Premi

"The extant text of Rehatnama Chaupa Singh is a conflation of at least three different sources. It cannot be the work of a single author. The manuscript evidence points to a text
comprising of four parts: the preface, a set of prescriptions of conduct, a narrative of Guru Gobind Singh's life, and a string of transgressions that need to be punished. The core of the text is constituted of the preface and the part that follows it, while the remaining two sections were appended later. The counting of the sentences in the section that follows the preface was eventually extended to the appended parts, creating the impression that they were always part of a single whole."

We need to settle the above issue first, ascertain which the real Chaupa Singh rehat is and then discuss its contents. Seems nearly impossible because we have near to no scholars left in our nation. Only people who argue on trivial matters and look down people not following the same Rehat.

Oof

Can you please elaborate on the point above?
Thanks
 
Bhul chuk maaf

There was no infiltration though. They were placed there by the you know whos. This goes for literally every position back then. For you to dumb it down to simple casteist nonsense just trivialises what happened.  For you to associate me with british racists shows how demented you are. I’ve already talked about the issue plenty over the years but just because I don’t pay lip service to the same old discussions each and everytime isn’t a sign of anything. We can’t all be mental like gurjant and constantly post inane musings and mock concern all the time. 
None of your economic points stand. As I’ve said before, India gets foodstuffs from East Punjab at a significant discount. In fact, India ends up exporting a lot of it to other countries. There are no cheap imports compared to their domestic producers. The water table is dropping because they grow water intensive crops there - those are the only ones guaranteed by the government’s minimum price scheme. If they could grow others they would but they aren’t allowed to. East Punjabis are also completely fascinated with westernisation. It’s a huge driver of various issues amongst them. I’ve already answered your other points about BRICS, I’m not going to keep repeating myself as normal sane people don’t say the same thing over and over again repetitively. 
A lot of freshies won’t even speak Punjabi once they get here. You may speak to some yokels who don’t know anything but the townies and city folk are a mixed bag in my experience. Acting as if you have a monopoly on apneh is just weird. They do all sorts of jobs and have varied education levels, though those aren’t always good indicators of the sort of person they are.  I can’t believe I have to spell this out to you but there are people who’ve read Granths and literature their whole lives….. but it hasn’t changed who they are. If you are using this as some sort of measurement for people don’t be surprised if it doesn’t turn out to be quite accurate. Just take a look at most of our committees for examples.
You just can’t stop crying that I know more about these topics than you. You try and sound knowledgeable, then you call me a know it all and finally you just resort to conjecture. Class envy is a weird thing for a Sikh to do.
When it comes to conversions the main cause is the obsession with westernisation, with casteism and poverty being secondary causes. If you actually talked to these people you would know that. People like gurjant go around on this forum spewing xtian verses and you are silent. Now you care about conversions all of a sudden? Do you think I am as dumb as you are?
I won’t call you an amateur hour Indiana Jones but you sometimes do come close to it. Most clued up Sikhs know that the colonial period wasn’t all benevolent brits giving us ‘choo-choo’ trains or letting us join in their ‘international escapades’. They effectively lobotomised and then robbed us before trying to finish us for good. Those who don’t see it this way have a vested interest in deluding themselves. Come to think of it I was the one explaining the ins and outs of what was going on to you. 
Moosewala wasn’t just popular with Sikhs. As for his songs, well he said he was a Khalistani but then tried to get elected with Congress so who knows what he really was. 
You don’t know what qualifications I have or what I am. I know a damn well more about this subject than you. It’s all well and good claiming you want to move forward, but the Badals said the same thing and look what they did - a colossal unprecedented mess. You will probably end up causing a Great Leap Forward type event with your thinking. Go look it up if you want to actually learn something rather than repeating yourself. You don’t even know about the debt levels of the government there, who their loans are owed to, the issues surrounding paying loans in foreign currencies with changing interest rates and the harm brishit management consultants have caused over the past decade to East Punjab. Have a clue about something before you start going on.
The collage was primary school level. You’re going to have to do better if you want to be taken seriously. In fact, feel free to post it on various bhangra music videos and social media pages. Don’t just save it for the lucky souls on this forum. 

