What is BRICS?

[dalsingh101]

BRICS is an acronym for five leading emerging economies: Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. The first four were initially grouped as "BRIC" (or "the BRICs") in 2001 by Goldman Sachs economist Jim O'Neill, who coined the term to describe fast-growing economies that would collectively dominate the global economy by 2050;^[1] South Africa was added in 2010.^[2]

The BRICS have a combined area of 39,746,220 km² (15,346,100 sq mi) and an estimated total population of about 3.21 billion,^[3] or about 26.7% of the world's land surface and 41.5% of the global population. Brazil, Russia, India, and China are among the world's ten largest countries by population, area, and GDP, and are widely considered to be current or emerging superpowers. All five states are members of the G20, with a combined nominal GDP of US$26.6 trillion (about 26.2% of the gross world product), a total GDP (PPP) of around US$51.99 trillion (32.1% of global GDP PPP), and an estimated US$4.46 trillion in combined foreign reserves (as of 2018).^[4][5]

 

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS}

 

[dalsingh101]

@HSD

What do you make of this? You're usually clued up about this geopolitical stuff. 

[GurjantGnostic]

6 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

@HSD

What do you make of this? You're usually clued up about this geopolitical stuff. 

Not so clued up on doxing people. 

[dalsingh101]

 

[dalsingh101]

 

[HSD]

10 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Not so clued up on doxing people. 

Stop crying you weird little hobbit.

You’re not clued up on haplogroups and the science behind genetics. You're not clued up on posting Gurbani and not being blasphemous. You’re not even clued up about who your dad is. Or the difference between the Irish and Welsh. 
All you are good for is munching on free food, begging for money and making snarky b*tchy comments that are typical for someone who comes from an angloid single parent home. You’re not even Sikh so why are you here? 
 

Also did you create a guest profile to argue with yourself on that wooden weapon thread? How sad is that!

Stop replying everytime I am mentioned. I know you’re a sad obsessed mentally ill freak but I don’t want anything to do with you. Go talk to all the other nutters behind my back like you did before. Or go work on your dumb ideas like the camera for a gun!  

[HSD]

17 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

@HSD

What do you make of this? You're usually clued up about this geopolitical stuff. 

What is it that you want to know? This stuff has been around for a while, have you just heard about it old man?

I first came across the BRICS in 2005. It was used to describe potential high growth markets. As the wiki states it was Goldman Sachs who came up with it but this was to sell shares/bonds from those places to investors and clients. Even the name BRICS is meant to sound like bricks which are used for construction. Construction implies growth and growth hints at profit. This was the vampire squid of Wall Street using potentially lucrative economic development as a way of getting its clients/investors to give them more money. 
In reality only China lived up to the hype. Brazil was riven by political issues, Russia faced enmity from the vindictive occident, India couldn’t get over the colonial hurdles left by the brits and South Africa has a lot of crime and health issues that hold it back. Goldman Sachs kept all the money it was given though and charged hefty commissions. 
 

The whole BRICS thing is responsible for some Sikhs investing in East Punjab following the Great Financial Crash of 2008. This in turn led to a whole load of problems. If you’re thinking of doing the same you should tread carefully. 

[dalsingh101]

3 hours ago, HSD said:

What is it that you want to know? This stuff has been around for a while, have you just heard about it old man?

I first came across the BRICS in 2005. It was used to describe potential high growth markets. As the wiki states it was Goldman Sachs who came up with it but this was to sell shares/bonds from those places to investors and clients. Even the name BRICS is meant to sound like bricks which are used for construction. Construction implies growth and growth hints at profit. This was the vampire squid of Wall Street using potentially lucrative economic development as a way of getting its clients/investors to give them more money. 
In reality only China lived up to the hype. Brazil was riven by political issues, Russia faced enmity from the vindictive occident, India couldn’t get over the colonial hurdles left by the brits and South Africa has a lot of crime and health issues that hold it back. Goldman Sachs kept all the money it was given though and charged hefty commissions. 
 

