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I'm gonna ask a question, just for the debates sake. Alot of memebers on this board pride themselves on so called traditional sikhi, however when it comes to many issues actually in real life, they seem to take liberal modern approaches. How do you think something like this would have been dealt with by our forefathers? In fact this kind of occurance would not even be dreamt of has even happening in the first place.

yeah i agree, but still a dastar on men has also been accepted as simply part of punjabi culture, due to time and cultural reasons its known that a turban on a man is not an automatic sign of religiousness/being amritdahri, however a turban for women is UNIQUE in Sikhi for amritdharis. so whether she likes it or not and whether it is so called equal or not, due to circumstances she IS automatically making a declaration of religiousness by being a woman and wearing a dastar.

if not even amritdhari,, why the dastar???

i was banned from joining

The first vid of the muslim is sad enough but that video of the woman who married a jewish guy is SHOCKING, she wore a DASTAAR??!!

Faridkot teeka ਤੂੰ ਏਕ ਸਭਨਾਂ ਕਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਮਾਲਕ ਹੈਂ ਔਰ ਜੀਵੋਂ ਕੋ ਦੇ ਰਹਾ ਹੈਂ॥ ਭਾਵ ਸੇ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਦੈਂਤ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਆਸਤਕ ਨਾਸਤਕ ਆਦਿ ਰਸਤਿਓਂ ਮੈਂ ਪੜ ਕਰ (ਵਾਦ) ਝਗੜਿਓਂ ਕੋ ਵਧਾਵਤੇ ਹੈਂ॥ (too ek sabhna ka sahib malak hai aur jeevo ko de rha hai॥ bhav se devta daint hindu musalman aastak naastak aad rastio mai par kar (vad) jhagriou ko vadhavte hai) Please forgive me for any mistakes in transliterating. Prof Sahib Singh (i think also going onto the next line of the shabad in the below aarth) ਇਕੋ ਸਿਰਜਣਹਾਰ ਹੀ (ਸਾਰੇ ਜਗਤ ਦਾ) ਮਾਲਕ ਹੈ, ਉਸ ਨੇ (ਜੰਮਣਾ ਤੇ ਮਰਨਾ) ਦੋ ਰਸਤੇ ਚਲਾਏ ਹਨ। (ਉਸੇ ਦੀ ਰਜ਼ਾ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਜਗਤ ਵਿਚ) ਝਗੜੇ ਵਧਦੇ ਹਨ। ਦੋਵੇਂ ਰਸਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੇ ਹੀ ਤੋਰੇ ਹਨ, ਸਾਰੇ ਜੀਵ ਉਸੇ ਦੇ ਹੁਕਮ ਵਿਚ ਹਨ, (ਉਸੇ ਦੇ ਹੁਕਮ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ) ਜਗਤ ਜੰਮਦਾ ਤੇ ਮਰਦਾ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ। (iko sirjanhar he (sare jagat da) maalak hai, us ne (janmna te marna) do raste chalaye han (use dee raza anusaar jagat vich) jhagre vadhde han. Dove raste prabhoo ne hee ttore han, sare jeev use de hukam vich han, (use de hukam anusaar) jagat janmada te marda rahinda hai) So two very diff aarths indeed. Faridkot teeka one is very interesting, seems to be talking about dev/dait, hindu/muslim, aastik/naastic, im not sure what they mean by 'aad'. and prof sahib singh, about janam marna, which does seem to make sense considering the next line of the shabad. lets just say all the meanings are right lol.

I lol at them becuase when they die and they expect jannah, we all know what they are going to get. In the words of reverend Lovejoy "see you in Hell! . . . From heaven!"

