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interesting, this will only work if sikhs still use their Gott after Singh in their name...

are there a lot of nungay men because they are probably udasi sadhus?
 
Nowadays it is more likely for women to be dressed nungi and men to be fully dressed, and the nangi girls might be able to use pictures like the above to justify some equality.So there are still nanga sadhus now, I think most sadhnis are clothed but there are probably a small minority that are dressed nangi, I heard this happened to Mai Bhago when she became a sadhni whilst being a bodyguard of Guru Gobind Singh, until the other Singhs protested at the lack of clothing, I think this is in Suraj Prakash.

are there a lot of nungay men because they are probably udasi sadhus?
 
Nowadays it is more likely for women to be dressed nungi and men to be fully dressed, and the nangi girls might be able to use pictures like the above to justify some equality.So there are still nanga sadhus now, I think most sadhnis are clothed but there are probably a small minority that are dressed nangi, I heard this happened to Mai Bhago when she became a sadhni whilst being a bodyguard of Guru Gobind Singh, until the other Singhs protested at the lack of clothing, I think this is in Suraj Prakash.

is your messaging turned off?
Just trying to remember the chariter from memory, I might get some parts wrong.
so the story was about a King who used to sleep with beautiful women that came to the palace. This made his wife jealous. His wife collaborated with a man who came to the palace disguised as a woman. Just when the king was about to have relations with this "woman", she got hold of the king and forced him down, and basically performed what can be described as "bum rape".
Would be interesting if someone can find this.

interesting, this will only work if sikhs still use their Gott after Singh in their name...

is your messaging turned off?
Just trying to remember the chariter from memory, I might get some parts wrong.
so the story was about a King who used to sleep with beautiful women that came to the palace. This made his wife jealous. His wife collaborated with a man who came to the palace disguised as a woman. Just when the king was about to have relations with this "woman", she got hold of the king and forced him down, and basically performed what can be described as "bum rape".
Would be interesting if someone can find this.

is your messaging turned off?
Just trying to remember the chariter from memory, I might get some parts wrong.
so the story was about a King who used to sleep with beautiful women that came to the palace. This made his wife jealous. His wife collaborated with a man who came to the palace disguised as a woman. Just when the king was about to have relations with this "woman", she got hold of the king and forced him down, and basically performed what can be described as "bum rape".
Would be interesting if someone can find this.

Thanks to my parents. Got out of there in time.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

maybe later on catch up All4, I don't watch traditional linear tv anymore.

read on a site years ago, the site had translations. I cannot find the site now, I might have to manually search. I can message you what happens in the story so you can try and search for it.

time for sehajdhari rehitnama Wajabu‘l-Arz to come back!
 

near Southall but also near slough. I am in a non-desi area.

maybe later on catch up All4, I don't watch traditional linear tv anymore.

maybe later on catch up All4, I don't watch traditional linear tv anymore.

maybe later on catch up All4, I don't watch traditional linear tv anymore.

Lol. Where are they? We don't need to reinvent the wheel it sounds like. 

time for sehajdhari rehitnama Wajabu‘l-Arz to come back!
 

I would like to add the Rehatname of Prehlad Singh, if anyone is interested in reading it:
Rehatnama Bhai Prahlad Singh Ji
The 10th Master, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji



Taken from http://www.nihangsingh.org/blog/




While staying at Abchal Nagar in Maharashtra, before returning to the Abode of Truth (Sach Khand) Guru Gobind Singh Ji spoke the following to the royal court attendant (Hazoori Sevak) Bhai Prahlad Singh Ji.

ਹੁਕਮ ਹੋਆ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖ ਵਾਕ ਪਾ:੧੦ ਲਾਲ ਦਰਿਆਈ ਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਥਾਇ Command from the mouth of the Tenth King. Conversation with Bhai Lal Dariaie (of the Udasi’s)

ਦੋਹਰਾ Dohra

ਅਬਚਲ ਨਗਰ ਬੈਠੇ ਗੁਰੂ, ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਕੀਆ ਬੀਚਾਰ The Guru was sitting at Abchal Nagar (Sri Hazoor Sahib), the thought entered his mind.

ਬੋਲਿਆ ਪੂਰਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ, ਕਰਿ ਨਮਸਕਾਰ ਕਰਤਾਰ । ੧ । The perfect True Guru spoke, saluting the creator Lord.

ਹੁਕਮ ਹੋਯਾ ਪ੍ਰਹਿਲਾਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਬਿਪ੍ਰ ਜਾਤ ਹੰਸਰਾਇ Calling for Bhai Prahlad Singh, from the lineage of Hansrai.

ਨਿਕਟ ਬੁਲਾਯਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ, ਲੀਨਉ ਕੰਠ ਲਗਾਇ । ੨ । Coming near Guru Ji, he was embraced.

ਪੰਥ ਚਲਯੋ ਹੈ ਜਗਤ ਮੈਂ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ The (Khalsa) Panth has been brought to this world by the grace of Guru Nanak.

ਰਹਿਤ ਬਤਾਈੲ ਖਾਲਸੇ, ਸੁਣ ਭਾਈ ਪ੍ਰਹਿਲਾਦ । ੩ । O’ Bhai Prahlad Singh, listen to the code of conduct for the Khalsa.