If even now, you're failing to acknowledge how a certain caste has infiltrated all major Sikh institutes and have been playing havoc with the principle of egalitarianism that is central to the idea of Sikh society - it says it all.....  But then maybe I shouldn't really be surprised because you've never once addressed the issue in all these years. You are part of the problem, just like a white denying racism has any serious impact on british society. 
You've completely turned a blind eye to my comments about how an agriculture dependent economy has been, and will in all likely cases will continue to be a dead end for Panjab. If anything things will get even worse in this department if things like BRICS happen, because India will probably be able to get cheap grains and whatnot from elsewhere. On top of the matter of a falling water table and increasingly unpredictable weather. It's not complicated. Plus you fail to address the fact that very few people (including people from farming families) actually want to do farming. This is no mysterious thing, even the children of farmers in the west have this problem.  It's laughable how you've failed to comprehend my point about wider global geo-political changes having the potential to change the game in Panjab. That was the whole point of the big fish in small ponds suddenly finding themselves in an ocean with a whole bunch of new things to contend with. 
 
It's funny because I learnt that 'rectal parasite' phrase from you years ago. At that point you were making the very point that we can't continue like this. You're one to talk about having an island monkey way of thinking - you're not even capable of conversing with the people you try and champion in their own native tongue. So it's no wonder your ideas are so 'out there'. You really haven't mixed with apnay - and if you did, what did you do, speak broken english with them? I'm not saying this to have a dig, but in all sincerity, how can you be influenced by, and absorb your cultural heritage (Sikh one NOT Panjabi)  without being able to communicate with people or read/access texts which help you imbibe the culture? None of us are perfect, but that gaping vacuum puts you in danger of all manner of miscomprehensions. That's doubled because a large number of people you encounter don't know much themselves. 
 
Now we see your toffo nature coming out. I'm better than you and more intelligent.....course you are........
I've had intelligent exchanges with you in the past. But i don't think we are going to progress until we confront and defeat the current norm of disgraceful inequality amongst Sikhs. We all know who the main culprits are in terms of trying to position themselves as some high caste, superior beings in the panth. I've been warning about the consequences of this for well over a decade - and look!!! Exactly what I was trying to warn about has come to be - we have people leaving the panth because of discrimination and forming their own groups as well as conversions to other faiths because of it. Then we NOW have opportunistists jumping on the bandwagon too. People like yourself helped bring this about through underplaying the issue.  
 
If we had a better culture than the normalised cut throat one in Panjab, we might be able to circumvent some of Delhi's moves against Sikhs. It's not just one way. Plenty of our own are willing instruments in what's going on. 
What a load of gibberish. I've tried hard to uncover precolonial Sikhi over the years. Are you going to deny that? You've lost the plot. If anything I was at the forefront of trying to highlight the 'jedi mind trick' done on apnay's psyches during colonialism. To your credit, you did recognise this to some extent. But you are in a tiny minority. But things are slowly slowly (hopefully changing). It might take a few generations the way some of our lot are so slow (and frankly apathetic). 
That just reinforces what I'm saying: a man who primarily wrote caste based, 'hard man' songs turns out to be the most popular singer in modern times - it just perfectly reflects what I'm saying about where the majority of this crowd's head is at!  
 
I'm not an economist - neither are you. None of us can accurately predict the future. But it looks like big changes are coming whether we like it or not. You STILL fail to address the issue that most people in Panjab don't want to work in the agricultural industry. And on top of that, a diverse, modern economy is a smart move.
I did that collage to make a valid point about where we are and how I feel about it in a humorous way that even an unlettered imbecile could understand.  And it's not just bhangra, it's a whole pendu mindset that is also part and parcel of that, that is holding us back. I don't watch Panjabi music videos btw. I don't watch the films either. You can just do a 5 second search and be flooded with evidence of where apnay's heads are at in this respect.
 

