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Shudh Uchaaran Importance (ਸ਼ੁੱਧ ਉਚਾਰਨ ਮਹਾਨਤਾ) Sakhi Bhai Gopala Jee (ਭਾਈ ਗੋਪਾਲਾ ਜੀ): Upon the victory of the Second Hargobindpur(ਹਰਿਗੋਬਿੰਦਪੁਰ) battle, Guru Hargobind Sahib Jee had set up a congregation for the sangat(ਸੰਗਤ ) and the fallen Shaeeds(ਸ਼ਹੀਦਾਂ). After the war Gurusahib’s state of mind was one of gratitude and calmness. GuruSahib looked to the sangat and did Benti to all his sikhs. He asked if there is any sikh who can recite Sri JapJi Sahib Jee correctly(ਸ਼ੁੱਧ) with all the characters(ਲਗਾਂ) and full focus(ਇਕਾਗ੍ਰਤਾ). One of GuruSahib Jee’s sikhs, Bhai Gopala Jee obtained shudh santhya (ਸ਼ੁੱਧ ਸੰਥਾ) from Guru Arjun Dev Sahib Jee himself. Bhai Sahib gets up and does Benti(ਬੇਨਤੀ) to Guru Hargobind Sahib Maharaj to give him the strength and blessing to recite Sri Jap Ji Sahib. Pleased, GuruSahib gave Bhai Gopala Jee a seat(ਆਸਨ) at the highest point of the congregation. Bhai Santokh Singh Jee in Sooraj Parkash (ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਤਾਪ ਸੂਰਜ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ) writes: ਬੈਠਯੋ ਸਨਮੁਖ; ਲੱਗਯੋ ਉਚਾਰਨ॥ ਸਿਮਰਯੋ, ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਸੁਖ ਕਾਰਨ॥ Sitting infront of GuruSahib, Bhai Gopala Jee first contemplated on Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Sahib Jee’s name and then began to recite Sri JapJi Sahib Jee. ਪੂਰਬ ਕਹਿ, ਇੱਕਓਅੰਕਾਰ॥ ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ ਕੋ, ਬਹੁਰ ਉਚਾਰ॥ With full focus and concentration he recited Ik Oankar (ਇੱਕਓਅੰਕਾਰ) with correct pronounciation and characters(ਲਗਾਂ). Then he continued in the same manner with Satnam(ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ). ਇੱਕਓਅੰਕਾਰ, ਜਬ ਮੁਖੋਂ ਉਚਾਰਾ॥ ਨਮਸਕਾਰ ਕਰ, ਗੁਰ ਕਰਤਾਰਾ॥ Upon hearing the beautiful Banee, Guru Hargobind Sahib Jee bowed down to the Gurshabad Banee. ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸੁਨਿ ਕਰ ਜੋਰਿ॥ ਨਮਸਕਾਰ ਕੀਨੀ, ਸਿਖ ਓਰਿ॥ Then Gurusahb proceeds to clasp his hands and pay reverence to Bhai Gopala Jee. ਦੋਹਰਾ॥ ਅਤਿ ਪ੍ਰਸੰਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਭਏ; ਸੁਨਤ ਪਾਠ ਨਿਰਧਾਰ॥ ਨਿੱਜ ਮਨ ਮੈਂ ਐਸੇ ਕਹਾ; ਕਿਆ ਦੇਵੋਂ ਇਹ ਵਾਰ॥ Upon hearing the Banee, GuruSahib was overcome with euphoria(ਵਿਸਮਾਦ). He was so pleased with the way Bhai Gopala Jee was doing Banee that he thought to himself, what could I possibly give in return for hearing Banee so beautifully? If I make him emperor of the world, thats temporal. What should be given to award such beautiful recitation of Banee? ਦੋਹਰਾ॥ ਦਿਲੀ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਸਮਝ ਕੈ; ਬੋਲੇ ਗੁਰ ਕਰਤਾਰ॥ ਅਚੱਲ ਰਾਜ ਦੇਵਨ ਲੱਗੇ; ਕਿਆ ਕੀਨੀ ਇਹ ਕਾਰ॥ With their heart full of love, Guru Hargobind Sahib Jee decided to give him the one kingdom that was eternal: Guru Nanak Dev Sahib Jee’s Throne (ਗੁਰਗੱਦੀ). Guru Sahib moved one of his knees to get up from their throne and give the Gursikh their seat(ਸਿੰਘਾਸਨ). At that point, JapJi Sahib had reached the final stanza (ਸਲੋਕ). After seeing GuruSahib get up, Bhai Gopala jee’s concentration was dissrupted, a thought(ਫ਼ੁਰਨਾ) crossed his mind that Guru Sahib was leaving. Bhai Gopala Jee thought if Guru Sahib did not leave, Guruji would gift him a royal horse from GuruSahib’s stable. Understanding BhaiSahib’s sudden thought, GuruSahib gets up at the completion of JapJi Sahib and hugs Bhai Gopala Jee. Guru Sahib tells him that ‘I was about to give you Guru Nanak Dev Jee’s crown had you not asked for a horse.’ ਧੰਨ ਜਨਮ ਅਬ, ਤੁਮਰਾ ਭਯੋ॥ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ, ਸਗਲਾ ਦੁਖ ਗਯੋ॥ GuruSahib was so pleased that he gave Bhai Sahib blessings (ਵਰ )after granting him the royal horse. Bhai Sahib’s life was blessed and he was free from the birth and death cycle. He was liberated from all his sorrow and pains in the physical and afterlife. ਜੋ ਤੁਮ ਮਨ ਮੈ, ਇਛਾ ਧਾਰੋ॥ ਸੋ ਲੇਵੋ; ਨਹਿੰ ਦੇਰ ਬਿਚਾਰੋ॥ Guru Sahib goes on further to say that any wishes that you may ever have will come to fruitation instantly. The importance of doing Shudh Banee cannot be understated. If GuruSahib himself was about to give his throne(ਗੁਰਗੱਦੀ) based on the correct recitation of Bani, imagine how much significance reciting Shudh Banee holds. ਬਾਣੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਸਾਰੇ ॥ The Word, the Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within the Bani, the Ambrosial Nectar is contained. ਗੁਰੁ ਬਾਣੀ ਕਹੈ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਜਨੁ ਮਾਨੈ ਪਰਤਖਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਿਸਤਾਰੇ ॥੫॥ If His humble servant believes, and acts according to the Words of the Guru's Bani, then the Guru, in person, emancipates him. ||5|| Bhai Gurdaas Jee: Guru Arjun Dev Sahib Jee had given respect to Bhai Gurdaas Jee’s Banee calling it the key to opening the treasure of Guru Granth Sahib Jee. In Bhai Gurdaas Jee’s Kabits (poems), there is one that deals with the importance of Shudh Ucharan and each individual character. ਜੈਸੇ ਲਗ ਮਾਤ੍ਰ ਹੀਨ ਪੜਤ ਅਉਰ ਕਉ ਅਉਰ ਪਿਤਾ ਪੂਤ ਪੂਤ ਪਿਤਾ ਸਮਸਰਿ ਜਾਨੀਐ ॥ If a word is not pronounced with the proper characters(ਲਗਾ ), it loses meaning and becomes incoherent. Its like calling a father the son, or a son the father both in pronounciation(replacing the sihari(ਿ) with Dolankre(ੂ) and literal meaning. ਸੁਰਤਿ ਬਿਹੂਨ ਜੈਸੇ ਬਾਵਰੋ ਬਖਾਨੀਅਤ ਅਉਰ ਕਹੇ ਅਉਰ ਕਛੇ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਮੈ ਆਨੀਐ ॥ Just like a human without sense and intelligence is called insane, whatever they intend to say with their heart comes out as something completely different when they choose to speak. ਜੈਸੇ ਗੁੰਗ ਸਭਾ ਮਧਿ ਕਹਿ ਨ ਸਕਤ ਬਾਤ ਬੋਲਤ ਹਸਾਇ ਹੋਇਬਚਨ ਬਿਧਾਨੀਐ ॥ Just like a mute person cannot say anything infront of an educated crowd, when they try to say something, people ridicule and laugh at them ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮਾਰਗ ਮੈ ਮਨਮੁਖ ਥਕਤ ਹੁਇ ਲਗਨ ਸਗਨ ਮਾਨੇ ਕੈਸੇ ਮਾਨੀਐ ॥੨੬੪॥ On the path of a Gurmukh, there is no place for Manmukhs, they cannot keep up. Just like people who induldge in worldly pleasures cannot realise the true path. In that same manner, if these characters (ਲਗਾਂ) were not important to pronounce, why would they have been written in Banee? They all serve a purpose just like Bhai Sahib states. ਕੋਟਨਿ ਕੋਟਾਨਿ ਛਬਿ ਰੂਪ ਰੰਗ ਸੋਭਾ ਨਿਧਿ ਕੋਟਨਿ ਕੋਟਾਨਿ ਕੋਟਿ ਜਗਮਗ ਜੋਤਿ ਕੈ । Praising millions of millions of beautful, blissful and natural objects ਕੋਟਨਿ ਕੋਟਾਨਿ ਰਾਜਭਾਗ ਪ੍ਰਭਤਾ ਪ੍ਰਤਾਪੁ ਕੋਟਨਿ ਕੋਟਾਨਿ ਸੁਖ ਅਨੰਦ ਉਦੋਤ ਕੈ । Praising millions of millions of kingdoms, Honourables and various feelings of happiness ਕੋਟਨਿ ਕੋਟਾਨਿ ਰਾਗ ਨਾਦਿ ਬਾਦ ਗਿਆਨ ਗੁਨ ਕੋਟਨਿ ਕੋਟਾਨਿ ਜੋਗ ਭੋਗ ਓਤਪੋਤਿ ਕੈ । Praising millions of millions of knowledgeble musicians, vocalists, ਕੋਟਨਿ ਕੋਟਾਨਿ ਤਿਲ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਅਗਾਧਿ ਬੋਧਿ ਨਮੋ ਨਮੋ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਦਰਸ ਸਬਦ ਸ੍ਰੋਤ ਕੈ ॥