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Great post Javanmard! So you're telling me that islam isn't part of the natural order of god.... If you take the NI- out of SUN-NI....You can say that they discovered the sun. If you take the A out of SHI-A....Then you have a water based substance If you take the IS out of IS-MAILI....and drop the LI as well, you have may..... So you can see that the SUN which is supposed to be true...is going against Nature because SHI comes down like RAIN...and its rainy in MAI...as Ismaili's came out of SHIA's........SO it Shi's in MAY...and the sun Is always around.....so it is natural, and as you can see...The sun although it has some parts which are right...and those parts don't change...it doesn't seem to understand that it doesn't have a place because april showers bring may flowers

Canada sangat still has the benefit of coming to the deray wallay babbay here, sri vishnu ji, and sri brahma ji...have such tej pratap...they can make your coffee 'garam' just by looking at it....stay away from shivji though, he'll probably drink your coffee....and then give you back the cup

vah ji vah! hum kookar, terai darbar!

u guyz dun kno nuffin'! singhz run tingz... thro ya kfc's in da binz.... get a mai tu rinz..... D.C.S. iz all 'bout shinz... cuz u geezaas kno nuffinz..

ps. excuse the mistakes, I wrote this last one from my heart and some of the words registered in my mind but didn't transfer onto this blackboard...I will not edit my post, but I will, at any given time, try my best to clarify...enjoy

Gurfateh to all, I am writing this post to address a question that haunts me ever so often. I have been keeping things light with my hip-hopreet singh "gangsta" posts for a while, but I really sat down and asked myself....what am I doing on this site, and what type of posts am I looking for? This came across my mind as I was searching and I thought to myself, do people (including myself) really care about getting close to god? do people really want to love god or are they in it for the tail end spiritual bliss we can get....and those who want to love god, would they really care about higher spiritual tastes?......doesn't the idea of seeing a light or hearing a hum etc etc...just act as another spiritual nothch on the bedpost of our bhagti? Do I (I am refraining from using people, to avoid the backlash...but for anyone who feels that they need to blow some steam after reading this post; I bow my head and say "yes"....call me a manmukh) actually care about my bhagtee; or am I just another person who has failed (judging by my own yardstick) in every other aspect of life and now trying to over-compensate by diving into something that'll make my ego feel unique and worthwhile? To be very honest, I tie a very messy looking pagh, I have let weight pile on like a stack of pancakes, I am generally going through a rough period in my life, apathy is biggest virtue at the moment, I live my days aimlessly. Now, when I used to read gurbani, I had a polar view of the world. I would think.....yes A,B,C are doing bad things...I am not....they are manmukhs, and I am a gurmukh for not doing worldly things (mind you I was probably around 16 when I thought this way), and I evolved as I did each of the actions I once abhorred to only realise that there were some I wanted to do repeatedly and others that just didn't sit with me. The purpose of my opening sentence in this paragraph is one to make me really self reflect, because I am not taking sanyaas...nor am I really an anarchist who is rebelling from the establishment; I am simply a person who has fallen into complacency....and I can rest assure you that my life is not running on any schedule or with any real priority....this could be considered mastana...if I had the bal and uddham of a mastana fakir...but I don't. My current state of life is just an attestation to the modern punjabai adage "time-paass"..... Let me steer this now in a more positive light, I am going to pose some questions and I'd like the sangat to reflect. Memorized, Textbook, and Repeated answers are fine.....but I do warn those of you who are younger than me (age wise, experience wise, spirituality wise <assuming>) that this may be that one oppurtunity to actually realise an inner gem....and by resorting to the status quo; you may find yourselves caught in the same rut and writing or thinking like I am sometime in the near future.....I will get off the podium and just ask the following questions 1) Will God/Guru really care which khand you got to? (simply put, when god is realising god through this creation....what is our real spiritual contribution)? 2) Is it all about how we are on the inside?.....in reality no matter what we put into our body...it comes out as feces, and when you open up a body...it all looks the same......and further....WHAT IS INSIDE OF US THAT IS REALLY OURS or simply put...what is the origin of our virtues that we can call them ours? 3) Why do we complain and fail to accept the presence of god?...and in doing so how is it is that we only take ownership of that which we feel directly affects us....and even that is based on our own self constructed paradigm.....let me give an example, we live off of the sustenance of the sun (please don't let this venture into surya namaskar), but does it ask anything of us....does it ever fail us???.... 4) How is it that the mind that can't even do the same thing repetitiously judge that which has a precedent dating to beyond the birth of anything we know? How is it that a mind that is fickle and can not do the same thing repititiously without question and equipose feel that it can devalue that which rarely changes 5) If volition is a gift, how do we polish it so that we can be there at every moment in the right mode and state? Thanks so much for those of you who have chosen to at least skim over this...It'd be enlightening for me to see what others have to say ps. please do not say this is a good post unless you are sharing your own thoughts...because if it hasn't made you think and question and go within your current set of habits, virtues, vices, ideologies, thoughts, etc.... the comment is as powerful as "that was a good cup of coffee"..... tata 3) What was a good action before culture and society

