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This country belonged to the American Indians , whites dont belong here, tell them to go back to europe

The reason you call me ehankaari is cos you are filled with ehankaar therefore you see all veggies all ehankaari and you alone yourself right eating meat !! you say "budhi is bhrasht" ... i think you are the one who thinks that you have auda of Mahalaal using that type of words ! So was your meat delicious ??? mouth-watering ! LOL hahahahahaha.

Matheen Ji, The only hymn in the whole of Sri Guru Granth Sahib that is specifically cited in support of eating meat is the hymn of Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji in the Var of Raag Malhar on pages 1289-90 beginning with the couplet: Maas Maas Kar Moorakh Jhaghrrey. Gian dhian Nahin Jaaney. Kaun Maas Kaun Saag Kahaavey Kis Mah Paap Samaaney. (pg. 1289-1290) Only the fool quarrels over the question of eating or not eating of the meat. He does not have the True Wisdom. Without True Wisdom or Meditation, he harps on which is flesh and which is not flesh and which food is sinful and which is not. The gist of this shabad is a condemnation of the pakhand Pandits do when they run away from even the sight of meat and can't even fathom touching it. It says that without Satguru, there is no knowledge. Nowhere in this shabad is there any indication that we should eat meat. Just that we shouldn't hate it because WE are made of meat and we shouldn't think that by giving it up we are spiritual. There is no indication in this shabad that says "meat eating is ok". In fact this shabad indicates to us that we are meat and we should recognize that just as the thought of eating a dead body is revolting, the thought of eating meat should be as well. Because that’s precisely what it is: a dead body, and the same stuff our body is made of. Here's the ultimate question: If there was an animal even higher in the food chain than us, would you appreciate it eating your Mother, Dad, brother or sister? No, didn't really think so. So what makes us think that animals do?[/size=24] [/size=24]A final thought, the Sants and Mahapursh of the present day all warn us of the evils of eating meat. They all urge us to take Paol/Amrit and to give up maas, alcohol and tobacco. Not one Sant has ever said otherwise. Do we eat to live, or do we live to eat ? [/size=24]

No ! you are wrong. i dont know from where you got that thinking coming, but thats not true. Many maas-eaters like you also come up with the execuse that guru ka langar is veg cos meat is expensive. Now here are some quotes which specifically compares meat with negative thinking and acts. Avarice is a dog, falsehood the sweeper and cheating the eating of meat. (Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Raag ang.15) Falsehood is my dagger and to eat by defrauding is meat. (Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Raaj ang.24) There is a story of Guru Gobind Singh Ji who sent out his falcon to hunt an animal, once caught Guru Ji watched as the baaj tore into the animals flesh. Asked by one of his Sikhs what was the reasoning behind this Guru Ji stated that in a previous life the animal had borrowed some money from the baaj and swore on Akal Purkhs name that he would pay it back, he never did, now it was pay back time. There are many instances like this which illustrate that the Gurus were not hunting for meat but to save these souls from the continuous cycle of birth and death. In two Hukamnamas of Sri Guru Har Gobind Sahib Ji there are clear cut instructions prohibiting the eating of meat, fish etc. When Guru Nanak in his sixth form prohibits Sikhs from eating flesh in such a strong language, how can he, in his tenth form, issue instructions absolutely contrary to and in negation of his own earlier instructions? H.S Singha in his Mini Encyclopedia of Sikhism. 'Guru Amar Das Ji ate only rice and lentils but this abstention cannot be regarded as evidence of vegetarianism, only of simple living.' Mohsin Fani (1615-70), the well known historian and a contemporary of Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib, rites in his work DABISTAN-E-MAZAHIB as follows: "Having prohibited his disciples to drink wine and eat pork, he (Nanak) himself abstained from eating flesh and ordered not to hurt any living being. After him this precept was neglected by his followers; but Arjun Mal, one of the substitutes of his Faith, renewed the prohibition to eat flesh and said: This has not been approved by Nanak." ahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji's "UPDESH" to Bhai Daya Singh ji which is mentioned in "SUDHARAM MARAG GRANTH" : "One who does not Steal, Commit adultery , Slander anyone , Gamble , Eat meat or drink wine will be liberated in this very life (i.e. Jeewan Mukt)".P Lastly, NO ANIMAL WANTS TO DIE, DO YOU THINK THE GOAT OR THE HEN YOU ARE KILLING IS HAPPY TO BE JHATKA-FIED BY YOU ! OR IS IT SAD AND IN FEAR? JUST TELL ME THAT !!! IF SOMEONE WANTED TO CUT YOUR THROAT AND EAT YOU, WOULD YOU BE HAPPY????? IF NOT, THEN HOW CAN YOU EAT MEAT ?? U WILL PAY FOR IT !

