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1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Doesn't it say it's better to keep it? Google translate isn't perfect. 

It states that ".....it is good, if you keep Kesh like the Keshdhaaris", but then there is another statement after that. That's the one Daas is interested in knowing more about.

Thanks

 

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4 minutes ago, paapiman said:

@dalsingh101

Paaji, did you get a chance to look at the above extract? Did I get the translation right?

 

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I don't get what ਮਾਤ ਵਧੀਕ  means? 

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19 hours ago, paapiman said:

IMHO, it means "Excessive Percentage".

 

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I can't make sense of it? 

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2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

I can't make sense of it? 

IMHO, that line means if the hair is excessive, then you can cut them.

Look at the words used:

ਬਰਾਬਰ can mean ਪਧੱਰ. ਪਧੱਰ means to "level it".

ਜਰੂਰ is also used in that sentence, which can imply "for sure". 

Thus, we possibly have the following translation:

"Otherwise, for sure if their (hair's) percentage is excessive, then you can level (by cutting) them."

 

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I think the first bit was about Sikhs working in the Mughal courts, who had to trim their moustaches and beards to work in the courts.

 Look again at kacheriya, so it's especially talking about working in courts.

 

 

Rehitnama for Sahajdhari Sikhs | Gurbani Vichar

 

 

Translation of Sahajdhari Rehitnama (Wajabu‘l-Arz)

Once the Sahajdhari Sikhs presented ten questions to Guru Gobind Singh. The Guru answered all the questions, and had them authentically recorded. This document came to be known as Wajabu'l-Arz: Proper and Authentic Answers to Questions of Sahajdharis. This document was signed by Guru Gobind Singh, and this is a correct copy of the same document. These Commandments should be considered Rehit-Vivek (Moral Code) essential for Sahajdhari Sikhs. These Ten Commandments were enunciated by the tenth Guru (Mahalla Das), each Rule was recorded and then signed by the Master. These Ten Commandments removed the prevailing confusion about the Sahajdhari Rehit.

 

(1) First Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Master, we Sahajdharis arrange marriages by inviting the Brahmins to perform Vedic rites. Now the Sikhs say that we should perform the marriage by Anand marriage rites, enunciated by the Sikh Gurus and we should not invite the Brahmins. What is your command, Master?

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered and Signed the Statement: First, perform the marriage according to Anand marriage rites, and then you can perform your traditional Vedic rites, if you wish.

 

(2) Second Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: What are to be our relations with five repudiated religious groups: (i) Minas: Followers of Prithi Mal, (ii) Dhirmalias: Followers of Dhirmal, Elder brother of Guru Hari Rai, (iii) Ram Raiyas: Followers of Ram Rai, elder brother of Guru Hari Krishan, (iv) Followers of Masands, corrupt and rejected priests of the Old Order, (v) Sirgum: (wrongly translated clean-shaven). It means Jains who are mostly atheists and pull their hair one by one, till they become bald.

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Do not have any inter-marriage or socio-cultural relations with the followers of these five religious groups.

Further Supplementary Question: Master who are the sirgum?

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: The Sarevare Jains, who are atheists: Anisarvadi.

Further Supplementary Question: Master some of us are traders and businessmen. Some of us are government servants. Our professional duties bring us into contact with everyone. Sometimes we cannot avoid them because we cannot know a person’s belief from a person’s face or dress.

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: You can always question a person about his cult and creed. Formal trade relations or market place encounters apart, you should avoid inter-cultural mixture with these people. If professional duties compel you to have any such relations with them, make amends for transgression of this rule by offering Prayer (Ardasa) seeking forgiveness.

(3) Third Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Then the Sahajdhari Sikhs asked the third question. O True King, we Sahajdharis are your Sikhs. When our father or mother dies, we perform the mourning ceremony of shaving our heads Bhadra-karan. Now the Khalsa Sikhs say the Khalsa has been created according to the Command and Will of God. We should not perform the Hindu mourning ceremony of Bhadra-karan (shaving the head). O True King, we shall do what you command us to do.

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Sahajdhari Sikhs should not perform the Hindu mourning ceremony of shaving their heads. They should perform the Sikh rites of reading the Holy Book, offering prayers for the departed soul and food in the community kitchen, but if the custom of the land in which you live compel you to perform other rites, you can do so after the Sikh rites have been performed.

(4) Fourth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: True Lord, on the occasion of marriages in the family we generally invited the Brahmins and offered them food. Now the Khalsa Sikhs say food should not be offered to the Brahmins but to the Sikhs. True King, we shall accept your command.