The whole BRICS thing is responsible for some Sikhs investing in East Punjab following the Great Financial Crash of 2008. This in turn led to a whole load of problems. If you’re thinking of doing the same you should tread carefully. 

What about Saudis and Iran joining? That could be a game changer you silver spoon peasant. 

Right now, Saudis are buying cheap oil off Russia and then selling it back to the Europeans to circumvent the 'price cap'. Which is hilarious when you think about. Russia still gets paid, and then the Arabs too.

Plus in terms of K'stan, India just got a whole lot more international support to help quash it if it came to it. 

[GurjantGnostic]

2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

What about Saudis and Iran joining? That could be a game changer you silver spoon peasant. 

Right now, Saudis are buying cheap oil off Russia and then selling it back to the Europeans to circumvent the 'price cap'. Which is hilarious when you think about. Russia still gets paid, and then the Arabs too.

Plus in terms of K'stan, India just got a whole lot more international support to help quash it if it came to it. 

Ooof. 

[HSD]

5 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

What about Saudis and Iran joining? That could be a game changer you silver spoon peasant. 

Right now, Saudis are buying cheap oil off Russia and then selling it back to the Europeans to circumvent the 'price cap'. Which is hilarious when you think about. Russia still gets paid, and then the Arabs too.

Plus in terms of K'stan, India just got a whole lot more international support to help quash it if it came to it. 

So much wrong in one post I can’t believe the senility of it. Let’s start with the casteist oxymoron as that is just the same dumb thing you say every time. At least try to come up with something original. 

As for newcomers, well Iran will get in but Saudi Arabia is a bit too close to Pakiland for India’s liking. Also SA won’t last long if it moves away from the West’s sphere of influence completely.  You’re getting a bit carried away with what the BRICS are for as they are not as cohesive as the Collective Security Treaty Organization or the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. It’s purely economic with the BRICS. 

The Saudis aren’t buying Russian oil. If you had passed GCSE Chemistry you would know that the oil that comes out of the ground has to be processed into other products before it can be useful. The Saudis have their own refineries that run on the stuff from their own wells. They don’t have the spare capacity to process other people’s crude oil. They also have lower production costs than Russia so it makes no sense for them to buy oil from them. It’s actually India that has the spare capacity and has been buying Russian oil for a below market price before shipping it to the EU. Putting sanctions on raw materials is always stupid as once it’s on a ship it is difficult to tell where it came from. That price cap won’t do anything apart from cause more headaches for certain importers. 

If Khalistan is a no go then all the Hindustan lovers are free to return back there then, yourself included. Let the smells of gutkapur fill your nostrils and the crowds of bandarchods embrace you when you get there as you can all celebrate the territorial integrity of your country as it was given to you by the angloids. 

It doesn’t bother me how much help India gets. It had plenty of help last time, especially being one of Britannia’s B*st*rds. There is a bit more to it next time. 

[dalsingh101]

11 hours ago, HSD said:

So much wrong in one post I can’t believe the senility of it. Let’s start with the casteist oxymoron as that is just the same dumb thing you say every time. At least try to come up with something original. 

As for newcomers, well Iran will get in but Saudi Arabia is a bit too close to Pakiland for India’s liking. Also SA won’t last long if it moves away from the West’s sphere of influence completely.  You’re getting a bit carried away with what the BRICS are for as they are not as cohesive as the Collective Security Treaty Organization or the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. It’s purely economic with the BRICS. 

The Saudis aren’t buying Russian oil. If you had passed GCSE Chemistry you would know that the oil that comes out of the ground has to be processed into other products before it can be useful. The Saudis have their own refineries that run on the stuff from their own wells. They don’t have the spare capacity to process other people’s crude oil. They also have lower production costs than Russia so it makes no sense for them to buy oil from them. It’s actually India that has the spare capacity and has been buying Russian oil for a below market price before shipping it to the EU. Putting sanctions on raw materials is always stupid as once it’s on a ship it is difficult to tell where it came from. That price cap won’t do anything apart from cause more headaches for certain importers. 

