him

He is omnipresent, so physical or geographical locations have no value, your inner being is His real temple where you can find Him for sure. A Brahmgyani, is also His form as seen in Sukhmani Sahib. Unlike we humans, They do not need to be close to us to give their blessings. Wherever one is and sincerely pray to Him, He himself will make us meet Them. Meanwhile continue with your daily practices of meditating on Him, He will pull and put you on the right tracks. Your kamaee can never be lost, for as the Bani says: no thief can steal it, water drown it or fire burn it, it is only that you have forgotten its practice, so now you have to learn to walk again, so that you become a good athelete. Do not analyze much yourself, just submit yourself to His will and completely merge your surtee in His holy Name, only that much you have to do. The world, the mind will try to discourage you, but, you tightly hold on His Name. SSA.

Just be aware that for one engaging in His bhakti, is more a pull from His side than any of our biggest efforts, thus if He himself pulls us, which power or who can stop us? So please do not let your mind get you confused, for the jahaaz of His Naam which will ferry us across, has nothing to do with age, gender, nationality or anything alike, but just to sit comfortably and let the pilot of Guru Jee take us across. Why are you worried of old age? What guarantee is that you will reach there? In your hands you only have today and now, so make the most of it. He has given us 24 hours in a day, just keep balance, give the world its time, but also save time for our heavenly Father Akal Purukh and establish a tight relationship with Him, based on love, faith and devotion. So deifinetely, now you do have all the chances to meet Him, try and make the most in them. SSA.

Just a few points. Each breath without His remembrance is a waste. As long as one has breaths, one has still time to reverse our direction and go towards Him with humility, love and utter devotion. Do not look back from the mirror of your mind, rather look forward the broad wide horizons which awaits you to meet your goal with the aid of Guru Jee, for if you hold His hand, no matter how much fallen one maybe, but with His mighty arm, He will surely pull us out, that is His mahaantaa. We should always be positive and hopeful, and leave not even a byte for negativity. This is the truth. Why do you want to hear negative comments? Which may drag you even farther from your objective. Take a few steps towards Him, and He is such a loving Father, that, He will come running to pull you out, provided our love and devotion are sincere. That's it. God bless you.

My thoughts are that, it is a real pity, that inspite of supposedly being a spiritual leader, he is creating divisions among human beings, instead of making people "better equal beings", he is discriminating. This speaks very little of him, for in His eyes, only purity of mind counts in order to devote and submit ourselves to His Bhaana. Rest is all maya and tightly binding ourselves to the wheel of 84.

There will always be failure, if we do not abide by the teachings of Guru Sahiban in the Bani, and corrupt them with our manmukhta and agyanta, thus ignoring the truth on one side, and move further with untruth, we have to listen and get hold on to those who have eyes: Guru Jee, not the blind ignorant manmukhs with their own fashioned philosophies. Only Gurbani is Truth, all else is futile, if we do not abide by the teachings in it

Every other thing apart from only one Him is a trap. One does not get spiritually enlightened at particular planes, it is with our constant association with the Truth of Nam, through simran that we get enlightened throughly. Do not expect much, only wish strongly to be able to receive His meher/kirpa in order to merge in Him, for until He Himself pulls us out, and we hold on tightly to Him only, with love and devotion, we can never ever acheive anything, in terms of our union with Him.

Bro, I just love your posts, for bringing out the best contents related to pure spirituality from the perspective of sikhee or Gurbani. Please keep it up.

Thank you, quite interesting.

Not wanting to enter into any controversy whether women can be in the Panj Pyare or not, all this discussion will go on for long time, as long as people are not fair or are sadly being influenced by those who have not realized that Divinity within. This is how the society moves, means in constant conflicts and confusion. But from there to say, that if there is any combination of genders between them, thus not all men, then the light of the Guru will not come forth? This is not correct at all, because, whether singhs or singhnis, it is diferentiated at the physical level, which is not real, in the sense that, our true essence is spiritual or soul being, and this is what has to be deeply pure in order for the light of Guru to shine forth, and not because of the body of a particular gender. The body which is inert and consciousless by itself, moves and acts as per the purity of the mind and the soul. The light of the Guru is already present in each jeev atma, but it is only felt and seen if purity is there. For example, the eyes through which we see others is not the same if a sant or a paapee see some other´s spouse. The seeing of a paapee will have a lustful look, while the seeing of a sant, will have a look of mercy asking Him to shower all with mercy. So you see, the purity or high consciouss level is not of the body or genders, but, of the mind and soul. Also when you do abhyaas or bhakti, it is the soul which arises within ito higher spiritual realms, not the body which stays still and unmoved. So brother, let us not complicate things more than what they already are, let us give a deep careful thought to all that we say or express in rush, without trying to see the situation as a whole in a different and a logical perspective. The purity lies in the mind and soul, not the physical. The physical needs skills or training for physical activities just as sports or commiting actions to be carried out, but where spirituality is concerned to transmit the light of the Guru, only purity of mind and soul is needed, which is above any genders.

