Sat1176

Welcome TruthSeeker,

MySimran.info is an excellent site and I have also found the knowledge imparted by the sevadar as highly beneficial and inspiring. It is so refreshing to learn about simran so openly and freely with out any of the stigmas, beliefs of secrecy that exist out there today. I also often try and tune into their camps online and wish I could have been sitting in the sangat at the actual location.

Since you have attended their camps I would firstly advise that you should contact them with specific questions if anything is unclear. I'm sure they would be more than willing to clear up any confusions you might have. Any views expressed by members here is from knowledge and tips we have picked up ourselves from a number of different sources which might include things we have learned from their teachings also.

According to my own understanding from what I have heard about when to transition from bhakri to madhma is as follows:

The primary objective of doing bhakri (out aloud) jaap is to get your mind used listening to the gurmatar without having flights of thought. It also helps teach the mind to sit in one spot and listen to the sound. It also helps balance the pavan/air flowing in both nostrils also known as sukhmana activation. I believe it was advised to do this for quite some time before transitioning to madhma (sass sass). From my own practical experience I quite enjoy doing jaap out aloud as I find it much easier to focus on the sound that way. It is much harder when you take it internal because the mind loves to think of other things instead.

Like yourself I also found it extremely difficult to listen to my own voice initially until one day it just clicked and locked in on it's own. It was even more difficult when sitting in sangat because I found myself listening to the sangat more than I could hear my own voice.
A technique that is advised was to put your dhyan in front of the mouth. This is an excellent and easy approach. Make all the attention in you ears focus on the sound just in front of your mouth. With practice it will tune into only the sound coming from the mouth. When that happens believe you me, you will know it. Then when you do simran in sangat no matter how loud it may get you will still be able to 80% your voice and 20% background sangat. The ultimate goal is to be so focused on your own voice and not know what is happening around you.That is what I believe they mean by closing off the 9 doors.

As your mind becomes more and more still and takes less flights of thought you can slowly begin to transition from sass-giras to sass-sass by lowering the volume till you reach the state of whispering with inhale/exhale method. I also believe it is advised to be breathing through the mouth at this point and not through the nose and it bypasses the ida/pinguala of the nose. Periodically you can check if both nostrils have opened up if you were to breath through the nose. If they are open, then sukhmana is active and one should move to pasanti which is totally internal with the voice of the mind.

Anyway that's my understanding and I'm sure others will be able add where I have gone wrong.

Here's something interesting I picked up recently. How does one know when your ready to progress from Baikhari Bani (verbally), Madhma (whisper) to doing it with internally with the voice of the mind (Pasanti)?

Start of with Baikhari i.e. doing it loudly until your mind is listening and not off wondering thinking about other things. Ensure your eyes are closed otherwise your mind will try and leave through the eyes and start looking around and your attention will be outside. You will know your mind is present because it will come to sit behind the two eye lids. Make it recite and focus on the sound of the gurmantar. You will be breathing through the mouth in Baikhari and Madhma stages. I do not believe it is physically possible to inhale and say Wahe at the same time. You can however still pull in the navel with Wahe, but it will not be synchronized with the breathing, this will just happen normally.

So,

Say “Wahe” pull navel in
Say “Guru” release navel i.e push back out

Stage 2.
If you feel you mind is becoming steady begin to lower the volume to a dull whisper so only you can hear it. (Madhma)

Continue with Baikhari and Madhma until your mind becomes steady thought free and your mind is listening to the shabad.

You should not need to focus your eyes on the trikuti. This will all happen naturally when the shabad/parkash begins to manifest itself. You should not force it. Learn to just listen to shabad and the sound of your own voice and stop the mind from wondering. (Very difficult to do).

Note when reciting WaheGuru, there is a slight pause (about 0.75-1 second) between saying Wahe and Guru.

When doing Madhma (whisper) you might find yourself going internal with the simran, i.e. no sound from the mouth and it beginning to synchronize with the breath and becoming swas swas simran.