I wuz finking yestaday, dat bhai ghanaiya....like krishna...like bhai mati das......like a hindu name bhai gopala.....anotha name fo' krishna I fink da RSS is making history so it seem mo' hindu..so da khalsa raj ain't strong inni'..... so we shud change all dem names to eitha' bhai gunee instead of ghanaiya..like or like, bhai ghanaiya singh...so he 'khalsa' or mati das shud b like mati singh or like manjit singh so he seem propa' and he shud have a patiala shahi pagh wid dem nice glasses...like dat geeza' "sirdar kapur singh".... den we shud change bhai gopala to like bhai domala...and den add singh, becuz in da end...dey all came back and became like khalsa.... RSS EXPOSESD!!!! SCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

I'd brag.

u dun even no, he wuz called budhu...becuz b4 meeting guru he wuz budhu...like da rest of da wurld...inni'...den he became a pir afta meeting guru...and called king of budhu's....so den he no longa stupid...ini'...

pir "Budhu" shah' jvan u joka! LOL...GANGSTA

u gonna get batter'd...I'm SP

yo, Jowan......git yo spellin' right....its push-ad...you dun kno nuffin'

I think the whole process is a sham to be very honest. If they want to educate people, they should try to be as historically accurate as possible and have them dress like the times, and create that atmosphere. Otherwise, we'll get another deal where people will give actors sant like status as they did after the ramayan series. I may sound harsh, but I can't help it, I'm not all sweet

In my humble attempt to add to brahmaji, try this approach.....think of EVERY thing you do as a means to creating a relationship with god, and let EACH thing you do become a receptacle for that love....otherwise you have created an 'idol' of what god is supposed to be and you'll be looking for that your whole life....remaining blind to other possible blessings

that sounds like the radhasoami formula, here is my only contention to it... would we move beyond forms...to see a form??? my point being, do you think the pathway is really that singular??? just like there are a myriad number of paths to god, so are there an even greater myriad ways that god reaches us...that might be person X's experience, it maynot be yours

love for the lord, I would suggest that you do simran, with love....and whatever it is that keeps you on this path...stick to it, you'll find that guru starts revealing himself to you and all your answers will come to you (in due time)....the key is to stick to it... That is where I failed, and I am in shambles now; I am trying to get back to that sat sri akaal (with simran, make sure you do some seva as well....even if it is langar seva, the beauty of gurdwara is that you don't know who is walking around and where you can get help/assistance)

a pure heart, (which the guru purifies); your uddham (effort); its like most things that have to be fashioned....perseverance, commitment, time, patience, effort, focus is what is required.... I think in life the following comment remains true for most things..... "you can always gauge your effort, but never fully predict the outcome".. let your love be your guiding force....but remember, in the early stages its like vapour, which then solidifies to water, and then to ice....the catalyst is the blessings and love of god..... keep it at with all resolution

He's given an opinion, here is my opinion "bhog mein bhogi"; is it fair to conclude that guru sahib is saying we should shag? further, I can argue that anyone who doesn't shag isn't allowing god to experience bliss in creation.

