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Isn't it ironic that they claim Guru Nanak was Muslim, but themselves are declared Non Muslims in Pakistan?

Very well observed. We can't say that it is true for all but it is true for most cases.

Everything is relative in this transient world. No absolute, except Him. Pain, pleasure, sin, deeds are relative. Waaheguruu.

Please suggest other options.

Guru Sahib, particularly Satguru Nanank uses ਦੋਵੈ word to represent duality (illusion of being separate from One). ਏਕੁ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਦੁਇ ਰਾਹ ਵਾਦ ਵਧੰਦਿਆ ਜੀਉ ॥ There is One Lord, way of duality will increase the conflict. ਦੁਇ ਰਾਹ ਚਲਾਏ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਸਬਾਏ ਜਨਮਿ ਮੁਆ ਸੰਸਾਰਾ ॥ Following path of duality, still within His Command, this world takes birth and dies. Again, ਰਾਹ ਦੋਵੈ ਇਕੁ ਜਾਣੈ ਸੋਈ ਸਿਝਸੀ ॥ One who recognizes path of duality as One shall be emancipated.

ਬਲਬੀਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ, ਤੁਹਾਡੀਆਂ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਜਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਮੇਰੀ ਤੁੱਛ ਬੁੱਧੀ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਹਰ ਨੇ ਜਾਂ ਇਹ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਐਵੇਂ ਯੱਭਲੀਆਂ ਮਾਰੀ ਜਾਨੇ ਆਂ।

1. ਪੁਰਾਣਾ ਹਮੇਸ਼ਾ ਸਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੁੰਦਾ। ਜੇ ਕਿਸੇ ਪੁਰਾਣੀ ਬੀੜ ਤੇ ਦੇਵੀ ਦੀਆਂ ਮੂਰਤਾਂ ਲੱਗੀਆਂ ਹਨ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਦਾ ਇਹ ਮਤਲਬ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿ ਸਿੱਖ ਦੇਵੀ ਪੂਜਕ ਹੈ। 2. ਸਿੱਖ ਧਰਮ ਵਿੱਚ ਬਹੁਤ ਰੀਤੀ ਰਿਵਾਜ ਹਨ। ਬਹੁਤ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੇ ਖੁਦ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਕੀਤੇ ਤੇ ਕਈ ਬਾਅਦ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਆ ਗਏ। ਗੁਰੂ ਦਾ ਸਿੱਖ ਬਹੁਤ ਕਿਸਮਤ ਵਾਲਾ ਹੈ। ਜੁਗੋ ਜੁੱਗ ਅਟੱਲ ਗੁਰੂ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅਗਵਾਈ ਦੇਣ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਮੌਜੂਦ ਹੈ। ਦੇਵੀ ਪੂਜਣੀ ਹੈ ਜਾਂ ਨਹੀਂ, ਸੁਣੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ ਕਹਿ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ? ਇਹਨਾਂ ਮਸਲਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ (ਗੁਰੂ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ) ਦੀ ਕਸੌਟੀ ਤੇ ਤੋਲੋ। ਜੇ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਕਹਿੰਦੀ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਦੇਵੀ ਪੂਜਣ ਯੋਗ ਹੈ, ਤਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਪੂਜੋ।

It is nice effort. Dhanyavaad ji.

Rule changes and so does method of worshipping Him. Now He is representated by blue color robes. Balvir Singh, call Him, Banvaari, Madho, Madhusudan or Allah. Color Him blue, saffron, red, green or whatever you want. All colors are His. All names are His.

Very good. Now we must move on to next very important question. Liberalization, is it for better or for worse? Discuss on word 'Liberal'.

More Stuff.. Muslim man's wedding void if woman fails to convert, says HC

Banwaree means 'living in jungles'. It is another name for Krishna as he was resident of Brinda Ban.

Qawwali starts with ishq-e-majaji, but culminates beautifully crossing the boundaries of human love and singing what ishaq really is about. Second part is must see. Part 1 Part 2

Everybody has own priorities Mother: worried about girl's future like a mother should be. She is hurt. Somebody stole piece of her heart and treating it like dirt. Girl: just turned 16. She is javaan now. Body has requirements. Like a typical teenager, her mind too wanders around. Paki Sullah: Typical player. He knows how to play young naive teenager girls. Plus big bonus is she is Sikh. Historical grievances, inferiority complex add to masala. She is like a trophy. Me and some forum members: Sikh pride got hurt. Want to kick some paki ass, but this is a country with rule of law. We must find other ways to settle score with pakis.

Guru Amardas ji saying on Panna 231 ਮਾਇਆ ਦਾਸੀ ਭਗਤਾ ਕੀ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਵੈ ॥ Maya is the slave of the Lord's devotees; it works for them.

Just take few minutes and think! Are Gurudwaras helping Sikhi or destroying it? I came across a news item in National Post. It is humiliating. Temples of strife: Power struggles fuelling recent Sikh violence More interesting are comments by others on these incidents. Here is another.

I don't know any of the committee members personally, but here are some things I know . * committee members keep goonda teams ready to fight in case of any attempt by opposing committee to forcibly take control of Gurudwara. These goondas are though from Sikh background but have no interest in Sikhi, they just need some place to fight. Reminded me of Mahant Narainu keeping hired help. * there are two opposing groups in committee. One group had a member who was caught on the camera stealing from Golak (there is a youtube video). That thief is still in committee, shows that rest of the members are also chor. Opposing committe also has a member who was accused of rape by a woman, but nobody seems to care. They are more interested in power grab and golak money. * a statement by some guy that being director here is equivalent to investment of half million. This guy was present with his goonda team to assist his friends take control of another Gurudwara (Rexdale Gurughar) few weeks back. They all are admin cut masands. They deserve to be thrown alive in Karahas of boiling oil.