੨੬੫॥ That same praise is next to nothing when it comes to Banee. The praise to see Banee with your eyes (ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਦਰਸ)and to hear Banee with your ears and see all the characters (ਸ੍ਰੋਤ ਦਰਸ) is not possible. You just have to bow down and give up all attempts to describe its praise. In that same manner, it is impossible to see Gurbani inside unless all the characters (ਲਗਾਂ) are being pronounced. The importance of articulating all the characters(ਲਗਾਂ) is more important when the Banee is being listened to. The importance of Shudh Ucharan with all the ਲਗਾ was heavily favoured by Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Jee. Mahapursh loved everyone who recited Banee with all the ਲਗਾ. One time when the Jatha was at Nabha Sahib (ਨਾਭਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ), Bhai Kapoor Singh Jee, a Singh in the jatha began to argue with Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Jee. All the Singhs that were sitting beside Mahapursh began to get angry at the tone in which Bhai Kapoor Singh Jee was speaking. As soon as Bhai Sahib leaves the room, Santji began to smile. All the Singhs were awestruck what just transpired and how Santji is reacting. Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Jee looks at all the Singhs and says ਮਸਤਾਨਾ ਉਚਾਰਨ ਬੜਾ ਲਗਾਂ ਲਾ ਕੇ ਸ਼ੁੱਧ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ (This Singh’s recitation of Banee and its characters is very accurate). When Baba Jaswant Singh Jee (BhagatJee) tells this story, he relates to the dealings that Vadde Mahapursh(ਵੱਡੇ ਮਹਾਂਪੁਰਸ਼) had with everyone. In Jatha, highest order was given to Guru Banee jee Sahib. - www.gursevak.com Sadh Sangat ji, in the past I have spent time learning santhya from a traditional santhya teacher, as well as from a mahapursh, and I have taken a university Punjabi course. Out of all these methods, das has found the method of santhya taught through Gursevak.com to be the easiest, the quickest, and the most effective in developing shudh uchaaran. Please do seva of spreading knowledge of this method to others so that they may benefit. As you can see from the above post, it is an immense seva. Gurbani is the embodiment of the Guru And the Guru is the embodiment of Gurbani In the whole of Gurbani is contained the nectar If the attendant acts upon what Gurbani enjoins The Guru in person saves him banee guroo guroo hai banee vich banee amrit saaray. gur banee kahai sayvak jan maanai partakh guroo nistaaray. (Natt 4th Guru, page 982) The Gurbani of the true Guru Is the embodiment of truth Through Gurbani, mortal becomes perfect satgur kee banee sat saroop hai gurbaanee banee-ai. (Vaar Gauri 4th Guru, ang 304) The Guru is the word And the word is the true Guru The holy word shows the way to emancipation satgur bachan bachan hai satgur paaDhar mukat janaavaigo. (Kanra 4th Guru, ang 1309) O the disciple of the Guru, Know that the Guru’s hymns are perfectly true. God the creator himself causes The Guru to utter them with his mouth satgur kee banee sat sat kar jaanhu gursikhahu har kartaa aap muhhu kadhaa-ay. (ang 308) from www.khojee.wordpress.com