If your understanding of the Khalistan issue comes down to a simple caste binary then you clearly don’t get any of the issues around it. 
You fail to make any clear points and then drag the debate back into the usual casteist nonsense you are used to. You say people only want Khalistan for monetary reasons yet you also moan about the british colonial period….. even though the Indians are doing the exact same thing by reducing Sikhs to nothing more than farmers and fighters. You whinge about how bhaiye are treated in East Punjab but are too thick to understand that the whole need for cheap labour was caused by the reduced prices that are paid by the government for agricultural produce in the first place. The rest of your second paragraph is just a buzzword salad, typical mud slinging without substance. You watched a few YouTube videos and read a few Wikipedia articles and then started spouting about big fishes in little ponds who are now in oceans. It’s laughable how ridiculous and whimsical your understanding of this topic is. 
Don’t act like you care about East Punjabis. You called Sikhs being enslaved in Italy some form of karma. You’ve said in the past you feel you’re better than them because your lot left there early to come to the U.K.  Now that is an island monkey way of thinking. 
Just as soon as you claim these people are a concern to you, they are then called rectal parasites.  You have a very thinly veiled contempt and self hatred for Sikhs but considering your background that is hardly surprising, it has become an intrinsic part of you. 
How exactly are Sikhs going to take advantage of a growing India when it’s in the Hindustanis’ interest/mentality to keep us down and do us harm? For someone who claims I can’t critically think you don’t seem that good at it either lmao. Your schizophrenic tendency to turn everything into a caste issue just reflects your inability to face how most Sikhs are today regardless of their caste background. Othering a problem doesn’t make it go away even if it makes you feel better by accusing others and absolving yourself. 
Not everyone learns their heritage from translating Granths. Plenty of history is passed down from in other ways. Anyway it’s becoming apparent that my intelligence is highly triggering to the likes of you, premi, gurjant etc. People like yourself are so used to acting intelligent that when you come across someone who knows more than you your ego just can’t take it. Typical Sikh quasi-intellectual attitude. 
Once again you fail to acknowledge context. It was gurjant who bought up haplogroups in the past to claim his ancestors were brown. The science is sketchy to say the least but I won’t go on about why as you’ll just start crying that I’m a know it all. Come to think of it, gurjant told me that I should be grateful to live in a white country and called me ‘boy’ even though he is a middle earth manlet - both examples of a racist mindset. Funny how you don’t bring that up. Most likely because you want some Macauliffe figure to b*m lick and be your oceanic g*ylord. I’d rather believe in the concept of Quom than carry on like you are. 
Moosewala made himself a target and got hit hard for it. Says a lot about Sikhs if this is their idea of a hard man. 
It’s pretty clear I get this topic a bit more than you do. You’ve shied away from every point regarding economics I’ve brought up. I won’t bother asking again, you know the things you don’t understand. 
As for the rest of your points it’s the same old casteist nonsense. If you think sitting around on MS Paint doing collages of Pulp Fiction and some dancer is a good use of your time then I can’t really set you straight. It’s infantile but also bizarre. I’ve made my points about bhangra above, feel free to talk to these people to find out the truth. That’s if you’re not too busy watching stupid Punjabi music videos. 

Just because you were born then doesn’t mean you knew what was going on. You were as confused as anyone else back then, you’ve said yourself a whole bunch of different things about Khalistan so don’t act like you have a coherent viewpoint. Using your excuse for logic most of the victims of the Punjab Police are jatts too…. how do you reconcile that fact with your warped thinking?
I’ve already said no one is suggesting a return to the methods of the 80s. Your straw man argument about getting crusty RPDs off the sulleh just shows how you can’t reason properly so you claim someone said something and then argue against it. Anyway it’s clear you are more than happy with the status quo and how India treats Sikhs.
East Punjabis are already doing other people’s dirty work.  There has been a huge exodus from there if you haven’t noticed. 
Modi doesn’t have a choice. He gets his weapons and large amounts of raw materials from Russia. Ukraine has always been sympathetic to pakiland. It’s a no brainer for him.  What’s more important here is the backwards Sikhs who can’t solve their own problems but stick their noses in other people’s business. 
If you don’t understand what is going on then don’t go on about it like you do. You thought the Arabs bought oil from the Russians ffs. If you can’t predict things then give it a rest with the ‘momentous changes’ and other nonsense about nazis in Argentina. You clearly don’t even understand the basics of global trade. The world has always been full of oceans. Just because you learnt something new that was obvious to others doesn’t make the rest of us stupid. It just makes you slow. 
If you knew how to read you might have remembered the point you made about me using language from the angloid framework. My point is that your interpretation of what I say reflects your angloid mindset. Expecting me to use specific wording to p*ssyfoot around others’ preconceptions is ridiculous. If you haven’t noticed the left like to invent new words and phrases due to claims of issues surround existing terminology. The right on the other hand code their meanings using other words/phrases to hide their true attitudes (like with political correctness or cultural marxism). Crying about the language someone uses is not egalitarian in the slightest. You would understand this if you weren’t so closeted. 
It’s clear you need to give it a rest about things you don’t understand. Economics is not your strong point and some Great Leap Forward like you have in mind will do more harm than good. Unless that’s your intention all along. If Sikhs find themselves under attack it will be most likely because they have made themselves an easy target. Your roundabout logic and bizarre view on topics you don’t understand is symbolic of a common Sikh mentality that has caused this. 
Moosewala may have been an annoying poser but he paid the price for his nonsense. Unfortunately you’re not too different from him, whereas he posed with guns as a faux gangster you pose with your ramblings as a quasi-intellectual. 
I hate to break it you but all the Sikhs that do that bhangra are doing so because they think Sikhi is some modern ‘love everyone, let’s all have good feels n vibes bruv, everyone wants to be Sikh innit’ attitude or a variation on that. You would know if you actually talked to any of them. Your constant attempts to make it into a caste issue show how out of touch you are. Modern interpretations of Sikhi are causing a whole host of problems. Anyway, you’ve just come out with the same tired cliches and stereotypes you always do. It’s funny how you can’t even go a few posts without posting bhangra gifs like your mind is obsessed and broken. It’s obvious you can’t defend your points on the BRICS so you dragged the discussion into casteist territory that you are used to. Senility is a horrible thing. 