ਚੌਪਈ Chaupai

ਹੋਇ ਸਿਖ ਸਿਰ ਟੋਪੀ ਧਰੈ । ਸਾਤ ਜਨਮ ਕੁਸ਼ਟੀ ਹੁਇ ਮਰੈ If a Sikh wears a hat, he shall suffer through seven life times as a leper.

ਜੋ ਸਿਖ ਗਲ ਮਹਿ ਤਾਗਾ ਮੇਲੈ । ਚੌਪੜ ਬਾਜ਼ੀ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਖੇਲੈ । ੪ । The Sikh who wears the Hindu thread around his neck, gambles or visits a prostitute,

ਜਨਮ ਸੁਆਨ ਪਾਵੈਗਾ ਕੋਟਿ । ਬੀਜਯੋ ਹਾਥ ਬੁਰਾ ਇਸ ਖੋਟ Shall be born as a dog a hundred thousand times, for the evil seed produces evil fruit.

ਪਾਗ ਉਤਾਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਜੋ ਖਾਵੈ । ਸੋ ਸਿਖ ਕੁੰਭੀ ਨਰਕ ਸਿਧਾਵੈ । ੫ । The Sikh who removes his turban while eating, goes to the worst of hells.

ਦੋਹਰਾ Dohra

ਮੀਣਾ ਔਰ ਮਸੰਦੀਆ, ਮੋਨਾ ਕੁੜੀ ਜੋ ਮਾਰ The Sikh who has dealings with the Mina’s, Masand’s, those who cut their hair or kill their daughter’s,

ਹੋਇ ਸਿਖ ਵਰਤਨ ਕਰਹਿ ਅੰਤ ਕਰੇਗਾ ਖੁਆਰ । ੬ । shall at their end suffer greatly.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਕੇ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਬਿਨ ਜਪੈ ਅਉਰ ਕੋਈ ਜਾਪ Do not meditate on any other mantar besides Vaheguru,

ਸੋ ਸਾਕਤ, ਸਿਖ ਮੂਲ ਨਹਿ , ਬਾਚਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖ ਆਪ । ੭ । That faithless person is not a Sikh, this is the command from the Guru’s mouth.

ਮੇਰਉ ਹੁਕਮ ਮਾਨਹਿ ਨਹੀਂ, ਕਰਹਿ ਨ ਸਿਖ ਕੀ ਸੇਵ They who do not follow my command’s and does not serve the Sikhs,

ਸੋ ਬੀਰਜ ਮਲੇਛ ਕੋ, ਪਰਗਟ ਪਛਾਨਹੁ ਭੇਵ । ੮ । Recognise that person as an unbeliever (of the Guru).

ਚੌਪਈ Chaupai

ਹੁਕਮ ਦੇਖਿ ਕਾਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਰਾਖੈ । ਗੋਲਕ ਗੋਪ ਮਿਥਿਆ ਮੁਖ ਭਾਖੈ Those who recognise my commands, but does not follow them and takes money from the Guru’s golak for their own false needs,

ਕਾਰ ਭੇਟ ਸੁਖ ਮੰਨਤ ਚੁਰਾਵੈ । ਐਸਾ ਸਿਖ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਹਿ ਭਾਵੈ । ੯ । The offerings have been presented in hopes of happiness. Those who take the the offerings are not Sikhs. (Those who steal from the Guru’s golaks are not Sikhs).

ਤੂਟ ਪਰਿਓ ਮਾਇਆ ਕੀ ਫਾਸੀ । ਭ੍ਰਮਤਾ ਫਿਰੈ ਲਾਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀ Those caught in the net of Maya, are wandering through the 8.4 million life forms.

ਸੋ ਬੀਰਜ ਮਲੇਛ ਕੋ ਜਾਨ । ਸੁਣ ਭਾਈ ਪ੍ਰਹਿਲਾਦ ਸੁਜਾਨ । ੧੦ । Realise the evil seeds of the faithless, listen O’ Bhai Prahlad Singh.

ਗੁਰੂ ਖਾਲਸੇ ਆਦਿ ਲੋਂ ਜੋ ਪਾਲੈ ਜਗ ਮੋਹ Those who have been born a Khalsa of the Guru but is still entangled in attachment,

ਸੋ ਸਾਕਤ ਨਰਕੀ ਸਦਾ, ਇਨ ਸੇ ਕਰੈ ਜੋ ਧ੍ਰੋਹ । ੧੧ । They are bound for hell, they only commit evil.

ਸੂਹੇ ਅੰਬਰ ਪਹਿਨ ਕਰ, ਜੋ ਨਾਸੇ ਨਸਵਾਰ The Sikh who wears red, or uses tobacco

ਲਗੇ ਤਾੜਨਾ ਸੀਸ ਪਰ, ਸੁਨੀਏ ਨਰਕ ਮੰਝਾਰ । ੧੨ । They will be beaten on their head and are headed towards hell.

ਬਿਨਾ ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪੁ ਜਪੇ, ਜੋ ਜੋਵਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ They who eat without reciting Japji Sahib and Jaap Sahib (Nitnem),

ਸੋ ਬਿਸਟਾ ਕਾ ਕਿਰਮ ਹੁਇ, ਜਨਮ ਗਵਾਵੈ ਬਾਦ । ੧੩ । Are no better then waste and are ruining their lives.