look up trends research centre. Gerald Celente has a fantastic track record and predicts ww3 if iran is attacked. Already russia and china have alliances with each other. Check out sau sakhi and what it says about russia and china attackign bharat. Celente also says the economic recovery si false. b/c the countries are producing nothing, they are using debt to stimulate a false recovery, all that's doing is buying time but will make the final descent into debt much much deeper. Celente also mentions USA always goes to war as a profit making motive when it has debt issues. We're looking at the game changer here, where life as we know it will change forever in our lifetime in such a marked way that people who are alive now cannot imagine it. Gyani Thakur Singh also told me that this is how wwiii starts, that there will be a lot of smaller jungs that will build up into world war.

almost any motivation is ok, as per Gurmat. I believe it was Bhagat Kabir ji who prays for food etc. signifying asking for our needs is ok. I think it's even ok to ask for things we want but don't need. But the highest thing in Gurmat is asking for God. There's a shabad, Gauri M. 5, Thir Ghar Baisho Har Jun Pyare, Satgur Tumare Kaaj Savare - I have heard abhyaas of this shabad helps makes a person's works complete.

wjkkwjkf my advice is to take it one bani at a time. it's hard to start doing all the banis at once. just add one, then after you get used to it, add another. in this way you'll be able to handle amritdhari jeevan along with living in the duniya. when your parents see that, they'll be more likely to give permission for Amrit. but even if they don't, our spiritual parents are more important than our biological parents, and there is certainly nothing wrong with disobeying parents to take amrit. as for the glow, i've heard that life is much harder living wiht the glow on the outside. some sikhs do ardass and ask god to hide the glow from others, to put it on the inside. cleaning sangats shoes and japping naam is essential during this time. with the glow on the outside, there is a lot of vadiyee and that can be hard to handle. wjkkwjkf

are these all from ishwer amalok lal which is available on ik13.com?

thank you ji. i look forward to more atam updesh from sant ji

The Sikh rebellion could have achieved success, had not the sikhs themeselves been split up. Sikh regiments attacked the fauj under command of Mahapurkh Baba Bir Singh ji Naurangabad

if you wish to provide some concrete examples, i think it would help a lot of people. but you don't have to

Perhaps it would be best if you keep all the new books on one thread, instead of startign so many different threads

could you please set it up so that there are rss updates of new content?

