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Matt Rahaim DOI: https://doi.org/10.1017/S0021911811000854 Published online: 09 September 2011 Abstract The harmonium is both widely played and widely condemned in India. During the Indian independence movement, both British and Indian scholars condemned the harmonium for embodying an unwelcome foreign musical sensibility. It was consequently banned from All-India Radio from 1940 to 1971, and still is only provisionally accepted on the national airwaves. The debate over the harmonium hinged on putative sonic differences between India and the modern West, which were posited not by performers, but by a group of scholars, composers, and administrators, both British and Indian. The attempt to banish the sound of the harmonium was part of an attempt to define a national sound for India, distinct from the West. Its continued use in education served a somewhat different national project: to standardize Indian music practice. This paper examines the intertwined aesthetic and political ideals that underlie the harmonium controversy.

Actually I found your guy, is it Bhai Manpreet Singh Kanpuri, just checked your FB profile? IF you have actual pyaar for Guru's kirtan then why not preserve Gurmat Raag Sangeet, Tanti Saaj. I just saw those videos and that kirtan is even less gurmat than the kirtan I see in regular kirtan. It's like they are at a dance show. This is devolution of kirtan!!! IF you have pyaar, then respect Guru ji's instruments like Saranga, dilruba, Taos, Rabab. This harmonium and disco stuff isn't gurmat, I like to call it manmat. Please stop devolving Guru ji's kirtan, please find out more about gurmat sangeet, my benti to you!!!!

I am unsure who Bhai Manpreet Singh is. But it was strange to read your title of Evolution of Kirtan as there has been a really bad devolution of kirtan after Guru jis times, starting during British Raaj times. The harmonium has been the greatest devolution, and then those sikhs who ignore the Guru's Raags and turn kirtan into a bollywood/bhangra dance show. The naamdharis seem to be doing a better job of preserving Guru jis kirtan than what mainstream sikh panth is at present. I found one Bhai Manpreet Singh on Youtube, which one are you referring to and can you explain further how he has evolved kirtan? Also I don;t understand how he prepares music to accompany the shabads, does he not use the gurmat way of raag kirtan which Guru jis have already prepared for these shabads? Would like to find out more?

I know Pasteurised cow's milk gives me health problems such as bloating, acne and hayfever, asthama as well. But then this almond milk stuff also makes my throat ithc. Also have to limit the nuts as they make my throat itch as well, even more so in summer.

wow old thread, but some cultural paghs aren't going to protect your head. I recommend a dumalla in any place where you need afety, such as a building site or motorcycle riding.

Isn't the modern cutting of kesh just a societal sheep following, perhaps something forced by Roman catholicism or christianity or something centuries ago. Kesh seems to have been a normal part of a person in Ancient Bharat and even the historical British Kings and native americans seem to have it. so the no kesh argument just seems to be a nonsense from modern society, but not necessarily something progressive or beneficial. Maybe you need to look into other sampradaiye that sikhs have been following from the Gurus times, which may not emphasise keeping kesh? Udasi sikh perhaps? Does anyone know if all Nirmala sikhs keep kesh, seems to be though?

I don't think a girl removing some hair is immediately adharmik. lol

What's a good shastar to have that is can even be hidden in plain site? https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-effective-weapon-that-can-fit-in-a-pocket

I was going to use the argument that modern sikh families are marrying their children off at older ages (just look at the ages our Gurus and ancestors married at), when post-puberty hormones have taken control off these children's minds. Basically at ages that our ancestors would consider too-old, on-the-shelf etc, ancestors knew what children are capable of when they reach puberty; just read the love stories like Heer-Ranjha, Sassi-Pannu etc and also we lack parchar and knowledge of Charitropakyhan and others banis of Dasam Granth Darbar. BUT... The fact is some of the girls taken advantage of are very young girls, so the parents aren't keeping an eye on the vulnerable children. Are the parents too busy working and making money, or just too lazy? Why are their young children out in the streets in the way we describe in punjabi like KUTTEH-BILLEH! ? In my early years at uni, I started taking sikhi and marital arts more seriously due to these stories about muslims taking advantage of sikh girls. I even went to a few bhangra gigs just to see where this stuff was happening, but never really saw it there or in the bars, I always wanted to be able to do something about it! Unfortunately I got into the Singh Sabha kind, but my punjabi culture brought me back from these people that seem to hate themselves inside. But then, a few more years at uni made me want to avoid a lot of uni sikh-girls for marriage. I saw apni girls drinking, and it stopped me from starting drinking lolz Then I saw so many sikh girls, especially jattis, insulting our turbans. So in the end, the fire I had to try and help these girls got distinguished by unfortunate means. I am in a gora area, not surrounded by sikhs, so I can't seem to do anything. Then I see people from the desi areas around me (Southall, Hounslow, Slough) not taking sikhi seriously, or respecting punjabi culture, or just having some respect for turbans. I'm an observer, I can't do anything from here besides make provocative facebook groups, or post on sikhi forums! Sikh societies never liked my open minded questions.

I remember your gatka baba lineage post, it was interesting, I would like to find out about more lineages of sikhi martial arts!

He could get married, didn't Guru jis and purataan sikhs and singhs marry before 18 anyway? In old punjabi movies, Mehar Mittal used to be the chara admi, that used to make a girlfriend and marry her, because he had gone past the normal age for marriage, ie charra was a term for someone who hadn't married by 20 or so. Since most of us are single at chhara age, it's not much of a biggie if someone is behaving sexually at 18, it's just a result of being married later than when even the Gurus would have recommended.

I would recommend a different sangat for him, one with less judgemental parchar. Find some Singhs that fit this description. There was a time when I was probably doing some similar things, including being influenced by parchar from cults (not necessarily knowing the sikhs were from those cults). I also became veggie during my uni studies and gained a lot of weight, probably from potato-rich foods. So I wasn't as young as 15, but maybe finding a different kind of sangat can remove the influence. PErhaps also getting him into Raag keertan, actually taking part in the vidiya of Raag.

Tell them you're not a muslim and that you belong to an ethnic Indian native tradition or tribe similar to how Aborigines are native to Australia.

By the way it says dharam not "religion", I think that can make a great difference to the meaning.

Refreshing!

How much sewa is currently provided to gurdwaras local to the border eg Lahore? Can sewadaars get visas to at least go look after these gurdwaras if not further, by travelling by bus and train? Can organisations such as SGPC and others not provide this. If yatras can be done, then can this not be done? I think a special organisation or committee (tongue in cheek) should be set up which sends sewadaars specially for dekhpaal, looking after the gurdwaras.

Is the way the term God is used in modern translations a misrepresentations of the Sargun aspects portrayed in Gurbani? Also what is the relation of Akaal and Waheguru with the Universe and eternity and infinity? Just trying to look at a few concepts.

Is it listened to a lot? I remember when it first started, I haven't listened to it in a while due to sikhi TV channels and having a DAB.

Why does it always say " You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day " , even on the first Like I click on in a day?

http://www.sikhmarg.com/english/akal.html

And some sites are using this to say that Niddar Singh has been excommincated, when this doesn't seem the case?

I have also heard the one where the hunter shoots some soft of jewel in Sri Krishna's foot, which kills him?!

Satsriakal, Just a random random question. But are there any Nihangs and dals in Pakistan? If not, what happened to them (besides partition)?