ਚੌਪਈ Chaupai

ਪ੍ਰਾਤਾ ਕਾਲ ਗੁਰ ਗੀਤ ਨ ਗਾਵੈ । ਰਹਿਰਾਸ ਬਿਨਾ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਜੋ ਖਾਵੈ They are not Sikhs, those who do not sing the Guru’s songs, and eat without reciting Rehras.

ਬਾਹਰਮੁਖੀ ਸਿਖ ਤਿਸ ਜਾਨੋ । ਸਭ ਮਿਥਿਆ ਤਿਸ ਮਾਨੋ । ੧੪ । Recognise them as false Sikhs, all their actions are false.

ਲਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀ ਭ੍ਰਮਤਾ ਫਿਰੈ । ਬਾਰ ਬਾਰ ਜਗ ਜਨਮੈ ਮਰੇ They will be stuck in the cycle of 8.4 million life forms, going through birth and death again and again.

ਗੁਰੂ ਬਚਨ ਸਿਉ ਤੂਟਾ ਜਾਇ । ਦਰਗਹਿ ਤਾਂਕਉ ਮਿਲੈ ਸਜਾਇ । ੧੫ । Those who do not follow the commands of the Guru, will not find the court of the Lord.

ਦੋਹਰਾ Dohra

ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕਉ ਛਾਡ ਕਰਿ, ਭਜੈ ਦੇਵ ਕੋਈ ਅਉਰ They who leave Akaal Purkh, and start to worship Hindu deities,

ਜਨਮ ਜਨਮ ਭ੍ਰਮਤਾ ਫਿਰਹਿ, ਲਹਹਿ ਨ ਸੁਖ ਕੀ ਠਉਰ । ੧੬ । They will wander through birth after birth, and will never find true peace.

ਪਾਹਨ ਕੀ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰੈ, ਸਿਖ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਵਹਿ ਸੀਸ They who do idol worship and do not treat another Sikh with respect,

ਸੋ ਸਾਕਤ ਨਿਗੁਰਾ ਸਦਾ, ਮਾਰਿਆ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਜਗਦੀਸ । ੧੭ । That person is forever without a Guru, and is destroyed by the Lord of the world.

ਕਰੀ ਥਾਪਨਾ ਜਾਸ ਕੀ, ਮੋਹ ਜੁ ਅਪਨੇ ਹਾਥਿ Those who claim to be equal to the creation made by the Guru’s hands

ਤਿਸ ਕੀ ਸਮਸਰ ਜੋ ਕਰੈ, ਜਰ ਜਾਵਹਿ ਕੁਲ ਸਾਥਿ । ੧੮ । They will suffer for this mistake, along with their companions (followers).

ਕਾਰ ਭੇਟ ਸੁਖ ਮੰਨਤ ਕਰ, ਜੋ ਸਿਖ ਚਿਤ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਇ The Sikh who promises to make an offering, but does not follow through,

ਸੋ ਸਾਕਤ ਪਾਪੀ ਸਦਾ, ਬਿਕਟ ਰੂਪ ਹੋਇ ਜਾਇ । ੧੯ । They will forever be a faithless sinner, in the most horrible form.

ਕੁੜੀਮਾਰ ਮਸੰਦ ਜੋ, ਮੀਣੇ ਕਾ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ By accepting food for those who kill their daughters, the Masand’s and Mina’s

ਲਏ ਜੁ ਇਨ ਕੇ ਹਾਥ ਕਾ, ਜਨਮ ਗਵਾਵਹਿ ਬਾਦ । ੨੦ । Eating from their hands, is a waste of the human birth.

ਛਾਡ ਸਿਖਨ ਕੇ ਚਰਨ ਕਉ, ਲਏ ਪੰਥ ਜੋ ਅਉਰ Those who leave the holy feet of Sikhi and follow another panth,

ਐਥਹਿ ਓਥਹਿ ਦੁਖ ਲਹੈ, ਗੁਰ ਸਿਖਨ ਕੋ ਚੋਰ । ੨੧ । Finds pain here and hereafter. This is the fate of those who betray the Guru.



ਚੌਪਈ Chaupai

ਮੜੀ ਗੋਰ ਦੇਵਲ ਜੋ ਮਾਨੈ, ਪਰ ਪੰਥਨ ਕੋ ਊਚ ਬਖਾਨੈ They who worship at cremation grounds, tombs, or idols, or who promotes a misled path,

ਸੋ ਸਾਕਤ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਿਖ ਨਾਹੀ । ਫਾਸਿ ਪਰਯੋ ਜਮ ਕੰਕਰ ਪਾਹੀ । ੨੨ । They are faithless and are not a Sikh of the Guru, they are caught in the noose of death.

ਟੋਪੀ ਦੇਖਿ ਨਿਵਾਵਹਿ ਸੀਸ । ਸੋ ਸਿਖ ਨਰਕੀ ਬਿਸਵੈ ਬੀਸ They who salute someone wearing a hat (Muslim Imam), they are destined to hell.

ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰੈ । ਸੋ ਸਿਖ ਬੰਸ ਸਗਲ ਲੇ ਤਰੈ । ੨੩ । Serve the Immortal Being, and carry your family across the ocean of life.