Verily true. As long as one is in ego, there is no trace of Naam. Only when one subdues the ego, then the Jot and dhun of Naam permeates and luminates our being.

This is awesome.

Well Sikhilove Ji, there are many things which you say with which I do not agree, but yet are respectful, as not all of us are at the same consciouss level, so no need to further arguments which leads nowhere but to bitterness, inspite of that, I would just like to bring forward a couple of simple, clarifying and inspiring verses from Guru Jee in reference to what we are talking about: ਦੁਨੀਆ ਸਾਗਰੁ ਦੁਤਰੁ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਪਾਰੋ ॥ Dhuneeaa Saagar Dhuthar Keheeai Kio Kar Paaeeai Paaro || दुनीआ सागरु दुतरु कहीऐ किउ करि पाईऐ पारो ॥ "The world-ocean is treacherous and impassable; how can one cross over? *Note: Here Guru Jee is telling us that, inspite of any maya - khel, the fact is we are caught into it. The several gross and subtle dimensions maybe illusionary and false or perishable in a certain time period, but the jeevas, the atmas, caught into its snares for whatever reasons, are real as He Himself, as they are rays of that imperishable and eternal Truth known as Satnam. ਸੁਰਤਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਭਵ ਸਾਗਰੁ ਤਰੀਐ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਖਾਣੇ ॥ Surath Sabadh Bhav Saagar Thareeai Naanak Naam Vakhaanae || सुरति सबदि भव सागरु तरीऐ नानक नामु वखाणे ॥ With one's consciousness focused on the Word of the Shabad, one crosses over the terrifying world-ocean. O Nanak, chant the Naam, the Name of the Lord. *Note: In this verse, Guru Sahiban is revealing us, the simplest way to get out of that khel, which otherwise would be as good as impossible, so out of His infinite mercy and love for us jeevas, He is saying that if you want to release yourself from this my created khel, you have to catch on something which is the only changeless and flawless Truth, and that is His Nam.

Sikihilove Ji, I think you are mixing the Creator (True and eternal) with His creation which is transitory and perishable. All dukh sukh, janam-maraan, rich poor, health sickness, light and darkness......etc, are due to some cause for which they exist and do end at some point, and this is all a khel of duality or call it pair of opposites which are projected by Him, yet, while He having created all that, He is above all that paraphernalia, for He alone can and does exist by Himself. He is Saebhaang, self supporrtive as stated in the mool mantar. It is ignorance and incorrect to mistake Him with His creation. For as the bani says: ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਭ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਛਾਰੁ ॥੧॥ Naam Binaa Sabh Dhuneeaa Shhaar ||1|| Without the Naam, the Name of the Lord, the whole world is just ashes. So you see, one thing is the the Truth, Lord Waheguru, other thing is everything else, which is not Him, but just ashes, which are not Him Please support your statements with direct quotations from Gurbani, otherwise it is just your imagination. We should give our opinions freely here and wherever needed, but when it is reffered to Him, Gurbani should be our support, otherwise we can lead others to our lower mind which is quite bad.

Sikhilove jee, your above description of Him, sorry to say, but it is far from reality, for to say that light and dark, or, dukh and sukh, are all Him, is incorrect, for these are pair of opposites, which is known as duality. Sun can only give light not darkness. He also can only give light and sukh among other virtues, as He is the embodiment of infinite virtues. It is we who may turn our back towards Him, thus have darkness and pain as our invitees due to our own manmukhta and agyanta, but absolutely not because of Him, for He is Har, the daatar of sarab sukh, countless millions of suns and moons put all together, would be but a pale and dim light in His comparison. Maybe if you say, that in darkness and in pain, He can be with us, if we choose so, then it can be acceptable. So let us stop making Him look as per our fancy distorted limited view.