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If I agree with what someone has said I will like. Please don't lecture me on what I should and shouldn't like. I'm not aware of liking any post with nindaya and recall only liking one post today by Sukh_preet where I agree with her view about sharing. This whole topic is about sharing. I find it annoying when people come on here and say don't share and try and discourage others from talking further. As if they are the naam simran police. It's so demotivating and infusing paranoia into people's head to think negative and watering the seeds of doubt (bahm). No one is forcing anyone to share what they don't want to and those that do are happy to do so. We will never learn if we don't ask. I am personally grateful for the cyber sangat I have met on this forum. Some I've now become good friends with and have met personally. If people got access to mahapursh by all means go have 1-to-1 conversations and keep your conversations gupt as you please. There is no need to be post in this topic. None of us here claim to be experts. Just simple Sikh brothers and sisters walking on the path and trying to help where we can like we wished we had when we were starting out. We don't have all the answers and sometimes keep quiet if we don't know. We may be able to direct you to someone who may know but there is no pressure on anyone to do anything. Some people just have allergic reactions when anything spiritual is discussed as if some major sin is being committed. This forum broke the taboo topic of experiences. Those of us who shared aren't suffering or regret talking about it. Any shortcomings are our own or were supposed to be a passing phenomena, not because we talked about it and Waheguru took it away. Experiences come and go. It is very disappointing to see newcomers coming onboard seeking advice, only to be discouraged about sharing something that maybe troubling. I think it is sad since it may have taken them courage to write and post in the first place. I've seen the same members do it again and again. If you don't believe in sharing keep out of the this topic. Stop enforcing your views on others. We have all had some kind of experience whether big or small. When you first encounter something strange and out of the ordinary it does trouble you. If it happens again well and good. If it doesn't then no big deal either, just stop being negative about it. Just keep moving forward. Where is the average Sikh supposed to go who are not associated with any Jathabandi or those who respect all Jathabandi but are not attached to any? We Sikhs are our own worst enemy at times, constantly trying to pull each other down from the legs trying to hinder progress through indirect negativity, rather than encouraging each other and saying keep climbing. Where are we going to learn about naam, simran or bhagti? It certainly isn't discussed in 99% of Gurdwaras near me. I'm pleased to say this forum is one great resource for those interested on the path of naam simran. No one is on a ego trip or judgemental of those who wish to do naam simran. Everyone helps where they can and encourages where possible. There is so much knowledge contained on this site with links that has taken years to accumulate. We didn't have a clue where to look years ago. It was like searching for a needle in a haystack of where one should begin. What technique should one adopt as a beginner? What was the sounds, tastes, smells in our heads? Why was our bodies shaking etc? So many brothers and sisters came forward and said to hell with this hidden gupt view, stood up and said we are not afraid to talk about it and are having similar experiences and issues. We want to learn, share and make progress. As we found more information on the path we shared so other's don't waste time searching like we had to. Hopefully what is being shared is helping those start their journey quicker than if everyone was working at it alone. So much time is wasted looking for answers or direction. Bravo friends, God bless you all.... Waheguru kirpa karan.

Tried it on the train on my way home with eyes closed just observing. I’m sure I dosed off for a few minutes.

I still believe that you need rise above any body awareness yet mind stays awake. How to get there is the challenge.

Jap with along with this audio to get started. Only listen to the sound of your own voice. No other visualisations.

Bhai Dharamjit Singh explained the vidi to try and transcend sleep when it comes during meditation. Listen from 32 mins. Conclusion we want to do simran to get us to the point of sleepiness and then try and remain awake at the junction. May not be so easy as it sounds. Most of us don't know when that exact point comes.

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Funnily enough I came across a book today that explained Chakras quite well.

Guided simran jaap. Really good. Simran AUD-20191002-WA0009.mp3

I wouldn't get bogged down with chakras. They will open on their own as your mind becomes more still.

@Ragmaala if you can hear them in sleep or dream state then that is a very good sign. That's where you ideally want to hear them from what I understand. It is the stage where mind has seperated from poan/body and mind is being awoken by shabads on the other side. Its good that your seperated from body when listening to loud anhad because there is no load/stress on body. Yes the sounds can get quite loud the more you concentrate on them. It should give your more reassurances that they are not just any old sounds. I have had similar experience where whilst listening to the sound my body became very heavy and I couldn't move my arms legs or head. Took good 45 mins before I felt normal again. Was like I was super drowsy and body was too heavy to lift. If that happens just come back slowly and don't rush yourself to gain body control and trying to force body parts to move. It's always frightening when something happens the first time because you have never experienced it before. Especially if the sensation is overwhelming and unexpected. You seriously need to listen to the q&a's by Bhai Simranjeet Tohana from the links I posted few days ago. You will understand more now your experiencing yourself. Keep going veer.

Useful advice for those just beginning to hear the sehaj dhun.

Great question in this video. Loads of us have this question about why no Anand when listening to the anhad sounds yet?

Gurmukh bibi seeing inner parkash/Jill mill

Brilliant question.

Snap! Totally relate to what this Gurmukh is experiencing.

Listen to these q&a from Gurmukhs on the path of naam simran. Absolutely mind blowing avasta. There are 37 videos uploaded in all. People will learn so much if you take time to listen.

Good simran for practising along with.

For those who want some jaap to practice along with.

Really genuine heartfelt interview by Bhai Balbir Singh Ji from USA.

@Kaur1510 I don't do Mool Mantar anymore only Gurmantar jaap. I did Mool Mantar jaap many years ago. These days I just do enough Gurmantar until any Anhad sound manifest in the head/ears then I try switch to listening to these and ease off the Gurmantar until my thoughts begin to come to the forefront. Then I slowly bring back Gurmantar whilst keeping Dhyan on anhad sounds. Benji this is not a sprint, it's a marathon. Do what you can when you can and don't beat yourself up. Build up slowly. Just keep persevering even if it's few minute bursts. I don't have specific routines which is not what you want to hear. You need to find what is working for you, whether that is in the morning, evening or night. Let's say I'm doing chores (cooking, vacuuming or ironing) at home. Keep reciting Gurmantar and keep your focus on the sound of jaap don't let your surti run away on other thoughts. Do this in parallel to doing your work. That's what I do. Why waste time thinking nonsense. Keep Dhyan on Gurmantar. If your day job requires mental effort then obviously you can't do both. Then I just use my time when I travel to work or some free time during lunch break. Go for a walk or find some where to sit and jap.

The Bhai Sahib in this recording makes an excellent clarification starting at 22:30 seconds about poan shabads and their confusion. Poan shabads are sounds you hear externally from two objects striking, voices when talking to someone. Anhad are crickets or birds chirping in the initial stages because mind has not seperate from air. You need to keep listening to these shabads with concentration and where comfortably possible try hold breath for few moments and listening. According to him the sound clarity will improve and you will begin to hear sound like chumta, gungeroo or tallyia. Listen carefully to the entire clip for those who want to progress. Some important points are made regarding being able to put your yourself to sleep / sunn via simran first otherwise one may not be able to sleep afterwards and mind body may become unbalanced.