ਦੋਹਰਾ Dohra

ਗੁਰੂ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਮਾਨੀਅਹਿ, ਪਰਗਟ ਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ ਦੇਹ Accept the Khalsa as the Guru, this is the Guru’s body.

ਜੋ ਸਿਖ ਮੋ ਮਿਲਬੇ ਚਹਿਹ, ਖੋਜ ਇਨਹੁ ਮਹਿ ਲੇਹੁ । ੨੪ । Those Sikhs looking to find me, will see me in the midst of the Khalsa.

ਕਾਨ ਕਟੇ ਅਰ ਤੁਰਕ ਕਾ, ਕਰੈ ਨ ਮੂਲ ਵਿਸਾਹੁ Do not place faith in the Kanpatt Yogi, or in the Muslims,

ਜੋ ਸਿਖ ਸੋਂ ਹਿਤ ਨ ਕਰਹਿ, ਸੋ ਨਰਕੇ ਪਰਿ ਜਾਹੁ । ੨੫ । That Sikh who doesn’t have faith in their heart, is destined for hell.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ, ਰਸਨਾ ਰਟਹਿ ਜੋ ਹੋਰ The hymns of the Guru’s contains the nectar, you won’t find it any where else,

ਸੋ ਮਾਰਿਆ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਕਾ, ਪੜਾ ਨਰਕ ਮਧ ਘੋਰ । ੨੬ । Being destroyed by the creator, you are destined for hell.

ਚੌਪਈ Chaupai

ਛੇ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਜੋ ਮਤ ਧਾਰੈ । ਕੁਲ ਸੰਬੂਹ ਲੈ ਨਰਕ ਸਿਧਾਰੈ They who put faith in the six darshans of the Hindu’s are headed to hell with their descendants.

ਬਾਝਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਸਿਖਨ ਕਰੇ ਸੇਵਾ । ਮਿਥਿਆ ਮਾਨੋ ਸੁਰ ਨਰ ਦੇਵਾ । ੨੭ । Perform the seva of the Guru’s Sikhs, not the service of Gods, Goddess and false idols.

ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੀ ਮੂਰਤ ਏਹ । ਪਰਗਟ ਅਕਾਲ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਦੇਵ This is the visible image of the Immortal Being, the form of the Khalsa.

ਯਾਮੇਂ ਰੰਚ ਮਿਥਿਆ ਨਹਿ ਭਾਖੀ । ਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਅੰਗਦ ਸਾਖੀ । ੨੮ । Nothing that has been spoken is false, Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Guru Angad Dev Ji bear witness.

ਦੋਹਰਾ Dohra

ਲੈਣਾ ਦੇਣਾ ਖਾਲਸੇ, ਆਨ ਦੇਵ ਸਭ ਝੂਠ Receive and give to the Khalsa, to give to idols is false.

ਅਉਰ ਦੇਵ ਇਵ ਮਾਨੀਏ, ਜਿਉਂ ਬਾਰੂ ਕੀ ਮੂਠ । ੨੯ । It is like sand running through your fingers.

ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੇ ਬਚਨ ਸਿਉਂ, ਪਰਗਟ ਚਲਾਯੋ ਪੰਥ From the command of Akaal Purkh, has this path (Sikhi) appeared.

ਸਭ ਸਿਖਨ ਕੋ ਬਚਨ ਹੈ, ਗੁਰੂ ਮਾਨੀਅਹੁ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ । ੩੦ । The command for all the Sikhs is to accept the Granth Sahib as your Guru.

ਥਾਪ ਚਲਯੋ ਜੋ ਜਗਤ ਮੈਂ ਤਿਨਹਿ ਨਿਵਾਵਉ ਮਾਥ It has been delivered to the world, and all should salute the Granth (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji).

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਕੇ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਬਿਨ, ਮਿਥਿਆ ਸਾਰੀ ਗਾਥ । ੩੧ । Without the Vaheguru mantar, all singing is false.

ਸਿਖ ਕਉ ਸਿਖ ਜਉ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਦੀਨਾ । ਕੋਟਿ ਅਸੁਮੈਧ ਜਗ ਫਲ ਕੀਨਾ When the Sikhs initiate another Sikh with Amrit, the blessings are more then thousands of Hindu horse sacrifices (Asumaidh).

ਜੋ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਿਖ ਗਾਵੈ । ਜੀਵਨ ਮੁਕਤ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਪਾਵੈ । ੩੨ । Those Sikhs who sing the Guru’s hymns, they find liberation while still alive.

ਚਾਪੀ ਕਰੋ ਮਲਹਿ ਸਿਖ ਚਰਨਾ । ਤਿਸ ਸਿਖ ਕੋ ਮੈਂ ਲੀਨੋ ਸਰਨਾ The Sikh, who massages the feet of another Sikh, I take that Sikh into my sanctuary.

ਕਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਸਿਖ ਮੁਖ ਪਾਵੈ । ਤਿਸ ਸਿਖ ਪੈ ਗੁਰ ਵਾਰਨੇ ਜਾਵੈ । ੩੩ । The Sikh who feeds another Sikh, also goes to the Guru’s fraternity.