If Khalistan is a no go then all the Hindustan lovers are free to return back there then, yourself included. Let the smells of gutkapur fill your nostrils and the crowds of bandarchods embrace you when you get there as you can all celebrate the territorial integrity of your country as it was given to you by the angloids. 

It doesn’t bother me how much help India gets. It had plenty of help last time, especially being one of Britannia’s B*st*rds. There is a bit more to it next time. 

So much lack of realpolitik in your thinking, it doesn't look like you've had much real life experiences outside of a pampered bubble.......

In another post you said (and maybe there is some truth in what you said?), that some brown people in E. London may have subconsciously imbibed that indigenous, regional tribalism famous in the area. Okay, but I think you may have also imbibed that pompous, know it all, twat mentality from your educational background/influences. I don't blame you for it - it is what it is. 

I don't claim to be able to predict what the future holds, but still, a block like BRICS could potentially have a lot of economical sway - to the point of potentially becoming a dominant force in time. It appears as if A LOT of nations are tired of western hegemony on geopolitics. This could be a driving force. But, it's not all clear cut - India's issues with China, the outcome of the Russian-Ukraine conflict and a host of other things are obstacles. I see Argentina wants to join, but what I know about actual top level nazis ending up there after 'WW2' and how they've developed colonies over there, makes that questionable. Iran (a top oil producer) being able to circumvent US sanctions against them, would also benefit.

Also, I think your arrogant dismissal of forces arranged against pro-K'stan Sikhs is bordering on delusional. It almost guarantees a defeat. Before, people were aligned against such Sikhs secretly, and our lot didn't even understand or find out until decades later, and that too, through other people's investigative efforts or disclosures. 

 

And the way you appear to think that Sikh identity wraps around some sort of idea of a 'Sikh race' rather than a creed (i.e. a set of beliefs or aims which guide someone's actions), says a lot about you.........hell it looks like you've actually got your own 'identity' off of angloid ideas rather than the dharam you've inherited??? Can you seriously not see that bro? THAT is a PROPER oxymoron.   

 

 

[GurjantGnostic]

16 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

So much lack of realpolitik in your thinking, it doesn't look like you've had much real life experiences outside of a pampered bubble.......

In another post you said (and maybe there is some truth in what you said?), that some brown people in E. London may have subconsciously imbibed that indigenous, regional tribalism famous in the area. Okay, but I think you may have also imbibed that pompous, know it all, twat mentality from your educational background/influences. I don't blame you for it - it is what it is. 

I don't claim to be able to predict what the future holds, but still, a block like BRICS could potentially have a lot of economical sway - to the point of potentially becoming a dominant force in time. It appears as if A LOT of nations are tired of western hegemony on geopolitics. This could be a driving force. But, it's not all clear cut - India's issues with China, the outcome of the Russian-Ukraine conflict and a host of other things are obstacles. I see Argentina wants to join, but what I know about actually top level nazis ending up there after 'WW2' and how they've developed colonies over there makes that questionable. Iran (a top oil producer) being able to circumvent US sanctions against them would also benefit.

Also, I think your arrogant dismissal of forces arranged against pro-K'stan Sikhs is bordering on delusional. It almost guarantees a defeat. Before people were aligned against such Sikhs secretly, and our lot didn't even understand or find out until decades later, and that too, through other people's investigative efforts or disclosures. 

 

 

Agree. 

You'll never guess what was already open in STTM. 

ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਤਜਿ ਤਿਨ ਮਗ ਪਰੈ ॥

param purakh taj tin mag pare ||

Those who fear the castes and follow their path, abandoning the Supreme Lord.

ਬਾਰ ਬਾਰ ਜਗ ਮੋ ਬਪੁ ਧਰਹੀ ॥੨੨॥

baar baar jag mo bap dharahee ||22||

They fall into hell and transmigrate again and again.22.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji in Bachithr Naatak - 57

Lol...then again....I wouldn't argue with hsd...we all know....his...his uh...intel is perfect...lol

[HSD]

4 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

So much lack of realpolitik in your thinking, it doesn't look like you've had much real life experiences outside of a pampered bubble.......