Oof. Somebody get me some mental floss. I have facts stuck in my teeth. 

I think the idea of Sikh autonomy and sovereignty isn't far from many Sikhs minds. That being said, seeing as how despite decades, there's been no progress or development outside of using the word Khalistan as a slogan to pee off Delhi isn't exactly inspiring now is it. It wasn't originally a 'dumb jutt idea' but you wouldn't know, because you probably wasn't even born when all the stuff was originally happening. But yes, subsequently, 'dumb jutts' under the guise of the police did their fair share of attacking pro-independence Sikhs to the point of sadistic torture and murder. 
If things were difficult to establish K'stan in the 80s, the situation is stacked against Sikhs even more now. India was just a backwards, third world, back water previously, but it's now become economically and  strategically important (if not central) to big plans. It doesn't make me a shill to have noticed and highlighted the undeniable progress India has made in the last few decades. They have their own space program, they send satellites into space for europeans, their economy is going in the right direction - and any amount of sour grapes on people like your part, doesn't make any difference to that. I know the place is still a backwards sh1thole, but they at least are trying to develop, unlike our rustics. Fact is, a certain type of moron (are you one?) is likely to push apnay into another one-sided genocide because of their hubris and inability to grasp changes and realities. What's your big idea? Get weapons off people who've mass groomed and raped apneean, go 'bwwwaaaaahhhhh!!!' and try and take on an infinitely better armed foe, who could now afford and easily use the latest surveillance tech and have umpteen allies?
The only good position we are in now, is that on the cusp of another potential world war (if it hasn't started already), we don't have hundreds of thousands of peasants press-ganged and ready to leave Panjab to do someone else's dirty work -  for a change...........
 
And we should squarely face the question - do jutts really want a state based upon Sikh theocracy or is it that they just want to do better financially/economically - hiding behind dharam is a cheap shot no one is really falling for, especially when people can obviously see where the majority of the jutt communities proclivities and passions lie:
 
 
 
 
See my last point above, but again, that some prominent person (and he was quite well respected in the past) still came out with what he did in this day and age is scary. I hope you are right that it is just a one off hark back to our enslaved days. In contrast, think whatever you want about him, Modi has shown a prudence in the face of a potential ww3 that our lot could learn from. I don't know about the rumours btw. 
 
It's you that doesn't get what I'm saying. I'm not saying I can predict what is coming, but it's undeniable that big global changes aren't unlikely to happen, and that our panth is slap bang in middle of the players trying to change the global game.  You might think you're big fish in a small pond, but the pond just grew into an ocean now. 
 
All of these years of us bouncing ideas off each other - what the f**k makes you think I've gone this route????? Just because I'm pushing that internal-egalitarian principle Sikh society has unquestionably been based upon, doesn't make me a lefty. Where's your head at?
Just out of bafflement: how is it that you think I confirm their prejudices?
 
Yeah, and we need to avoid a slaughter which could easily be bought about, and have umpteen parties vying for it if not involved (directly and indirectly). I grew up under the shadow of the last andolan - some of us don't seem to be able to learn tactical lessons from that. And plainly put, I don't want to see another SIkh bloodbath - we need to focus on development and modernisation. Not some growth of the current feudal, rural shyte we have going on. 
What like this shyte? 
 