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered and Signed the Statement: The Guru’s Community Kitchen (langar) is open to all. You should offer food to Sikhs and also to non-Sikhs, such as Brahmins, other castes and creed people, way-farers and pilgrims coming to holy places. To everyone offer food with respect and devotion.

 

(5) Fifth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Master, when a bridegroom leaves with a marriage party for the marriage ceremony, we shave him with razor to perform the ceremony. What should we do now?

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: The clean-shaven Sahajdharis may use scissors for any such traditional ceremony, they wish to perform, but they should not use a razor. But the Kesadhari Sahajdharis should give Amrit Pahul (Khalsa baptism) to their sons before their marriage ceremony is performed.

(6) Sixth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: True King! We Sahajdhari Sikhs generally take the bones and ashes of our dead to the Ganges. Now some Khalsa Sikhs say that we should not do so. What is your command on this issue Lord?

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: If you can afford to reach the Ganges you can do so. We are not particular about it. Many of my brave and saintly Sikhs die in the battlefield. They are generally cremated there. For them the battlefield is as holy as the Kurukshetra. The suburb of a holy place like Amritsar, which is visited by saintly pilgrims, is equally good, where the remains of the dead are sanctified by the dust of holy men. The prayers of the pilgrims will bless the dead. The remains of the dead are placed at the feet of the Sadh Sangat: congregation of saintly persons.

(7) Seventh Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: We Sahajdhari Sikhs, True Lord, trim our beards according to Mughal style when some of us have to attend Mughal courts, or attend to clerical duties in Mughal service. What shall we do now?

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: You, who are Sahajdhari Sikhs should now keep a full beard, just as the Khalsa Sikhs keep, but if there is official compulsion, you may comply with the orders of your rulers. But when you go to the Sadh Sangat (Congregation of the Sikh Temple) and wish to participate in their activities, offer Ardasa (Invocational Prayer) seeking forgiveness for this transgression.

(8) Eighth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: True Lord, there are some Sahajdhari Sikhs who go on pilgrimage to Ganges, how should we deal with them when they come back?

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Deal with them with compassion, understanding and love. Do not cause any embarrassment to them.

(9) Ninth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Master, you have commanded us not to have any social and cultural relations with five disowned and rejected religious groups viz: followers of Prithi Mal (Minas), Dhirmal, Ram Rai, Masands and Atheists (Jains who do not believe in God). Are we to avoid even casual meetings with them?

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: My blessed Sikhs, my command on this issue is that you should completely avoid the followers of these groups. If there is any disturbing supporter of these groups in your assembly, remove him from the assembly. The reason is that instead of joining the assembly in prayer and meditation they would talk and argue in such a way that they would destroy the faith and convictions of innocent people. They cause doubt, confusion and mischievously disturb the faith of innocent people. They talk and debate in such way, on the basis of false doctrines, false history in support of impostor gurus and saints, that many innocent people and sincere devotees are misled and hurt. The more they spread their false teachings, the more harm they do to those who happen to take them seriously. But if out of these followers of impostor Gurus and atheistic cults anyone repents and turns towards truth and the right path and expresses his willingness to follow Sikh ideals sincerely, he should be forgiven and accepted in the Brotherhood of Sikhs. The door should be kept open for the truly repentant. Enlighten such a one with the true doctrines of the Gurus. He must earn his own living by his own labours and never beg like mendicants, and lead a life of devotion. Your own heart should be pure and your faith should be strong. Casual meetings with them will not matter much.

(10) Tenth Question of the Sahajdhari Sikhs: When any member of our family died, we invited the Brahmin priests to read Garar Purana and the Gayatri mantra and perform other Hindu rites. Now the Brahmin priests refuse to come to our funeral services and perform these ceremonies. They insist that we should live like orthodox Hindus, wear sacred thread and observe all rites, which the Hindu Scriptures demand from their devotees. What is your command on this issue O King of kings? We shall obey it and in future carry out your instructions.

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Be strong in your faith and conviction of Sikhs ideals. Give up all Brahmanical rites and perform the Sikh rites of reading the whole of Granth Sahib. After the reading ceremony is over, listen to the Interpretation (Katha) of Guru Arjan Dev’s Sahaskriti Slokas (67 verses in Prakritized Sanskrit) by a learned Sikh, who understands and can explain them.

Read also the first Soloka of Maru Raga. Prepare Karah Prasad and distribute it in the name of the dead after Invocational Prayer. The departed soul will be born as a Khalsa Sikh in his next birth and lead a saintly life for his ultimate redemption. You, the kith and kin, will also be blessed with peace, knowledge and enlightenment. There is nothing more precious in life than the Name of God, and sincere Faith and devotion of God. Contemplate the Name of God and share your surplus food and earnings with the needy. These are the Ten Commandments for the Sahajdharis.