In another post you said (and maybe there is some truth in what you said?), that some brown people in E. London may have subconsciously imbibed that indigenous, regional tribalism famous in the area. Okay, but I think you may have also imbibed that pompous, know it all, twat mentality from your educational background/influences. I don't blame you for it - it is what it is. 

I don't claim to be able to predict what the future holds, but still, a block like BRICS could potentially have a lot of economical sway - to the point of potentially becoming a dominant force in time. It appears as if A LOT of nations are tired of western hegemony on geopolitics. This could be a driving force. But, it's not all clear cut - India's issues with China, the outcome of the Russian-Ukraine conflict and a host of other things are obstacles. I see Argentina wants to join, but what I know about actual top level nazis ending up there after 'WW2' and how they've developed colonies over there, makes that questionable. Iran (a top oil producer) being able to circumvent US sanctions against them, would also benefit.

Also, I think your arrogant dismissal of forces arranged against pro-K'stan Sikhs is bordering on delusional. It almost guarantees a defeat. Before, people were aligned against such Sikhs secretly, and our lot didn't even understand or find out until decades later, and that too, through other people's investigative efforts or disclosures. 

 

And the way you appear to think that Sikh identity wraps around some sort of idea of a 'Sikh race' rather than a creed (i.e. a set of beliefs or aims which guide someone's actions), says a lot about you.........hell it looks like you've actually got your own 'identity' off of angloid ideas rather than the dharam you've inherited??? Can you seriously not see that bro? THAT is a PROPER oxymoron.   

 

 

If the best you can come up with is to say back to me what I said to you then you’ve clearly not got a clue. The likes of you and gurjant are too demented and delusional to engage in realpolitik so don’t even start. The BRICS will be a trading system at most and nothing else. If anything the reason it will be a success is if it avoids political and social considerations like the western system does. No one in the BRICS cares about Nazis in Argentina, even Brazil want them in there. 
 

You are so out of it all you can come up with are tired cliches and stereotypes that were barely relevant in the 1990s but now come across as derangement. I had a fairly austere upbringing and never went to a fee paying school. The fact that you have convinced yourself otherwise just shows that you believe whatever suits you. Coupled with your need to stick people in convenient boxes this shows you have an angloid mindset that doesn’t allow you to think otherwise. Not all of us spent our childhoods lounging around reading comics or sh*tting ourselves at the prospect of physical discipline from our parents like some people. 

If you are a coward when it comes to Khalistan, I don’t blame you. This must be very scary for you and popularity matters for people like you. It was fairly evident that India wasn’t fighting by itself, just because some thickos take decades to understand something doesn’t mean every Sikh is like that. I’m the one who has posted about other peoples interference in 1984 and Khalistan, not you. Don’t talk as if you’re the knowledgeable one on this. Any Khalistani suggesting a return to the methods of the 80s/90s is a moron and shouldn’t be listened to.

I have never said that a Sikh race exists. That’s another straw man argument that you keep bringing up without evidence. Everyone knows Sikhs we’re different before 1849 compared to now. The Sikhi  you believe in is just the post annexation nonsense where the brits instilled universalism into Sikhs and co-opted the faith to suit their needs. What angloid ideas do I espouse? Your beliefs are just some fruity hippy nonsense mixed with warrior larp. As for creed, anyone can pay lip service and say the right shibboleths to come across a certain way. You must be very naive and gullible not to see that. If there is someone on this forum who hanged out with racist skinheads in the past, it wasn’t me…..

An oxymoron is a term to describe a few words that contradict one another. It can’t be applied to beliefs or attitudes. Learn what something means before you start going off on one. 

[dalsingh101]

On 1/5/2023 at 6:16 PM, HSD said:

If the best you can come up with is to say back to me what I said to you then you’ve clearly not got a clue. The likes of you and gurjant are too demented and delusional to engage in realpolitik so don’t even start. The BRICS will be a trading system at most and nothing else. If anything the reason it will be a success is if it avoids political and social considerations like the western system does. No one in the BRICS cares about Nazis in Argentina, even Brazil want them in there. 
 