 
You can live in denial about it, but my point about apnay making pendu fools of themselves through jutt bhangra culture is as valid as ever. Just because the idiocy comes from close to home, don't be in denial about it mate. 
And how the eff are we going to get to any modern development until the norm of feudal fighting over acres has ended anyway. I don't think you really know apnay to be honest. 

Be honest now you’ve always been a bit of a shill for India, especially as you saw Khalistan as a dumb jatt idea. If you’ve changed your mind after all that’s been revealed or just learnt to hide it then that’s up to you. Either way the whole ‘you don’t know how I think/feel’ is a very brishit sociopathic thing to say. Feel free to clarify your views on India and Khalistan otherwise I’ll just go on what you said in the past. 
 
Simranjeet Singh Mann’s views are only surprising if you’ve been taken in by the whole crying old man routine. You do know there is a deep rooted coconut mentality in a lot of Sikhs right? When their own people suffer they don’t care but when the west is in trouble they start crying over it and demanding something be done. SSM just reset to his default settings. Speaking of the 1970s …… there were always those stories about him from his police days. Don’t know if they were true though. 
These momentous changes as you call them have a bit more to it than what you can learn from Wikipedia and YouTube videos. The BRICS will have to learn to settle their future trades in one another’s currencies. This means each central bank having to trust the others with their deposits and reconciliations as well as figuring out ways to deal with forex and interest rate hedging when it comes to future payments. Then there is the whole issue of artificially pegged currencies and the means to resolve issues if a government devalues its currency and the potential effect on the holdings of foreign countries as a result. Not to mention issues around political upheaval. I haven’t even mentioned the likely results of deglobalization in the future too. Or whether these countries will be able to fully trade without the use of SWIFT which is a whole other issue. If anyone doesn’t understand the details here it is you. 
I’ll use whatever words are convenient as it’s up to you how you interpret them. No one has time to just sit around reinventing or making up words. We all know those with an angloid mindset just see what confirms their prejudices and you do an awful lot of that.  Policing language is another angloid thing as they are obsessed with the superficial. Don’t make me go on about paying lip service and shibboleths again. This looney lefty ‘language/silence is violence’ is just ridiculous. If you let their way of thinking in there is no hope for you. 
Zalenski is just a cocaine fuelled manlet.  Not sure what he has to do with anything Sikh related. Our leadership is already a full blown circus. 
As for guns, let’s face it, this India. Most guns end up in criminal hands and people with gun licences end up getting penalised for all the gun related crimes. Though there is nothing stopping a normal person getting one and keeping it a secret. That means no posing like in the music videos or social media. Also, the Russians are going to keep the good stuff for themselves as they need it in Ukraine. No point buying the monkey model stuff they sell off if you know anything about weapons.
When I talk about investment I’m talking about genuine capital expenditure and job creation, not some feudal fools fighting over a few acres like you are accustomed to. It’s becoming obvious a lot of what you say is skewed by talking to village idiots from East Punjab. Most of the recent emigrants from there are from the towns and cities. It’s a bit racist how all your talking points come back to funny dances/music and stereotypes. It’s like you’re Alf Garnett incarnate. 

Already starting to get rattled ?  Hahah 
In other news:
G20 held in Srinagar despite dire threats
NIA team leaving for the UK ( first time on foreign soil wonder what’s going on) 
Lots of other interesting news but I don’t want to derail the thread 

The only thing I will say is that you don't need to be some clairvoyant to see that war is on the cards. India has many sullay enemies (esp. paks), chinnay ones, jealous european ones, people internally not happy with things - most of us thought that the taliban was only taking a break from the kashmir campaigns after the us attacked their country, and that it was only ever a lull. I'm sure right now, people in afghanistan would be split, some wanting to genuinely form economic ties with india, some wanting to continue with the jihadi ways.  
Indians are likely to f**k up by trusting outsiders like europeans were trusted previously, allowing them to embed themselves, implant and foster gaddari and then derail things. But then our lot are 1000 times behind them even. 
Indians are politically everywhere now, when they don't need to be. Turkey was a good example, india helped with the earthquakes as 'dosts' but you can't trust these sullay, and even 'moderate' turks sided with paks push come to shove. But then india is making global moves, and whatever we might think of them, they have been making some smart moves, unlike our lot who seem trapped in  some bhangra-paaing, feudal level, backwards, provincial thinking. 