ਰਹਿਰਾਸ ਸਮੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੁਕਮ ਕੋ, ਪਢਹਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤ ਸਤ ਭਾਉ This is the command of the Guru, recite Rehras with true love in your heart,

ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਸਹਿਤ ਰਸਨਾ ਰਟਹਿ, ਪਰਗਟ ਮਿਲਹਿ ਮੁਹਿ ਆਉ । ੩੪ । They who recite it with love, will meet the Guru this way.

ਬਚਨ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਤ ਰਖਹਿ ਸਿਖ ਜੋਈ । ਤੈਸੋ ਹੀ ਫਲ ਪਰਾਪਤ ਹੋਈ The Sikh who keeps love for the Guru’s command, will reap the fruit of this.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਬਚਨ ਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ ਮੂਰਤ, ਭੁਗਤ ਮੁਕਤ ਵਰ ਸਾਚੋ ਪੂਰਤ । ੩੫ । The Guru’s teachings is the Guru’s form, from this receive all pleasures, liberation and desires.

ਰਹਿਣੀ ਰਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਸਿਖ ਮੇਰਾ, ਵਹ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਮੈਂ ਉਸ ਕਾ ਚੇਰਾ That Sikh who lives the code of conduct is my Sikh, They are my Master, I am their disciple.

ਕਰਹਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੀ ਆਸਾ । ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਕਟ ਡਾਰੈ ਫਾਸਾ । ੩੬ । Place your faith in the Immortal Being, the noose of birth and death will be cut.

ਸਤਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ, ਧਰਮ ਬੀਜ ਯਹ ਮੰਤ The true Immortal Being, Sri Vaheguru, is the root mantar of all righteousness.

ਸਰਬ ਜਾਪ ਕਉ ਜਾਪੁ ਇਹ, ਕਹਿਓ ਆਦਿ ਅਰ ਅੰਤ । ੩੭ । Reciting and meditating on all mantars is contained in this (Vaheguru Mantar), spoken from the beginning till the end of time.

ਸੰਬਤ ਸਤ੍ਰਹ ਸੈ ਭਏ, ਬਰਖ ਬਵੰਜਾ ਨਿਹਾਰ Sambat 1752 has arrived

ਮਾਘ ਵਦੀ ਥਿਤਿ ਪੰਚਮੀ, ਰਵਿਵਾਰ ਸੁਭ ਵਾਰ । ੩੮ । Sunday, the fifth day of the dark half of the month of Magh.
 
Reading this the valid comment on the dating of it has come up. Can anyone accurately say when 1752 Bikrami was in AD?
Apart from that it seems like it would have occurred during 1708 and be written possibly around that time or later. I have seen two different versions of this rehatnama on the net, and the other version does not include any date to it and ends on verse 37.  Was it common for rehatname to include year of composition?
 
 
 

I think the first bit was about Sikhs working in the Mughal courts, who had to trim their moustaches and beards to work in the courts.

 Look again at kacheriya, so it's especially talking about working in courts.
 
 
Rehitnama for Sahajdhari Sikhs | Gurbani Vichar
 
 
Translation of Sahajdhari Rehitnama (Wajabu‘l-Arz)

Once the Sahajdhari Sikhs presented ten questions to Guru Gobind Singh. The Guru answered all the questions, and had them authentically recorded. This document came to be known as Wajabu'l-Arz: Proper and Authentic Answers to Questions of Sahajdharis. This document was signed by Guru Gobind Singh, and this is a correct copy of the same document. These Commandments should be considered Rehit-Vivek (Moral Code) essential for Sahajdhari Sikhs. These Ten Commandments were enunciated by the tenth Guru (Mahalla Das), each Rule was recorded and then signed by the Master. These Ten Commandments removed the prevailing confusion about the Sahajdhari Rehit.
 
(1) First Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Master, we Sahajdharis arrange marriages by inviting the Brahmins to perform Vedic rites. Now the Sikhs say that we should perform the marriage by Anand marriage rites, enunciated by the Sikh Gurus and we should not invite the Brahmins. What is your command, Master?
 
Guru Gobind Singh Answered and Signed the Statement: First, perform the marriage according to Anand marriage rites, and then you can perform your traditional Vedic rites, if you wish.
 
(2) Second Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: What are to be our relations with five repudiated religious groups: (i) Minas: Followers of Prithi Mal, (ii) Dhirmalias: Followers of Dhirmal, Elder brother of Guru Hari Rai, (iii) Ram Raiyas: Followers of Ram Rai, elder brother of Guru Hari Krishan, (iv) Followers of Masands, corrupt and rejected priests of the Old Order, (v) Sirgum: (wrongly translated clean-shaven). It means Jains who are mostly atheists and pull their hair one by one, till they become bald.
 
Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Do not have any inter-marriage or socio-cultural relations with the followers of these five religious groups.

Further Supplementary Question: Master who are the sirgum?

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: The Sarevare Jains, who are atheists: Anisarvadi.

Further Supplementary Question: Master some of us are traders and businessmen. Some of us are government servants. Our professional duties bring us into contact with everyone. Sometimes we cannot avoid them because we cannot know a person’s belief from a person’s face or dress.
 
Guru Gobind Singh Answered: You can always question a person about his cult and creed. Formal trade relations or market place encounters apart, you should avoid inter-cultural mixture with these people. If professional duties compel you to have any such relations with them, make amends for transgression of this rule by offering Prayer (Ardasa) seeking forgiveness.