Wahe (inhale) and (hold - about a second) say Guru (exhale).

This will have the effect of balancing the air flow between the two nostrils and help still the mind further.

Occasionally close the mouth and breathe through the nostrils. If you feel that both nostrils are active, which you can also check by placing your finger underneath your nose, then this is the ideal time then take your simran internally. (Didn't know that was possible as I thought only nostril is active at any given time.)

Stage 3. – Pasanti

Cease any speech and do simran synchronized with the breath and voice of the mind and listening with the inner ears.

Inhale into chest + pull in stomach/navel (very slightly) + “Wahe”
Hold (about a second)
Exhale + release stomach/navel + “Guru”

Some people do extreme thrusts with the stomach which is wrong and can have the adverse effect of your navel pulsating on its own which is not good. It will evoke too much agni in the pit of your stomach which is not good.

As your mind become more and more still your head will begin to relax and drop. Keep the jaap going on internally and try and stay awake rather than falling asleep.

The more and more simran your do synchronized with the breath the more you will learn to do it subconsciously, i.e. auto pilot, ajapa jaap.

As you mind goes deeper and deeper within, you might see different coloured lights. These are associated with the 5 primal elements/chakras.

Listening to Sant Hari Singh's explanation of letting it all happen automatically is another approach. :-)

I in no way profess to be an expert in the subject matter but in fact a absolute beginner who is looking for guidance to progress on this path. Like other people on this forum I believe that there shouldn't be so much secrecy behind simran. I am sure there are so many others out there like me desperate to be shown the way who are not in the regular service of mahapursh or affiliated with a single Jatha, although have satkaar for all. I am therefore merely sharing any knowledge I am gaining and posting it on this forum. The choice is entirely yours whether you choose to utilise any of it should you find it useful.

Welcome TruthSeeker,

MySimran.info is an excellent site and I have also found the knowledge imparted by the sevadar as highly beneficial and inspiring. It is so refreshing to learn about simran so openly and freely with out any of the stigmas, beliefs of secrecy that exist out there today. I also often try and tune into their camps online and wish I could have been sitting in the sangat at the actual location.

Since you have attended their camps I would firstly advise that you should contact them with specific questions if anything is unclear. I'm sure they would be more than willing to clear up any confusions you might have. Any views expressed by members here is from knowledge and tips we have picked up ourselves from a number of different sources which might include things we have learned from their teachings also.

According to my own understanding from what I have heard about when to transition from bhakri to madhma is as follows:

The primary objective of doing bhakri (out aloud) jaap is to get your mind used listening to the gurmatar without having flights of thought. It also helps teach the mind to sit in one spot and listen to the sound. It also helps balance the pavan/air flowing in both nostrils also known as sukhmana activation. I believe it was advised to do this for quite some time before transitioning to madhma (sass sass). From my own practical experience I quite enjoy doing jaap out aloud as I find it much easier to focus on the sound that way. It is much harder when you take it internal because the mind loves to think of other things instead.

Like yourself I also found it extremely difficult to listen to my own voice initially until one day it just clicked and locked in on it's own. It was even more difficult when sitting in sangat because I found myself listening to the sangat more than I could hear my own voice.
A technique that is advised was to put your dhyan in front of the mouth. This is an excellent and easy approach. Make all the attention in you ears focus on the sound just in front of your mouth. With practice it will tune into only the sound coming from the mouth. When that happens believe you me, you will know it. Then when you do simran in sangat no matter how loud it may get you will still be able to 80% your voice and 20% background sangat. The ultimate goal is to be so focused on your own voice and not know what is happening around you.That is what I believe they mean by closing off the 9 doors.