Plz don’t bring jatt bashing again. It has nuthing to do with jatts. Some communities are militant/fighter in nature and some not.
bammann/baniya communities are not brave enough to fight Muslim jihadis.

I think you are inflating your ego again, we all saw how a certain big mouth jaat were running around like chickens when a few gujjars started to flex it. 
 
But I do think that indians as a whole now are possibly going through some egomaniac thing because they are finally getting world recognition through modi's strategies. You are right in that they haven't been battle tested at all. But then our lot aren't what they used to be either by the looks of it. We should also maybe acknowledge that the old PM Manmohan SIngh's policies might have come to fruition now, and that some of the things we are seeing today are the result of this.
Apnay rural Panjabis seem like petty nobodies in the face of all this right now.   

dr. Surinder Singh was a high avastha gursikh. Other Gurmukhs hv also predicted that an army from Kabul will cause havoc in India and will kill countless people.

https://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,28391,28428
In any case, I hope that they Taliban and all such parties stay confined to Afghanistan and leave us (rest of the world) alone. But this is wishful thinking. These fellows are not going to sit idle and will certainly try to take over Pakistan and eventually India. Many of our Mahapurakhs have predicted that prior to Khalsa Raj, an army from Kabul side will take over Delhi and the fight that will ensue will lead to Khalsa Raj. Dr Surinder Singh jee used to say that when the army from Kabul will march to Delhi, they will commit incredible massacres along the GT road. Countless will die.
If you look at Dr Surinder Singh jee's and many other such predicitions, and then examine the Gazwa-e-Hind prediction that Muslims are waiting for, it seems likely that something of this sort will happen. Another fact that makes this likely to happen is that the Indian army is now mostly Baaniya and non-combat quoms who will run away at the first sight of tough Pashtun and Baloch army. Guru Sahib Kirpa karan.
Kulbir Singh

Anyone heard about Ghazwa e hind?
https://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/news/alqaeda-has-this-message-for-pm-modi-cm-yogi-ghazwa-e-hind-is-not-a-dream-101673125089288.html

In the past there has been absolutely no GOI support much like the UK government turned a blind eye to the grooming gangs. People were threatened, bought out or tagged with being Islamophobic. Perps were allowed to run free while victims jailed or threatened. 
 
Commies and leftists ( mostly Hindu) provided covering fire. But it’s not working anymore. Social Media is slowly starting to break the walls separating Hindus ( language, caste, ethnicity and location) with English serving as the bridge language  I now know what’s going on with Hindus on the different side of the world. 
 
The Modi government also has broken the back of the Islamist dominated Bollywood industry where only Muslim male actors are taken at the top with directions from Pakistan and the Middle East.  They have set up a very popular upcoming alternative  South Indian movie industry based on Hindu themes from Telegana ( RRR, Bahubali etc) you will see more and more upcoming films on native warriors. 
 
No tensions from our side here in Canada. The only people that are tensed are the ones that feel the narrative is shifting. 
 
With significant expertise in film, music, art and literature I think this will be a major medium Hindus use in the future. 
 

Groups like this go out of their way to recruit weak-willed, willingly subservient 'Sikhs' as mascots or tools. 

Tldr?
Masons destroying the world. They worship baphemet. No masons can be Sikhs. If you join a lodge you left the Paanth. Never trust a fake sikh from a pdfile lodge. 
Only thing worse than a nazi or a mason is these nazi fn masons. 

Well, you wrote "Casteism, racism, selfishness will ruin anything"
 
to which I added my experience, in agreeing with you. 

There is no group consensus on Khalistan. Jatts support it and oppose it.  All other castes within the panth do the same. Every Sikh has to take a good, hard look at themselves, and their own behaviour.
Sikhs need to do this on a micro and macro level. I feel Sikhs outside of Panjab in the diaspora are managing this better than those in Panjab, but Panjab is also catching up.
You need to look at your own stupidity as well Dal. And look soon. You haven't changed from 10 years ago. Same turds come out in your posts, with some good posts here and there.
But your image on this forum is of a stupid pendu. Maybe becasue you;ve been locked in with those others on these building sites. 
 
Rather than building character and  mellowing with age, instead your stupidity and crassness is as evident now from your posts 10 years ago.....lol
 
Take a look in the mirror and ask what you see how they have progressed.
 