You are so out of it all you can come up with are tired cliches and stereotypes that were barely relevant in the 1990s but now come across as derangement. I had a fairly austere upbringing and never went to a fee paying school. The fact that you have convinced yourself otherwise just shows that you believe whatever suits you. Coupled with your need to stick people in convenient boxes this shows you have an angloid mindset that doesn’t allow you to think otherwise.  Not all of us spent our childhoods lounging around reading comics or sh*tting ourselves at the prospect of physical discipline from our parents like some people. 

What are you waffling on about??? You are a pampered type. And your 'Sikh identity' is so skewed it's comical. You actually think we are some "race". How retarded is that? Just having basic knowledge on the background of the panj piaray would clarify that - where do you get these stupid ideas from? It's definitely not from informed Sikh sources.   Are you another fragile minded peasant that just makes shyte up as you go along, just to keep that brain from overloading? 

I'm sure no one cares about Argentina's history, that doesn't mean we shouldn't make the wider sangat aware about it.  

 

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If you are a coward when it comes to Khalistan, I don’t blame you. This must be very scary for you and popularity matters for people like you. It was fairly evident that India wasn’t fighting by itself, just because some thickos take decades to understand something doesn’t mean every Sikh is like that. I’m the one who has posted about other peoples interference in 1984 and Khalistan, not you. Don’t talk as if you’re the knowledgeable one on this. Any Khalistani suggesting a return to the methods of the 80s/90s is a moron and shouldn’t be listened to.

Well, I don't exactly see the movement growing in any sophistication. A few of us knew that outsiders were involved, it's the majority that live in some clueless bubble. 

 

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I have never said that a Sikh race exists. That’s another straw man argument that you keep bringing up without evidence.

These are your own words only a few weeks ago......so you don't even remember what you're talking about? 

 

"The Sikh race will undergo a lot soon in order to reforge the Sikh nation. The old parts of what made Sikhs great will undo the scheming and theatrics of the those who have held us back the last 170 years. That means all the white worshipping coconuts, casteists, sulleh appeasing commies and hairy fairies will get what’s coming to them just as the brits are. "

 

 

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Everyone knows Sikhs we’re different before 1849 compared to now. The Sikhi  you believe in is just the post annexation nonsense where the brits instilled universalism into Sikhs and co-opted the faith to suit their needs. What angloid ideas do I espouse? Your beliefs are just some fruity hippy nonsense mixed with warrior larp. As for creed, anyone can pay lip service and say the right shibboleths to come across a certain way. You must be very naive and gullible not to see that. If there is someone on this forum who hanged out with racist skinheads in the past, it wasn’t me…..

No! not everyone knows or even care. Most of our lot are pendus. Go to the 'mainstream' Singh Sabha Gurdwaras, the majority there still believe the victorian, anglicised 'Sikhism' thing. 

You've lost the plot by the sounds of it bro. 

 

 

 

[dalsingh101]

 

[dalsingh101]

If this new transport corridor opens up from Russia, Iran, Azerbaijan and India, it's potentially going to give Panjab access to all manner to stuff, good and bad, like Russian weapons and even more narcotics from neighbouring sulleh nations.

[dalsingh101]

India will also be able to get crops (via the proposed new trade route) that they traditionally get from Panjab. This just highlights how important evolving away from an agricultural dependent economy is for us. People have been saying this for years but a certain unprogressive majority amongst us has resisted, and yet again put us in a potentially bad spot.  

[HSD]

13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

What are you waffling on about??? You are a pampered type. And your 'Sikh identity' is so skewed it's comical. You actually think we are some "race". How retarded is that? Just having basic knowledge on the background of the panj piaray would clarify that - where do you get these stupid ideas from? It's definitely not from informed Sikh sources.   Are you another fragile minded peasant that just makes shyte up as you go along, just to keep that brain from overloading? 

I'm sure no one cares about Argentina's history, that doesn't mean we shouldn't make the wider sangat aware about it.  