(3) Third Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Then the Sahajdhari Sikhs asked the third question. O True King, we Sahajdharis are your Sikhs. When our father or mother dies, we perform the mourning ceremony of shaving our heads Bhadra-karan. Now the Khalsa Sikhs say the Khalsa has been created according to the Command and Will of God. We should not perform the Hindu mourning ceremony of Bhadra-karan (shaving the head). O True King, we shall do what you command us to do.

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Sahajdhari Sikhs should not perform the Hindu mourning ceremony of shaving their heads. They should perform the Sikh rites of reading the Holy Book, offering prayers for the departed soul and food in the community kitchen, but if the custom of the land in which you live compel you to perform other rites, you can do so after the Sikh rites have been performed.

(4) Fourth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: True Lord, on the occasion of marriages in the family we generally invited the Brahmins and offered them food. Now the Khalsa Sikhs say food should not be offered to the Brahmins but to the Sikhs. True King, we shall accept your command.
 
Guru Gobind Singh Answered and Signed the Statement: The Guru’s Community Kitchen (langar) is open to all. You should offer food to Sikhs and also to non-Sikhs, such as Brahmins, other castes and creed people, way-farers and pilgrims coming to holy places. To everyone offer food with respect and devotion.
 
(5) Fifth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Master, when a bridegroom leaves with a marriage party for the marriage ceremony, we shave him with razor to perform the ceremony. What should we do now?
 
Guru Gobind Singh Answered: The clean-shaven Sahajdharis may use scissors for any such traditional ceremony, they wish to perform, but they should not use a razor. But the Kesadhari Sahajdharis should give Amrit Pahul (Khalsa baptism) to their sons before their marriage ceremony is performed.

(6) Sixth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: True King! We Sahajdhari Sikhs generally take the bones and ashes of our dead to the Ganges. Now some Khalsa Sikhs say that we should not do so. What is your command on this issue Lord?

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: If you can afford to reach the Ganges you can do so. We are not particular about it. Many of my brave and saintly Sikhs die in the battlefield. They are generally cremated there. For them the battlefield is as holy as the Kurukshetra. The suburb of a holy place like Amritsar, which is visited by saintly pilgrims, is equally good, where the remains of the dead are sanctified by the dust of holy men. The prayers of the pilgrims will bless the dead. The remains of the dead are placed at the feet of the Sadh Sangat: congregation of saintly persons.

(7) Seventh Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: We Sahajdhari Sikhs, True Lord, trim our beards according to Mughal style when some of us have to attend Mughal courts, or attend to clerical duties in Mughal service. What shall we do now?

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: You, who are Sahajdhari Sikhs should now keep a full beard, just as the Khalsa Sikhs keep, but if there is official compulsion, you may comply with the orders of your rulers. But when you go to the Sadh Sangat (Congregation of the Sikh Temple) and wish to participate in their activities, offer Ardasa (Invocational Prayer) seeking forgiveness for this transgression.

(8) Eighth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: True Lord, there are some Sahajdhari Sikhs who go on pilgrimage to Ganges, how should we deal with them when they come back?
 
Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Deal with them with compassion, understanding and love. Do not cause any embarrassment to them.

(9) Ninth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Master, you have commanded us not to have any social and cultural relations with five disowned and rejected religious groups viz: followers of Prithi Mal (Minas), Dhirmal, Ram Rai, Masands and Atheists (Jains who do not believe in God). Are we to avoid even casual meetings with them?

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: My blessed Sikhs, my command on this issue is that you should completely avoid the followers of these groups. If there is any disturbing supporter of these groups in your assembly, remove him from the assembly. The reason is that instead of joining the assembly in prayer and meditation they would talk and argue in such a way that they would destroy the faith and convictions of innocent people. They cause doubt, confusion and mischievously disturb the faith of innocent people. They talk and debate in such way, on the basis of false doctrines, false history in support of impostor gurus and saints, that many innocent people and sincere devotees are misled and hurt. The more they spread their false teachings, the more harm they do to those who happen to take them seriously. But if out of these followers of impostor Gurus and atheistic cults anyone repents and turns towards truth and the right path and expresses his willingness to follow Sikh ideals sincerely, he should be forgiven and accepted in the Brotherhood of Sikhs. The door should be kept open for the truly repentant. Enlighten such a one with the true doctrines of the Gurus. He must earn his own living by his own labours and never beg like mendicants, and lead a life of devotion. Your own heart should be pure and your faith should be strong. Casual meetings with them will not matter much.

(10) Tenth Question of the Sahajdhari Sikhs: When any member of our family died, we invited the Brahmin priests to read Garar Purana and the Gayatri mantra and perform other Hindu rites. Now the Brahmin priests refuse to come to our funeral services and perform these ceremonies. They insist that we should live like orthodox Hindus, wear sacred thread and observe all rites, which the Hindu Scriptures demand from their devotees. What is your command on this issue O King of kings? We shall obey it and in future carry out your instructions.

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Be strong in your faith and conviction of Sikhs ideals. Give up all Brahmanical rites and perform the Sikh rites of reading the whole of Granth Sahib. After the reading ceremony is over, listen to the Interpretation (Katha) of Guru Arjan Dev’s Sahaskriti Slokas (67 verses in Prakritized Sanskrit) by a learned Sikh, who understands and can explain them.

