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this should be good... thanks for the link as always...

God is beyond the Mind's 3 layers and its 4 Antish karans as mentioned by Neo. Bane is right on with the Subconsciousness being the base of our desires.

so then what does it mean to take refuge in Buddha, Dharma and Sangha?? Please do share more..

Let us be realistic now and obviously india will not just hand that over when asked to. I'm sure we'll fight india for it. Seriusly though I think we have a better chance winning it in a good kabaddi match then in actual arsenal confrontation. Not due to the lack of heart, but lack of man power and more so lack of Unity. Also with the lack of support from other world nations who do recoganize this struggle as just.

nice!! thanks for expanding on that...translation??

You cannot change the name and expect the core of the state to change. The corruption will not leave because of a name change. Sure you can change the name of the State, what then?? Change must occur from within starting from the people who live there and govern the state, not A. Soni living in London, UK.

solid advice. Society expects you to conform to its standards. The mind is very influential especially from our peers. Those that fall into the trap often get lost and become just another face like the veer above said. Either you conform to its standards or you stand within society and create your own standards. It is YOUR life, not theirs. Live your life according to how you wish to live it, not by how Society wants you to become. People will judge you, they will speak ill of you, they will make fun of you. God too has given then a tounge and a mind so they are free to speak, think what they wish. It is how you react to their speech that matter. The only control you have is of your actions, take them with awareness and everything else will fall into place.

Neo was it, "Budham Sharnma Gatshaamee"

What is the state of Nirvana implying? If one does not speak of God, does that mean they lack the realization of God? If one does not point a finger and say here is your God? Does that mean they don't know where God is? Does Silence equate to not knowing?

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/feb99...16109.Ns.r.html Thanks for your intriguing question. Unfortunately, there has not been a lot of research in this area, but I have summarized what I have been able to find for you. The following quote is from Cecil Adams, "The dreams of the congenitally blind contain no visual elements and consist predominantly of sound plus smell, touch, and the sense of movement. Plotwise they tend to be reality- based-e.g., a reprise of the events of the day--with less of the fantasy you find in the dreams of sighted people. There's also more conversation...Helen Keller, who became blind at the age of 19 months, claimed to have "visions of ineffable beauty," which mostly involved things like pearls and whatnot". From More of the Straight Dope, Cecil Adams, Ballantine Books, 1988. One of my colleagues sent me the following response which is consistent with what Cecil Adams reports: I have a friend who's blind from birth. She said her dreams encompass the same sensory sensations she experiences when awake - sound, a sensation of touch and sometimes taste. She has no experience of anything we'd consider "sight" or color -in her dream or awake state. I also asked one of my blind students about your question. Although she lost her sight as a young child, she also reports that her dreams involve the sense organs such as sounds, smell, touch and taste, but not vision. Although his research is somewhat dated, the person who has published the most information in this area is Robert H. Blank. I have listed some of this publications below and I would suggest that you read these. A more recent source of information on this topic is found here: Qualitative aspects of sleep mentation. By Weinstein, Lissa N.; Schwartz, David G.; Arkin, Arthur M. Ellman, Steven James(Ed); Antrobus, John S.(Ed); et al. The mind in sleep: Psychology and psychophysiology (2nd ed.). (pp. 172- 213).New York, NY, USA: John Wiley & Sons (1991) xv, 588 pp. I hope this information helps you. Thanks again for this fascinating question. References: Reflections on the special senses in relation to the development of affect with special emphasis on blindness. By Robert H. Blank. Journal of the American Psychoanalytic Association, 1975, Vol 23(1), 32-50. McCartney's thesis on dreams. Robert H. Blank. New Outlook for the Blind, 1958, 52, 175-176. Dreams of the blind. Robert H. Blank. Psychoanalytic Quarterly, 1958, 27, 158-174

Answer from somebody who has been blind since she was fairly young: " Yes, blind people do dream. What they see in their dreams depends on how much they could ever see. If someone has been totally blind since birth, they only have auditory dreams. If someone such as I, has had a measure of sight, then that person dreams with that measure of sight. I still dream as though I can see, colors included. For people I've met since, their faces are just blurs or how I imagine they look. To me, someone like my mother looks forever 30. "

I suppose you want to know how the dreams are of someone who has been blind for life, not who became blind later in life. that is a good question...i don't have a clue.

there is someone who posts on these forums that can do this at will. But he shall remain gupt as it is not my place to share it. its just good to know that there exist such seeker who have experienced this state of being.