LOL ! This is why we are not united with the Guru !

Well its not laziness to leave everything to the Guru on the contrary it is very very hard, but those rare people who have left everything to the Guru have left it !

There have been many sikh billionaires, not in terms of money but in terms of Naam, the value of which cannot even be estimated by giving infinite billion dollars !

Eagting meat makes you angry thats what happened to maha kharg singh

Veer ji, I have left meat several years ago... even when I use to eat meat, my body was never able to digest it, my mind use to become heavy and i use to get very uncomfortable. As a child my family was non-veg but was never happy after eating the meat. In anycase, those who says veggies are wrong and go for pro-meat diet... they must first look at the Langar served in the Gurudwara which is PURE VEGETARIAN and this fact is a big slap on pro-meat supporters !

Love is Blind ! Jin prem kiyo tin he prabh payio. If you want to meet God, then cut your head and put it on the feet of God, and God will kick it and play with it.. dont ask "why?"

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Well there is a shabad by Bhagat Kabeer ji that says who wants to be reborn as an animal to be slaughtered ! anyways... its no use discussing with you. I can already see what meat has done to your mind ! ...LOL... You are eating meat only for taste nothing else.

I can clearly say from your behavior of how much of an effect meat is having on you. So was your goat dish really delicous ?

vijaydeep singh ji, Baba Deep Singh ji fought with his head on his left hand and sword in the right with the kirpa of Guru jee , not with the kirpa of MEAT. well said DHANBABANANAK ! as for soybean and tofu.. i usually eat those soyburgers and meatless sausages to tell you the truth... I dont find them anything tasting close to meat.. infact a soyburger feels all like beans and grains.. and it feels healthy.

What a long post. Yes only fools argue over meat.. but eating meat is not recommended for people who want mukti, it has to do with kindness. Guru Har Rai ji started crying when a small flower mistakenly came under him, so if our Gurus were so kind hearted then how can we butcher a LIVE ANIMAL and eat it !

who is che guvera? dont know him. no topic is stupid ! is this how khalsa behaves?

it seems the only goal of this musalmaan community is to "convert, convert, convert", they may rule on Earth, but not in the real kingdom.

Maha Kharg Singh, if you are doing jhatka of animals, you will be reborn as an animal and will have to experience yourself being jhatka-fied by a Nihang ! good luck enjoy your meat.

well he said in his tape he would have to be reborn for 10 more lifes before he gets mukti.. this means if we assume he lives an average life of 80 years, we can say 800 years more.. or put it upto 1000 years approximate. So it will be the year 3007, ahh.. so the end of the world is certainly not coming in the next 1000 years ! wonder wat it will be like.

agree with you kavita, but these days many ppl think that tieng beard goes against Guru Jee's teachings. I have also some fanatics who compare beard tiers to people who shave. It is totally a person choice wether someone wants to tie or not tie beard.. Lets not make sikhism another taliban , fundu type of thing...plzzzzzz...keep it simple going. but i have to agree,that tieng the beard results in pulling of thehair, stretching and this makes hair loss on the beard quicker.

4-5 years ago this forum , sikhawareness was really hitting the charts , id ont know why there are no more discussion here.

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vEER JI that is what i am try to say.. when Guru Nanak Dev ji asked to eat the dead body, bhai lehna didnt ask "why" ..he didnt try to understand. he had become like a slave of the Guru .. 100% slave of the Guru and He became Guru Nanak Himself then.... these days we have people, they want to know why we keep hair, why we create khalsa, why we take amrit.. so much understandings and gyan can ruin you. while i agree that understanding to a certain extent and especially in the beginning stage is needed..it all depends on the stage of the sikh. we do need scholars and intellects to get the bhatkey hoye people back to sikh panth. thanks

Yes I agree with you, it really does damage the kesh !

Mystical Ji, Baba Nand Singh Sahib je never read anything from the SGGS, but He knew the entire SGGS byheart