Is this in addition to the blog, or is it replacing the blog?

http://scottishsikhs.org/audio/index.php?q=f&f=%2FEdinburgh%2F09-12-09+-+Giani+Thakur+Singh+Ji+Patiale+Wale talks about it way later into the katha

no point in asking for a country, nobody will give it to you. Maharaj said as much. highlihting india's kartootan to cause international pressure so that they at least offer decent compensation or jail some of those responsible may have worked... but in the present economic atmosphere with countries sucking up to india for trade deals it's unlikely. Gurbani says that the Lord's grindstone may turn slowly, but the powder that is made of the evildoers is exceedingly fine. It's just a matter of time before they get their comeuppance. Sant ji said that one day nishaan sahib will fly on lal killa, we will have our justice.

dharmic islam is different from rajneetik islam. dharmic islam, such as what some mystics have followed, involved ignoring aspects of rajneetic islam which are taught by koran, is it not? Guru's didn't support muslim emperors, simply recognised that the raj was in their karam. it was in their karma to rule. gurus made a adeal wiht them, rule fairly, you keep your raj. when they stopped ruling fairly, the guru smashed his body pot on the emperor of delhi's head (as says in Gurbani), meaning that Guru ji destroyed thier raj karams through his kurbani.

It seems balbir singh doesn't feel like telling you unless you become his chela.

nope. you can slander communities and they can't take you to court for slander. but if specific organisations or individuals are slandered, than they can be taken to court.

i've just heard this is from sau sakhi. that at some point bani will be gupt, we will only have what we memorised. Giani Thakur Singh also mentions this, along with the ceasing of all Amrit Sanchars at some point in the future.

the going gupt happens due to shaheedi fauj retreiving Gurbani. depends on if you think you can fool them. Better start working on memorising bani as a backup plan

http://gnostic-community.org/forum/index.php great spiritual forum, from a gnostic christian perspective. these guys get into the nitty gritty focusing on various spiritual issues etc. interesting how these guys have so much in common with us, unlike the fake watered down christianity we are exposed to everywhere else. http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php another great spiritual forum... mostly taoist perspective. http://www.lapislazulitexts.com/translations.html translations of buddhist sutras.

I feel that a very significant number of diaspora Hindus love it when the Sikh community suffers, when our reputation is hurt. I imagine it pains them to hear of any of our successes, doubly so when it's an orthodox Sikh's success. My god, these people are some of the most deeply entrenched enemies we have, and yet these are the same who speak sweet words of brotherhood and shared motherland when it serves their purpose.

http://www.doomguide.com/ book that attempts to include everything that you need to know to survive once civilisation ends. continually being updated. free. conveniently available in a printable bindable format.

Guru ji's kirpa is greater than little mistakes like the one described in the thread, assuming the polish does have animal ingredients in it.

no, i'm not a member of that forum. since you guys are interested in survivalism, i'll post some more interesting links i've found. http://ferfal.blogspot.com/ this is the blog of a person raising his family in argentina after the economic collapse. he describes various security and surivival strategies, what to do in tight situations, how to manage economics. basically, this is the ultimate realist survivalist blog. non of that crazy mad max fantasy stuff, just the real deal. http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/ Gerald Celente is one of the foremost trends spotters and he's worth watching to get an idea of what may come in the future. the author of the blog isn't celente himself, and seems to like all sorts of even tangentially related topics. let me know if you guys want invites to demonoid.

Demonoid.com routinely has massive packages of military manuals and related ebooks uploaded. Also, check out http://www.prophecykeepers.com/ for a massive ebook collection.

i think sharda pooran is just another name for sankat mochan.