"What I say is not very meaningfull, what I say is not significant: what I am not saying, what I cannot say -- nobody can say -- only that is significant. Listen to that which is not said. Listen to the gaps in the intervals. Read between the words and between the lines. If you forget the words, nothing is lost; but if you forget that which is between the words, much is lost." OSHO

My definition of a Katha Vachik is take from a Jain Mantra which i'll post below. There is a difference between a Teacher(Katha Vachik) and Master (True Saint). A Teacher simply conveys the message that he has heard, it is not yet his experience. He/she may convey this message with such fluency that it directly mimics the state of Anubhav. Such is a Katha Vachik, who convey the wisdom or experience, but yet still hasn't fully experienced what he is conveying. A Master is who Conveys what he is Living, What he has directly experienced. This difference is very difficult to differentiate, hence we see listeners of the Katha Vachicks labeling them as Saints, because they convey such the message with such fluency that it hypnotises the listner. Now before one starts to assume that I am belitteling Katha Vachiks, that is certainly not the case as the interpetation of the mantra will express my feelings. But a difference exists. I have heard people say that Sant Singh ji Maskeen was a Katha Vachik, but I don't consider him a Katha Vachik, to me he was a Anubhav Vachik. It is very easy to be a Katha Vachik...all you need is the ability to speak with passion and charismatic as you have stated above as a quality of a Katha Vachik. But When a True Master, or a True Saint speaks the atmosphere shifts like no other. Master Does not speak from the example of other, his/her words are enriched with his Anubhav and only those who are sensitive enough can pick up on it. The Mantra is here: http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...;highlight=jain here is a cut of what i was speaking about:

Excellent to hear, that someoen with such a powerful voice is aligning herself with a spiritual context.

I sent an email to United Sikhs in hopes that they can provide a greater support for these Kaurs who have been victimized by these so called Gianees. But I need their help answering few questions that they asked. I have modified their questions so they are more direct to those specific individual. _-- ---------------------------------------------------------_ If I may request some information from you, as this information is not generally displayed in the posts: 1) Where are these specific Gurudwaras that these incidents are occuring. If not, would you be able to provide the provinces/states and countries that this is occuring in? 2) Do you know of someone else who has been a victimized by the same Gianee at the same Gurudwara? 3) What have you done in response to this problem aka. reporting to the police, telling parents, etc. 4) Have you ever met success with approaching any people/organizations/committees which have assisted in the situation? Please Please it is now that you must step forward and Help make some change. We need your Help to stop this from happening again and again to our fellow sisters. If you do not wish give the info here for everyone to see, then Please email me at Gurinderjit82@hotmail.com ( which I suggest you do ) If you know someone who has been victimized then please respond and email me the Answers above to the questions they have asked, so i can provide a more thorough response and they can have a better idea of what they must do from there. Here are the emails in their entirety:

that answer is more truthful then anything anyone can say here, you put a smile on my face when i read that.......just beautiful... 8)

http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...ighlight=nirgun

living in Bhoras? Certainly not all, Guru Nanak dev ji never lived in a Bhora, nor did any of the Gurus. To confine a Fakeer to a Bhora seems unjust as the Fakeerness of a Fakeer is there regardless if he/she is an Bhora or not. Im not saying this True fakir who you met is wrong, i just felt the need to point out that from that statement do not start seeking Bhoras or making Bhoars a criteria for determining if one is a true saint or not.

According the Fridakot Teeka, Baba Adaam is refered to as Shiv ji

I doubt that you are going to be able to accept this interpetation of Adam and Eve, but I am hopeful that you are able to grasp it.

First of all every question is valuable. Everyone has to begin somewhere and such question no matter how childish they may seem should be asked. So ask away. To be someone who can provide a financial stability to his/her family, parents should be a goal worth working for. If you have a desire to study hard, then do so with confidence. But now you had said that you wanted to be acknowlegd (by others) as an educated person? Is this the sole reason for you wanting to study hard? Why do you want this acknowledged from others in this world? I would like an answer to these questions from you. Study hard, Work Hard for yourself, not so that other may praise you. Be stable financially so you may provide financial comfort for your family and so that you can also be in a position to help others in this world with your financial freedom. Do not seek praise from the world which will do nothing but bloat your ego. Be watchful of the true intention behind our desires. It is great that you want to study hard actually become someone in this world, but then this desire takes a twist and it becomes egoist as you do this not for yourself, but for others to praise you. Our mind is one sneaky mastermind, keep a watchful eye on it its intentions. This is a journey that Sikhs (Seekers/Learners ) walk upon. Follow the Path with Honest and Sincerity, with Shardha, Bhaavna and Love everthing else will follow on its own. Do Simran, Meditate, do Japa you will find your answers within you.

Have you tried the methods that have been posted in this thread? The yoga, the observing the mind, the Sincere Prayers and others that have been posted or were they just nice to read?

When the desire arises, you have then a choice...you always have a choice, it is then that you are on the crossroads. Make the choice that will benefit you in the long run, not the short term. Understand and look ahead on the state of mind that you will be in, the same mind that pull you toward it, is going to be in the state of regret/guilt for doing something it knows it shouldn't have done. What then is the purpose of doing the act in the first place? If you are goign to do it, then do it without Guilt, why feel guilty about something you want to do? The fact that there is Guilt is a sign that there is inner conflict. Pick the right side of the conflict. If you honestly want to control this state without surpression, then i suggest you pray with a honest mind and ask to be protected when you face that state of desire. Prayer is your Guiding light, the 911, use it. Ask first to be guided, to become aware of what you are about to do, then ask that you may recoganize the Hand, the Guiding thought that is going to guide you to the right path out of the desire.