I didn't know it is available in English. A must read. http://www.scribd.com/doc/8636595/Bandginama-by-Raghbir-Singh-Bir I went to Sacha Sauda and brought 3 more books by Bhai Saheb. I will try to start some discussion (Vichar) as I read it.

As per wikipedia, Toronto Star is highest circulation news paper.

News from Toronto Star Did Guru Gobind Singh promote group sex or did he not? Just like the bible, a storm of debate swirls around interpretations of the 10th book of Sikhs The Dasam Granth is all rhymed poetry but in the controversy about it there is growing vitriolic diatribe. "The debate was dormant – people quietly believed one way or the other," said Harbans Lal, president of Academy of Guru Granth Studies at Arlington, Texas. "This open fighting is relatively recent ... it started about 15 years ago. Now it's blowing up in everyone's face." Last week, a man was stabbed when violence broke out at a Sikh temple in Brampton where Darshan Singh, a former, now-excommunicated head priest of Sikhs, was invited to speak. Singh, who lives in Brampton, is one of the most vocal critics of the Dasam Granth. A scripture of Sikhism, it contains texts attributed to the tenth and the last Sikh guru, Gobind Singh, who lived in central India. They were compiled after the guru's death in 1708 by Mani Singh, one of his disciples. Singh took nine years to gather the guru's writings from various followers. But there were different versions. From 1892 to 1897, Sikh scholars studied as many as 32 adaptations and prepared the Dasam Granth now under fire among some Sikhs. They believe it promotes sexual promiscuity, degrades women and also encourages use of intoxicants. MOST RELIGIOUS scriptures are second-hand and passed down over centuries, and controversies about authenticity, authorship or importance are common. It's not clear how many pages or verses of the scripture are considered controversial. In September 2000, after a scholar, Virsa Singh, said his research indicated that Dasam Granth in its entirety was the tenth guru's work, the high priests issued an edict banning all debate on its authenticity. But ten years on, the debate is still swirling. Darshan Singh, who has brought the controversy to the forefront, maintains the Dasam Granth is inconsistent with Gobind Singh's other teachings and could not have been written by him. "There is nothing to prove that Guru Gobind Singh wrote most of the verses," said Singh in an interview with the Star. Dasam Granth – 1,428 pages long and mostly in Braj Bhasha, a dialect of Hindi spoken widely in many parts of India until the 19th century – contains multiple references to group sex that have riled some Sikhs. A part of the scripture talks about consuming intoxicants before sex to make it better, said Singh. He maintains some verses encourage people to have multiple sexual partners – including with immediate family members. "It says there shouldn't be any boundaries. No guru would ever preach that," argued Singh. Some verses in the Dasam Granth also freely talk about cutting hair, considered taboo for any practicing Sikh. "Hair is one of the important tenets of Sikhism, as said by the gurus," said Singh. "How could, then, Guru Gobind Singh have anything to do with a verse where a woman talks about disguising her lover as another woman by cutting off the hair?" Other verses say that women should not be trusted, said Singh, who has also been studying the scripture for years. "That's not what our gurus said. Each one of them preached gender equality." There is some debate with regard to mention of gods and goddesses in the book – the Sikh gurus maintained there is only one God. Also, parts of the Dasam Granth appear to be contradictory to the teachings of Guru Granth Sahib, the holy book of the Sikhs, considered living embodiment of the 10 gurus. Lal, president of Academy of Guru Granth Studies at Arlington, Texas, said he's not "scholarly enough to say if parts of Dasam Granth have not been written by Guru Gobind Singh but I do believe that it's a part of Sikh literature and we should abstain from using language about it that hurts people." UNTIL THIS DEBATE is settled, Sikhs should pay attention to the Guru Granth Sahib, he added. That book is a compilation of the teachings of all the gurus that is overwhelmingly accepted by Sikhs. Sikh scholars argue that there's enormous respect for Gobind Singh on both sides and that is one reason for the debate. "One side doesn't want to challenge anything that Gobind Singh wrote because it means defying the guru himself," said Santbir Pannu, a young practicing Sikh in Toronto who has read large parts of the original Dasam Granth and most of the translations. The other side believes the tenth guru's name should not be associated with a book whose philosophy is contrary to the gurus. When it comes to scriptures, people get passionate very quickly, said Pannu. But this controversy has gone on for too long, he thinks. "The Sikhs undertook a thorough in-depth investigation of the Dasam Granth and came to conclusions (in 1897). At that meeting, some compositions were deemed to be spurious. Something similar needs to be undertaken today, under the authority of the head priests," said Pannu. Since the scripture is mostly in Braj Bhasha, a language no longer spoken, only its translations have been widely read. Many verses are long and mystical, and there is room for misinterpretation, said Lal. But Darshan Singh has no such qualms. "I challenge you to read it and decide on your own if this could have been written by the guru," said Singh. "Read and decide. That's all." http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/793458--did-guru-gobind-singh-promote-group-sex-or-did-he-not

I am not very familiar with Hindu mat. What I have learned from Vaishnavs, when they say Krishna, that means one of the das avatar. Their focus is on cow herder of ancient India, not Akaal (his Creator). Similarly, Shaivites focus on Shiv as primary God. Hinduism is so vast, you can find a strand similar to any religion.

When one tries to comprehend contradictory views, mind opens up to bigger truth. Teesra panth is synthesis, the higher level of truth as Hegel said. Thesis - there are many gods antitheses - there is only One God Synthesis - There is One God, with number of Sargun Roops.

http://punjabi.aglsoft.com/punjabi/converter/?show=text

Bhagat Trilochan ji saying same thing.

shreek is brother with equal share.