 
 
My history? My history towards others hasn't been horrendous. What has your history been like?
 
 
Peaks and troughs. I thought you would have known this through your research on Sri Gur Panth Parkash?
 
 
Who said they did? I haven't. But you, being you, said that "peasants had absolutely no problem with welcoming haryani hindu jaats into the quom. The same lot who had murdered and raped countless Sikhs around 84. But apnay peasants were all in a forgiving mood for that when it suited them........lol"
 
And I have already asked you twice to list any of these people who you claim murdered Sikhs in Haryana and then became Sikhs themselves in the Kisaan Andolan. And true to your form, you haven't produced ONE name.
 
Now who would want to be "locked in" with you??
 
 
I know the feeling with you on this forum. take a look in that mirror and ask why I have said that.
 
 
Why? That's just your personal opinion. People have supported others rights to have a country, without being part of that group themselves. What an ignorant thing to say.
 
Not every Sikh is going to be religious and not every Sikh is going to support a Sikh country.  But everyone has a role to play in strengthening the panth and themselves.
 
 
My people? My people are Sikhs who stand for justice from 1699 onwards. I don't thinb any of my people who have murdered other Sikhs for that flag and money.
 
That's just like saying all Tarkhans should be held liable for Zail Singh and the role he played in exacerbating religious and political tension in Panjab on Indira Gandhi's orders. Zail Singh was the President of India, he did a lot for that flag and money.
 
So we should start saying that your people dal, sowed the seeds for conflict in which thousands died in Operation Bluestar and thousands more died in Novermber genocide, and thousands more were killed by the state in false police encounters.
 
 
Well, quite evidently with your stupidity on this forum, you're now "locked in" with me. We are both the sparks that don't shine the brightest on this forum aren't we?
 
You were talking nonsense (daltalk) about how exposure would lead people away, yet you've come straight like a moth of ignorance to a flame of ignorance. How does that feel dal?
 
 
 
For the record, the ONLY gurdwara which I've been asked to leave was a gurdwara belonging to dal's people. And the reason is, they asked me my surname and were expecting to hear a name that tied in with their group of people and I said my surname is singh. They said if you can't tell us your surname you cannot stay here and must leave.
 
I left and was glad I did, because I would have been affected by prolonged exposure to dal and his people and could very easily have turned out to be like dal and his people.....lol

For the record. The Jatt Sikh who did the most to welcome me into the Paanth was the first person to tell me the numbers and casteism of Jatts are a serious problem in the Paanth. 
Casteism, racism, selfishness will ruin anything. 

You'll have to explain it....lol
 
 
Like I said earlier, in plain english, furnish this forum with any names of Jaats who killed Sikhs in 1984, and then became Sikhs in the Kisaan Andolan.
 
 
That sellouts and traitors exist in every colour, community, caste and country. What's your point?
 
 
As far as I know, no.
 
 
Absolutey. Those people views stars on their shoulders and stripes on their arms, as more valuable than the sons of their mother.
 
 
 
You're not coming anywhere lol.
 
 
Did you see those tiranga waving Sikhs (read Hindus) in that video? I don't they are of "my" jaat.
 
 
Of course you can! I asked a very simple, cohorent question, in plain english, which you still haven't answered.
 
 
Maybe then you should get them to help you answer the question then? Obviously they (and me) invited these  Sikh-murdering hindu jaats into the Panth, so they can easily tell you why. I look forward to the answer.
 
 
Good?? I'm amazing lol.
 
 
And which govt listened to those complaints? The farmers resisted this new system, which would have made them more vulnerable.
 
 
Well how did Rihanna get to know about it in the first place? Because of the thousands of farmers in Panjab and outside of Panjab, Sikh and non-Sikh, Jatt and non-Jatt alike protesting for months. Mighty rivers flow from drops of water Dal....lol
 
 
Those mazhabis were overlooking any caste affiliations and working for the betterment of all farmers then, good on them.

What about your peasant hypocrisy? If you can start bringing in Haryani hindu jut phudhus who were murdering and raping Sikhs around 84 like it never happened, how are you any different to these people?
 
And the majority of extra judicial murders of 'kharkus' and innocents were done by juts of Sikh backgrounds, so what's your point? 
 
Is this guy your relative?
 

 
 

Casteism sends one  to dukhi. 
Vaheguru Ji ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji ki Fateh.