Read also the first Soloka of Maru Raga. Prepare Karah Prasad and distribute it in the name of the dead after Invocational Prayer. The departed soul will be born as a Khalsa Sikh in his next birth and lead a saintly life for his ultimate redemption. You, the kith and kin, will also be blessed with peace, knowledge and enlightenment. There is nothing more precious in life than the Name of God, and sincere Faith and devotion of God. Contemplate the Name of God and share your surplus food and earnings with the needy. These are the Ten Commandments for the Sahajdharis.

“Guru Gobind Singh, King of Kings Signed and Authenticated the Document. This is a Copy of the Original Document.”

there is some backside action in Charitropakhyan, but the only one I read about was male dominance rape as opposed to being a truly homosexual. Need to read the story about the king who slept with nice women coming to his court and his wife wanting revenge to get the correct context!
Can do Sukhmani Sahib and Anand Sahib. We need to remember there weren't many Guru Granth Sahib saroops in puraatan times so the modern form of Anand Karaj wasn't performed.

there is some backside action in Charitropakhyan, but the only one I read about was male dominance rape as opposed to being a truly homosexual. Need to read the story about the king who slept with nice women coming to his court and his wife wanting revenge to get the correct context!
Can do Sukhmani Sahib and Anand Sahib. We need to remember there weren't many Guru Granth Sahib saroops in puraatan times so the modern form of Anand Karaj wasn't performed.

I think the first bit was about Sikhs working in the Mughal courts, who had to trim their moustaches and beards to work in the courts.

 Look again at kacheriya, so it's especially talking about working in courts.
 
 
Rehitnama for Sahajdhari Sikhs | Gurbani Vichar
 
 
Translation of Sahajdhari Rehitnama (Wajabu‘l-Arz)

Once the Sahajdhari Sikhs presented ten questions to Guru Gobind Singh. The Guru answered all the questions, and had them authentically recorded. This document came to be known as Wajabu'l-Arz: Proper and Authentic Answers to Questions of Sahajdharis. This document was signed by Guru Gobind Singh, and this is a correct copy of the same document. These Commandments should be considered Rehit-Vivek (Moral Code) essential for Sahajdhari Sikhs. These Ten Commandments were enunciated by the tenth Guru (Mahalla Das), each Rule was recorded and then signed by the Master. These Ten Commandments removed the prevailing confusion about the Sahajdhari Rehit.
 
(1) First Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Master, we Sahajdharis arrange marriages by inviting the Brahmins to perform Vedic rites. Now the Sikhs say that we should perform the marriage by Anand marriage rites, enunciated by the Sikh Gurus and we should not invite the Brahmins. What is your command, Master?
 
Guru Gobind Singh Answered and Signed the Statement: First, perform the marriage according to Anand marriage rites, and then you can perform your traditional Vedic rites, if you wish.
 
(2) Second Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: What are to be our relations with five repudiated religious groups: (i) Minas: Followers of Prithi Mal, (ii) Dhirmalias: Followers of Dhirmal, Elder brother of Guru Hari Rai, (iii) Ram Raiyas: Followers of Ram Rai, elder brother of Guru Hari Krishan, (iv) Followers of Masands, corrupt and rejected priests of the Old Order, (v) Sirgum: (wrongly translated clean-shaven). It means Jains who are mostly atheists and pull their hair one by one, till they become bald.
 
Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Do not have any inter-marriage or socio-cultural relations with the followers of these five religious groups.

Further Supplementary Question: Master who are the sirgum?

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: The Sarevare Jains, who are atheists: Anisarvadi.

Further Supplementary Question: Master some of us are traders and businessmen. Some of us are government servants. Our professional duties bring us into contact with everyone. Sometimes we cannot avoid them because we cannot know a person’s belief from a person’s face or dress.
 
Guru Gobind Singh Answered: You can always question a person about his cult and creed. Formal trade relations or market place encounters apart, you should avoid inter-cultural mixture with these people. If professional duties compel you to have any such relations with them, make amends for transgression of this rule by offering Prayer (Ardasa) seeking forgiveness.

(3) Third Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Then the Sahajdhari Sikhs asked the third question. O True King, we Sahajdharis are your Sikhs. When our father or mother dies, we perform the mourning ceremony of shaving our heads Bhadra-karan. Now the Khalsa Sikhs say the Khalsa has been created according to the Command and Will of God. We should not perform the Hindu mourning ceremony of Bhadra-karan (shaving the head). O True King, we shall do what you command us to do.

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Sahajdhari Sikhs should not perform the Hindu mourning ceremony of shaving their heads. They should perform the Sikh rites of reading the Holy Book, offering prayers for the departed soul and food in the community kitchen, but if the custom of the land in which you live compel you to perform other rites, you can do so after the Sikh rites have been performed.

(4) Fourth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: True Lord, on the occasion of marriages in the family we generally invited the Brahmins and offered them food. Now the Khalsa Sikhs say food should not be offered to the Brahmins but to the Sikhs. True King, we shall accept your command.
 
Guru Gobind Singh Answered and Signed the Statement: The Guru’s Community Kitchen (langar) is open to all. You should offer food to Sikhs and also to non-Sikhs, such as Brahmins, other castes and creed people, way-farers and pilgrims coming to holy places. To everyone offer food with respect and devotion.
 