Below write up by Kulbir Singh from Gurmatbibek.com Everything is Vaheguru himself since he is pervading in everything. About creating Naam: ਆਪੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ਆਪੁ ਸਾਜਿਓ ਆਪੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ਰਚਿਓ ਨਾਉ ॥ ਦੁਯੀ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਸਾਜੀਐ ਕਰਿ ਆਸਣੁ ਡਿਠੋ ਚਾਉ ॥ 1) First he established himself (not created) and then he created his Naam. 2) ਦੁਯੀ i.e. secondly he created ਕੁਦਰਤਿ which is also called Prakriti. This Prakriti is the ingredients (5 elements of this world) from which different forms were created e.g. different forms are made from clay. Clay is Prakriti and different forms are the visible universe. As for Vaheguru having a consort, this is impossible. He has no partner and no equal. He himself is Naam-form as well because where did he create Naam from? From within himself. Nothing can be created from anywhere else because there is nothing beyond him. Everything comes from him. He has created many powers and many creations but everything was created from the Khanda or power of Naam: ਪਉੜੀ ॥ ਖੰਡਾ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੈ ਸਾਜ ਕੈ ਜਿਨ ਸਭ ਸੈਸਾਰੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਦਾ ਖੇਲੁ ਰਚਾਇ ਬਣਾਇਆ ॥ ਸਿੰਧ ਪਰਬਤ ਮੇਦਨੀ ਬਿਨੁ ਥੰਮ੍ਹਾ ਗਗਨਿ ਰਹਾਇਆ ॥ ਸਿਰਜੇ ਦਾਨੋ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਤਿਨ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਬਾਦੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥ ਤੈ ਹੀ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੈ ਦੈਤਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਸੁ ਕਰਾਇਆ ॥ ਤੈਥੋਂ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਰਾਮ ਲੈ ਨਾਲ ਬਾਣਾ ਦਹਸਿਰੁ ਘਾਇਆ ॥ ਤੈਥੋਂ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਲੈ ਕੰਸੁ ਕੇਸੀ ਪਕੜਿ ਗਿਰਾਇਆ ॥ ਬਡੇ ਬਡੇ ਮੁਨਿ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਕਈ ਜੁਗ ਤਿਨੀ ਤਨੁ ਤਾਇਆ ॥ ਕਿਨੀ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ 2॥ In the above Pauri it becomes clear that Durga or Chandi or Devi is not the power or Shakti of Vaheguru. The first Pankiti clearly says that Khanda was created at first. Khanda here cannot mean Devi or Durga because Durga has been mentioned in the 5th line, later than even Vishnu, Brahma and Mahesh. Durga is just a creation of Vaheguru like other Devis, Devtas, Prophets etc. Siri Asa kee Vaar says that he created Naam before the creation and in the above pauri of Chandi di Vaar, Guru Sahib is saying that Vaheguru first created Khanda; this proves that Naam and Khanda are one and the same thing. Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh has written that Bhagauti in "Siri Bhagauti jee Sahai" and "Pritham Bhagauti Simar kai" means not Durga Devi or Chandi Devi but it means Naam. Vichaari Durga can't become Sahai (of any help) to a Gurmukh who is a candidate of assistance from a much higher force. Chandi, Durga or Devi has no importance in Gurmat. The whole idea of writing Krishnavtaar, Chandi di vaar and other such compositions is: Dasam Katha Bhagaut kee Bhakhiya kari banaaye || Avar Baasna nahi Prabh, Dharamjudh ko chaaye || All these compositions are for "Dharam judh ko Chaaye" i.e. for the sake of Dharam Yudh, to instill Bir Rass in Sikhs. Nothing else. Guru Sahib's own words make it clear that the aim is Dharamjudh and not to praise these deities. If you read the original chapter of Dasam Skand of Sirimad Bhagwat Puraan, "Judh Prabandh" in there is much smaller as compared to "Krishnavtaar". Jarasandh was the father-in-law of Kans, the Mama of Siri Krishna. He was a great warrior and the greatest wrestler of that time. Krishna killed his Mama Kans and to avenge the death of his son-in-law, Jarasandh attacked Mathura many times (17-18 times). Everytime he attacked, he was repulsed by Siri Krishna's forces but now the people of Mathura got sick of these everyday attacks and perhaps Krishna too was sick of fighting. So before the last attack, he move his kingdom to Dwarka (now in Gujrat) from Mathura. The above battles between Jarasandh and Siri Krishna have been greatly detailed in Krishnavtaar and the reason obviously is "Dharamjudh ko Chaaye". Guru Sahib clearly writes that he has no other Baasna (reason, aim) but to instill Dharamjudh in Gursikhs. Sometimes Guru Sahib uses Durga and Mahikhasur as tools to create scenes of fierce battle and sometimes Rama and at other time Krishna. Guru Sahib is not giving any importance to these characters and nor these deities of Hindus have any importance for Sikhs. All these powers are of much lower level. Gursikhs of Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee are the worshippers of only Vaheguru and recognize no other power but Vaheguru.Vaheguru is all in all. The level of Durga is that she brooms the ground at Gurdwara Sahibaan in order to maintain her power, as is evident from the Saakhi of Durga sweeping floor at Siri Kartarpur Sahib when Baba Lehna jee arrived there for the first time. How can such Durga or Chandi be a partner of Vaheguru and sharing power with Him? Daas, Kulbir Singh

the anti singh sabha brigade are about a 0.000000001% of the panth, it just seems like there are more of them because everyone of them seems to be on the net lol. Singh sabha is here to stay because it is SAT. And I mean the true original singh sabha, lets forget any of the corruptions today (in any org including the sampradas there does tend to be a bit of loss of good principles). What is singh sabha? Belief in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, All of Dasam Bani, all Gurmat rehat and all Gurmat maryada. If you want something outside of the scope of these things, then well... it certainly aint sikhi. Whats the name of your local gurdwara?

I appreciate your seva, but are these sides of things really what needs to be promoted when Dasam Bani is being so intensley attacked at the moment?

Bhai Inderjeet Singh is good gursikh, i don't know all of the seva he does but he does a lot of seva in the BOSS Sikhi Camp. Heres an amazing video

why do u want "historical granths" just read Guru Granth Sahib Ji. And why do you care about jaikare, they aren't in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. end sarcasm.

wish he would put in his hair though! finally a talented non paki and he wants to look lke one lol

and since when was sarbloh bibek only a nihang rehat?

a sikh society, sikhs in a uni get together for weekly events like discussions and doing simran.

welcome supergal, what uni do u go? doesnt it have a sikh soc? u can always go to other unis sikh soc events to meet sikhs

Vaheguroo http://www.sikhitothemax.com/Page.asp?SourceID=G&PageNo=&ShabadID=6&Format=2

jin prem kio tin hee prabh payo

sounds pretty reasonable jaikara, thanks

Well, then how about u show some real anakh about the issue rather than cyberwarrioring the net. I gotta say it takes a dasam granth naastik to go out in public with their joora exposed. Im saying this for your own good think about what the heck ur doing. ninda of Maharaj's granth will only lead to further dishonour

sunny bond, u still going to school nanga sir?

The whole point of news articles like that is to get the exact reaction you are having out of more sikhs. They just recyle the same bs every now and then, bk +rdx, then arrest some innocent villagers.

on the topic, what exactly IS with the ears out thing? I dont mean namdharis i mean literally why are all old nihang paintings showing ears out of dumalle? and the shape of the dumalla is very different alot of the time.

In the UK, if a muslim does something bad, they will use this idiotic term, 'asian' (i.e. includes indians, hindus sikhs,etc.), yet if good then 'muslim'. let alone neutral they kiss their backsides!

CULTIST ALERT Admin, please note, this is narinder grewal propaganda. the same can be found on his notorious website, I would humbly request you delete this thread.