“Guru Gobind Singh, King of Kings Signed and Authenticated the Document. This is a Copy of the Original Document.”

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11 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

I think the first bit was about Sikhs working in the Mughal courts, who had to trim their moustaches and beards to work in the courts.

 Look again at kacheriya, so it's especially talking about working in courts.

 

 

Rehitnama for Sahajdhari Sikhs | Gurbani Vichar

 

 

Translation of Sahajdhari Rehitnama (Wajabu‘l-Arz)

 

Once the Sahajdhari Sikhs presented ten questions to Guru Gobind Singh. The Guru answered all the questions, and had them authentically recorded. This document came to be known as Wajabu'l-Arz: Proper and Authentic Answers to Questions of Sahajdharis. This document was signed by Guru Gobind Singh, and this is a correct copy of the same document. These Commandments should be considered Rehit-Vivek (Moral Code) essential for Sahajdhari Sikhs. These Ten Commandments were enunciated by the tenth Guru (Mahalla Das), each Rule was recorded and then signed by the Master. These Ten Commandments removed the prevailing confusion about the Sahajdhari Rehit.

 

(1) First Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Master, we Sahajdharis arrange marriages by inviting the Brahmins to perform Vedic rites. Now the Sikhs say that we should perform the marriage by Anand marriage rites, enunciated by the Sikh Gurus and we should not invite the Brahmins. What is your command, Master?

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered and Signed the Statement: First, perform the marriage according to Anand marriage rites, and then you can perform your traditional Vedic rites, if you wish.

 

(2) Second Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: What are to be our relations with five repudiated religious groups: (i) Minas: Followers of Prithi Mal, (ii) Dhirmalias: Followers of Dhirmal, Elder brother of Guru Hari Rai, (iii) Ram Raiyas: Followers of Ram Rai, elder brother of Guru Hari Krishan, (iv) Followers of Masands, corrupt and rejected priests of the Old Order, (v) Sirgum: (wrongly translated clean-shaven). It means Jains who are mostly atheists and pull their hair one by one, till they become bald.

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Do not have any inter-marriage or socio-cultural relations with the followers of these five religious groups.

 

Further Supplementary Question: Master who are the sirgum?

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: The Sarevare Jains, who are atheists: Anisarvadi.

 

Further Supplementary Question: Master some of us are traders and businessmen. Some of us are government servants. Our professional duties bring us into contact with everyone. Sometimes we cannot avoid them because we cannot know a person’s belief from a person’s face or dress.

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: You can always question a person about his cult and creed. Formal trade relations or market place encounters apart, you should avoid inter-cultural mixture with these people. If professional duties compel you to have any such relations with them, make amends for transgression of this rule by offering Prayer (Ardasa) seeking forgiveness.

 

(3) Third Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Then the Sahajdhari Sikhs asked the third question. O True King, we Sahajdharis are your Sikhs. When our father or mother dies, we perform the mourning ceremony of shaving our heads Bhadra-karan. Now the Khalsa Sikhs say the Khalsa has been created according to the Command and Will of God. We should not perform the Hindu mourning ceremony of Bhadra-karan (shaving the head). O True King, we shall do what you command us to do.

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Sahajdhari Sikhs should not perform the Hindu mourning ceremony of shaving their heads. They should perform the Sikh rites of reading the Holy Book, offering prayers for the departed soul and food in the community kitchen, but if the custom of the land in which you live compel you to perform other rites, you can do so after the Sikh rites have been performed.

 

(4) Fourth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: True Lord, on the occasion of marriages in the family we generally invited the Brahmins and offered them food. Now the Khalsa Sikhs say food should not be offered to the Brahmins but to the Sikhs. True King, we shall accept your command.

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered and Signed the Statement: The Guru’s Community Kitchen (langar) is open to all. You should offer food to Sikhs and also to non-Sikhs, such as Brahmins, other castes and creed people, way-farers and pilgrims coming to holy places. To everyone offer food with respect and devotion.

 

(5) Fifth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Master, when a bridegroom leaves with a marriage party for the marriage ceremony, we shave him with razor to perform the ceremony. What should we do now?

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: The clean-shaven Sahajdharis may use scissors for any such traditional ceremony, they wish to perform, but they should not use a razor. But the Kesadhari Sahajdharis should give Amrit Pahul (Khalsa baptism) to their sons before their marriage ceremony is performed.