As your mind becomes more and more still and takes less flights of thought you can slowly begin to transition from sass-giras to sass-sass by lowering the volume till you reach the state of whispering with inhale/exhale method. I also believe it is advised to be breathing through the mouth at this point and not through the nose and it bypasses the ida/pinguala of the nose. Periodically you can check if both nostrils have opened up if you were to breath through the nose. If they are open, then sukhmana is active and one should move to pasanti which is totally internal with the voice of the mind.

Anyway that's my understanding and I'm sure others will be able add where I have gone wrong.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ke Fateh!

I am new to this forum. I have read through all the posts and am very glad to read from such amazing Gurmukh's and their inspiring experiences, tips, and techniques.

I have just recently been practising Simran, less than a month. By God's Grace I was told about the practical methods of Simran by a Gursikh from Chicago who learned the practical from Bhai Sewa Singh from Moga.

I strongly suggest you check his website www.mysimran.info which provides lectures on the technique of Simran, the experiences one will have, lectures on maya, and many more.

Also, you should check when he will be coming to your town for a Simran (meditation) Camp http://mysimran.info/camps/

One question I have had for a while now is when do you know when to transition from Baikhari Bani (out loud with mouth and tongue) to Madhama (whispering) to Pasanti (internally) to Para (rom rom).
I usually practice the first three but not Para (rom rom).

Also, any tips on how to Listen to Gurmantar, dhyan on the sound (dhune). Is very hard for me to focus with so many thoughts. I try to focus on sound coming from my mouth but mind does not sit.

Thank you, very blessed to have found this forum and such blessed Gurmukhs.

WJKK WJKF

Admin,

It would really be useful if you could also include a "Like" feature on this forum next to posts like SikhSangat. I have read countless good posts on this forum that I would personally like to thank or even show an appreciation to the poster without having to reply to the thread to simply say "Great Post!" or "Thanks for sharing!"

I was at a simran camp a few weeks ago and was very lucky to be amongst some very advanced abyassee gurmukhs.

I noticed that at the camp, my rom rom was spontaneously getting active when the sangat was doing jap !
At first, I thought it was just coincidence that this was happening, but it would sync automatically every time, whatever the pace or speed of jap was ?
I had to keep convincing myself that it was just my imagination .

A very respected and high avastha gurmukh confirmed that this was one of the nishanees that rom rom is parpakh and getting pargat !
I was told that experiencing jap as if it's electrifying and pulsating throughout your body is rom rom manifesting and that I must continue to do more and more simran.


I have since picked up a few more pointers with regards to rom rom-

1) rom rom is the beginning of para bani, where we stimulate and try invoke automatic jap by starting simran at the navel.

2) I believe Sant Baba Isher Singh ji mentions this technique as well for beginning rom rom in one of his audios.

3) Your SURAT and SHABAD both begin to mold together and this results in rom rom and para bani getting stronger and stronger.

4) Eventually, (especially when head is uncovered), one can feel a very cool soothing sensation running from top of head throughout the body.... this is the amrit getting manifest throughout the body and in gurbani......

ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਧਾਰ ਗਗਨਿ ਦਸ ਦੁਆਰਿ ॥
Amriṯ ḏẖār gagan ḏas ḏu▫ār.
From the Sky of the Tenth Gate, the Ambrosial Nectar trickles down

5) Also later on, ....One can feel the waheguru jap coming from nearly everything and most objects around them.


6) rom rom and the merging of Shabad with Surat, can also stimulate and let the sushmana flow fully towards the agya chakra (slightly above eye brow mid-point). This results in many awakening symptoms of agya chakra, further intuition and a strong bond of love starts to form from this inner awareness.
Swami j and yoga sutras mention that this higher affinity for the inner awareness is helpful in setting the stage for deeper experiences of sunn and samadhi.

Its enabled now.

Admin,

It would really be useful if you could also include a "Like" feature on this forum next to posts like SikhSangat. I have read countless good posts on this forum that I would personally like to thank or even show an appreciation to the poster without having to reply to the thread to simply say "Great Post!" or "Thanks for sharing!"