(5) Fifth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Master, when a bridegroom leaves with a marriage party for the marriage ceremony, we shave him with razor to perform the ceremony. What should we do now?
 
Guru Gobind Singh Answered: The clean-shaven Sahajdharis may use scissors for any such traditional ceremony, they wish to perform, but they should not use a razor. But the Kesadhari Sahajdharis should give Amrit Pahul (Khalsa baptism) to their sons before their marriage ceremony is performed.

(6) Sixth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: True King! We Sahajdhari Sikhs generally take the bones and ashes of our dead to the Ganges. Now some Khalsa Sikhs say that we should not do so. What is your command on this issue Lord?

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: If you can afford to reach the Ganges you can do so. We are not particular about it. Many of my brave and saintly Sikhs die in the battlefield. They are generally cremated there. For them the battlefield is as holy as the Kurukshetra. The suburb of a holy place like Amritsar, which is visited by saintly pilgrims, is equally good, where the remains of the dead are sanctified by the dust of holy men. The prayers of the pilgrims will bless the dead. The remains of the dead are placed at the feet of the Sadh Sangat: congregation of saintly persons.

(7) Seventh Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: We Sahajdhari Sikhs, True Lord, trim our beards according to Mughal style when some of us have to attend Mughal courts, or attend to clerical duties in Mughal service. What shall we do now?

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: You, who are Sahajdhari Sikhs should now keep a full beard, just as the Khalsa Sikhs keep, but if there is official compulsion, you may comply with the orders of your rulers. But when you go to the Sadh Sangat (Congregation of the Sikh Temple) and wish to participate in their activities, offer Ardasa (Invocational Prayer) seeking forgiveness for this transgression.

(8) Eighth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: True Lord, there are some Sahajdhari Sikhs who go on pilgrimage to Ganges, how should we deal with them when they come back?
 
Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Deal with them with compassion, understanding and love. Do not cause any embarrassment to them.

(9) Ninth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Master, you have commanded us not to have any social and cultural relations with five disowned and rejected religious groups viz: followers of Prithi Mal (Minas), Dhirmal, Ram Rai, Masands and Atheists (Jains who do not believe in God). Are we to avoid even casual meetings with them?

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: My blessed Sikhs, my command on this issue is that you should completely avoid the followers of these groups. If there is any disturbing supporter of these groups in your assembly, remove him from the assembly. The reason is that instead of joining the assembly in prayer and meditation they would talk and argue in such a way that they would destroy the faith and convictions of innocent people. They cause doubt, confusion and mischievously disturb the faith of innocent people. They talk and debate in such way, on the basis of false doctrines, false history in support of impostor gurus and saints, that many innocent people and sincere devotees are misled and hurt. The more they spread their false teachings, the more harm they do to those who happen to take them seriously. But if out of these followers of impostor Gurus and atheistic cults anyone repents and turns towards truth and the right path and expresses his willingness to follow Sikh ideals sincerely, he should be forgiven and accepted in the Brotherhood of Sikhs. The door should be kept open for the truly repentant. Enlighten such a one with the true doctrines of the Gurus. He must earn his own living by his own labours and never beg like mendicants, and lead a life of devotion. Your own heart should be pure and your faith should be strong. Casual meetings with them will not matter much.

(10) Tenth Question of the Sahajdhari Sikhs: When any member of our family died, we invited the Brahmin priests to read Garar Purana and the Gayatri mantra and perform other Hindu rites. Now the Brahmin priests refuse to come to our funeral services and perform these ceremonies. They insist that we should live like orthodox Hindus, wear sacred thread and observe all rites, which the Hindu Scriptures demand from their devotees. What is your command on this issue O King of kings? We shall obey it and in future carry out your instructions.

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Be strong in your faith and conviction of Sikhs ideals. Give up all Brahmanical rites and perform the Sikh rites of reading the whole of Granth Sahib. After the reading ceremony is over, listen to the Interpretation (Katha) of Guru Arjan Dev’s Sahaskriti Slokas (67 verses in Prakritized Sanskrit) by a learned Sikh, who understands and can explain them.

Read also the first Soloka of Maru Raga. Prepare Karah Prasad and distribute it in the name of the dead after Invocational Prayer. The departed soul will be born as a Khalsa Sikh in his next birth and lead a saintly life for his ultimate redemption. You, the kith and kin, will also be blessed with peace, knowledge and enlightenment. There is nothing more precious in life than the Name of God, and sincere Faith and devotion of God. Contemplate the Name of God and share your surplus food and earnings with the needy. These are the Ten Commandments for the Sahajdharis.

“Guru Gobind Singh, King of Kings Signed and Authenticated the Document. This is a Copy of the Original Document.”

they once visited Guru Nanak School Hayes in the 90s to do keertan.

they once visited Guru Nanak School Hayes in the 90s to do keertan.

there is some backside action in Charitropakhyan, but the only one I read about was male dominance rape as opposed to being a truly homosexual. Need to read the story about the king who slept with nice women coming to his court and his wife wanting revenge to get the correct context!
Can do Sukhmani Sahib and Anand Sahib. We need to remember there weren't many Guru Granth Sahib saroops in puraatan times so the modern form of Anand Karaj wasn't performed.