Actually, although bhai avtar singh ji's name hasn't been tarred, let me share a story (and I have audio evidence of it) that he shared. He was at the scarborough gurdwara when he came at the turn of this century. He said he was downstairs and heard the kirtanee singing the shabad to a famous hindi tune. As he was walking up the stairs, he saw a young lad in his 20's come down and he was singing the appropriate hindi lyrics to that filmi tune. Bhai avtar singh stopped him and said " betay you're truthful and sacha"...the young guy was stunned (and didn't know how to respond because he didn't understand why he was told that). " bhai avtar singh nodded his head and smiled and said....what you are singing in your heart is coming out on your tongue"; "what the kirtanee is singing in his heart is being masked by gurbani"........... I also have a recording of bhai gurcharan singh (elder brother of bhai avtar singh ji) mentioning how people don't do mehnat *the work* required to singh dhrupadh or other old bandishes and that it is with great admiration that he was commending the kirtanee's (ajit singh matlaashi, and darshan singh bijli) for their effort....mind you this recording is at least 30 years old! He touched on how the old vidvhaans would meet each other and get laha from each other's kirtan When the state of what maharaaj has proscribed has deteriorated so much that it no longer has that same eminence it once had, then people will try to make sure the seeds aren't spoiled. Hence, I understand why in appropriate circumstances, certain mahapurakhs suggested people sing according to dharanas etc. The musical grandeur of older times was lost, ie. the reet that bhai avtar singh ji sings "ek ratee bin ek ratee ke" is a creation of darbar sahib....imagine that! an institution where people enjoin on single minded focus on god, where their souls are spiritually lifted, where one can sit where they want, how they want, and not be questioned as to who they are....and it being the pinnacle of musical tradition; it being a benchmark of success...it being the area of ultimate expression! I do not doubt the bhagtee and contribution of sant attar singh mastuana wallay or baba ishar singh ji rarray sahib wallay or any other mahapurakh for that matter; nor do I condemn them in any way! I believe the khalsa, the sadh sangat is a manifestation and expression of waheguru's saguna saroop. That being the case, individually we are all given capacities to express our gifted divine qualities (take a flower garden for example, no 2 flowers are the same, but there is something unique about each which makes it special...put those all together and you have a synergetic effect that makes everyone go 'wow'...similarly, mahapurakhs play their roles and have their own contributions and show us how we can reach our capacities as well....only guru nanak's jyot is the pure nirankar saroop; and the expression of nirankar in its complex matrix of nature would be best expressed by music, mehnat, pyaar, instruments of the highest calibre...)...my 2 cents

guys, raag is a musical measure, I am not alluding to a style of singing such dhrupadh, badda khayal, shota khayal, ghazal, etc.... The point here is that even simple tunes can be sung in raag...the correct one at that....satnaam, satnaam, satnaam ji....vaheguru, vaheguru, vaheguru ji is sung in raag maajh....why can't we learn the right sequence of notes and try to sing it in that...thats all I am saying (at a very rudimentary level)

I believe in da panth, and I give bigups to all, dat don't look at da jaat, insted, look at da jatha you part of....becuz cultre dont mean ish, but da amrit you get is wat iz all about, no' wut I mean?...like guru cares 'bout rehit...nun of dis caste ish'

gurpreet_singh, I know this was addressed as a question to Niranjana, but I wanted to share my own perspective on this, I hope I don't seem too intrusive. There is a theory amongst some sufi's of god's qualities, which are deemed as jalaal-majestic and jamaal-beauty...It can be seen as yin/yang, shaktee/shaktaa....the whole point is that there are qualities which are manifest in creation which are attributed to waheguru. The issue here becomes complex, because the importance of raag is what is at question. Some believe raag is just music or tunes and gurbani is the 'tat' or nirankar 'jot'...my question to that is when gurbani mentions that bilawal is great, or sri raag is great etc...is the raag then not part of gurbani?.....or is it merely a metaphor...and when gurbani is a metaphor is it simple poetry telling us to meditate, or is it a divine incantation? from what I have gathered from listening to katha by bhai avtar singh about some old mahapurakhs (ie. baba bir singh naurangabad) used to do 51 japji sahibs a day (which makes sense as japji sahib has been considered to be a malamantar-something to recite all the time). I completely, no doubt, agree that bani can be read without raag to have its affect as we are being touched by god and it isn't like there has to be a certain context, but as a holistic process I can't see raag not being important.....now I honestly don't have it in me to justify how...but this is one of my long term goals

There was a tradition up until 100 years ago, where the hukamnama/vaak was taken in the appropriate raag, as the santhya incorporated that.... something simple which we are not even aware of is the basic tune for "satnaaam, satnaam, satnaam ji, vaaheguru, vaaheguru, vaaheguru ji"...it is in raag maajh. Further, when people think of raag they may think of theatrics, that is not what constitutes raag or brings essence to it in gurmat. From my understanding the process of naad to anahad is what brings about the spiritual transformation where bani goes from nirgun to sargun. Everything starts from the dhuni of oangkar...I believe guru sahib has just allowed us to be expressive of it by choosing 60 raags (these include all variations of gauree) and allowing us to experience akaal/nirankar in those modes.

lets ban n30 from the panth

I have to make this quick as I am at work, santokh das's akhara beside darbar sahib ( I believe it is the brahmboota akhara) claim that they took care of langar. As for the references for charan pahul amrit, if we agree that sau sakhi is the writing of guru gobind singh ji, then the 3 sikhs include 1) sahejdhari 2) charanpahulay 3) khalsa I will come back with references in my next post