 

(6) Sixth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: True King! We Sahajdhari Sikhs generally take the bones and ashes of our dead to the Ganges. Now some Khalsa Sikhs say that we should not do so. What is your command on this issue Lord?

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: If you can afford to reach the Ganges you can do so. We are not particular about it. Many of my brave and saintly Sikhs die in the battlefield. They are generally cremated there. For them the battlefield is as holy as the Kurukshetra. The suburb of a holy place like Amritsar, which is visited by saintly pilgrims, is equally good, where the remains of the dead are sanctified by the dust of holy men. The prayers of the pilgrims will bless the dead. The remains of the dead are placed at the feet of the Sadh Sangat: congregation of saintly persons.

 

(7) Seventh Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: We Sahajdhari Sikhs, True Lord, trim our beards according to Mughal style when some of us have to attend Mughal courts, or attend to clerical duties in Mughal service. What shall we do now?

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: You, who are Sahajdhari Sikhs should now keep a full beard, just as the Khalsa Sikhs keep, but if there is official compulsion, you may comply with the orders of your rulers. But when you go to the Sadh Sangat (Congregation of the Sikh Temple) and wish to participate in their activities, offer Ardasa (Invocational Prayer) seeking forgiveness for this transgression.

 

(8) Eighth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: True Lord, there are some Sahajdhari Sikhs who go on pilgrimage to Ganges, how should we deal with them when they come back?

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Deal with them with compassion, understanding and love. Do not cause any embarrassment to them.

 

(9) Ninth Question of Sahajdhari Sikhs: Master, you have commanded us not to have any social and cultural relations with five disowned and rejected religious groups viz: followers of Prithi Mal (Minas), Dhirmal, Ram Rai, Masands and Atheists (Jains who do not believe in God). Are we to avoid even casual meetings with them?

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: My blessed Sikhs, my command on this issue is that you should completely avoid the followers of these groups. If there is any disturbing supporter of these groups in your assembly, remove him from the assembly. The reason is that instead of joining the assembly in prayer and meditation they would talk and argue in such a way that they would destroy the faith and convictions of innocent people. They cause doubt, confusion and mischievously disturb the faith of innocent people. They talk and debate in such way, on the basis of false doctrines, false history in support of impostor gurus and saints, that many innocent people and sincere devotees are misled and hurt. The more they spread their false teachings, the more harm they do to those who happen to take them seriously. But if out of these followers of impostor Gurus and atheistic cults anyone repents and turns towards truth and the right path and expresses his willingness to follow Sikh ideals sincerely, he should be forgiven and accepted in the Brotherhood of Sikhs. The door should be kept open for the truly repentant. Enlighten such a one with the true doctrines of the Gurus. He must earn his own living by his own labours and never beg like mendicants, and lead a life of devotion. Your own heart should be pure and your faith should be strong. Casual meetings with them will not matter much.

 

(10) Tenth Question of the Sahajdhari Sikhs: When any member of our family died, we invited the Brahmin priests to read Garar Purana and the Gayatri mantra and perform other Hindu rites. Now the Brahmin priests refuse to come to our funeral services and perform these ceremonies. They insist that we should live like orthodox Hindus, wear sacred thread and observe all rites, which the Hindu Scriptures demand from their devotees. What is your command on this issue O King of kings? We shall obey it and in future carry out your instructions.

 

Guru Gobind Singh Answered: Be strong in your faith and conviction of Sikhs ideals. Give up all Brahmanical rites and perform the Sikh rites of reading the whole of Granth Sahib. After the reading ceremony is over, listen to the Interpretation (Katha) of Guru Arjan Dev’s Sahaskriti Slokas (67 verses in Prakritized Sanskrit) by a learned Sikh, who understands and can explain them.

 

Read also the first Soloka of Maru Raga. Prepare Karah Prasad and distribute it in the name of the dead after Invocational Prayer. The departed soul will be born as a Khalsa Sikh in his next birth and lead a saintly life for his ultimate redemption. You, the kith and kin, will also be blessed with peace, knowledge and enlightenment. There is nothing more precious in life than the Name of God, and sincere Faith and devotion of God. Contemplate the Name of God and share your surplus food and earnings with the needy. These are the Ten Commandments for the Sahajdharis.

 

“Guru Gobind Singh, King of Kings Signed and Authenticated the Document. This is a Copy of the Original Document.”

There's a great indication of the difference between Sehajdhari, Mona and Khalsa.  Ties into another thread. 

Also. If we can't associate this the above five hohoho is off the list too it seems to me.  

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