 

Well, I don't exactly see the movement growing in any sophistication. A few of us knew that outsiders were involved, it's the majority that live in some clueless bubble. 

 

These are your own words only a few weeks ago......so you don't even remember what you're talking about? 

 

"The Sikh race will undergo a lot soon in order to reforge the Sikh nation. The old parts of what made Sikhs great will undo the scheming and theatrics of the those who have held us back the last 170 years. That means all the white worshipping coconuts, casteists, sulleh appeasing commies and hairy fairies will get what’s coming to them just as the brits are. "

 

 

No! not everyone knows or even care. Most of our lot are pendus. Go to the 'mainstream' Singh Sabha Gurdwaras, the majority there still believe the victorian, anglicised 'Sikhism' thing. 

You've lost the plot by the sounds of it bro. 

 

 

 

So more straw man arguments. I’m not pampered and you are stupid to even say so. If anyone has a brain that overloads it’s yourself or one of the other lunatics on here who can’t understand any issues. 

Take for example your claims that others don’t have any real world experience or are closeted - an accusation you throw at anyone who disagrees with you. What real world experience do you have that makes you so knowledgeable about the global economy and international trade then? You’re so dumb you thought the Saudis would buy oil off the Russians. You still haven’t explained that one. All I can see is that you made it up and then projected that I did the same. 

As for Argentina, no one cares and no one wants to know. Everyone knows the whole Argentina nazi thing is no longer relevant and is being used by the alt right as a psyop to distract from obvious racism in the west. I’ll school you on a little history: outside of the second world the only country to not have a nazi secret group in it was Egypt and that’s because they accidentally discovered them. Which brings me to your beloved little India…… ever heard of these two?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Tank

Those two are just the tip of the iceberg.

As for the comment above, you do know that there is a difference between biological race and a nation group? If you read the whole comment I was clearly talking about a nation which can also be described using the term race. I never described it in the biological sense like you are going on about. This is the problem with people like you, no ability to understand nuance or complexity. 

You didn’t know any outsiders were involved back then. You were as dumb as the rest of the people you moan about. Do you still think you are better than those in East Punjab because your lot left it to go to Britain? Let’s see how that works out. Some would call it karma…..

[HSD]

10 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

India will also be able to get crops (via the proposed new trade route) that they traditionally get from Panjab. This just highlights how important evolving away from an agricultural dependent economy is for us. People have been saying this for years but a certain unprogressive majority amongst us has resisted, and yet again put us in a potentially bad spot.  

It’s beyond that now. People did try and invest in East Punjab only for the Badals to take their businesses off them and scare them away. The Indian govt get the produce from East Punjab at a huge discount. They have no interest in letting East Punjab better itself or paying higher prices for foreign foodstuffs. 
 

What’s really needed is a reorganisation of agriculture and better protection for foreign investment against the likes of Congress/SAD. East Punjabis will have to do the jobs that result from this rather than risking it all on getting abroad to work for below minimum wage - having spent tens of €thousands to get there. 

[dalsingh101]

9 hours ago, HSD said:

It’s beyond that now. People did try and invest in East Punjab only for the Badals to take their businesses off them and scare them away. The Indian govt get the produce from East Punjab at a huge discount. They have no interest in letting East Punjab better itself or paying higher prices for foreign foodstuffs. 
 

What’s really needed is a reorganisation of agriculture and better protection for foreign investment against the likes of Congress/SAD. East Punjabis will have to do the jobs that result from this rather than risking it all on getting abroad to work for below minimum wage - having spent tens of €thousands to get there. 

If this corridor thing happens, I think India might be even more flush with weapons. We might even get a normalised weapon culture there - which would be inline with our Sikh culture. I know weapons already proliferate, but there might be a better range available. 

Plus, if India wants to make the country more stable against external aggression in an increasingly unpredictable world, it probably should have a well armed populace - if it has the balls for that, and can control it. 

 

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What’s really needed is a reorganisation of agriculture and better protection for foreign investment against the likes of Congress/SAD.

Mate, keep it real. Anyone with even half a brain knows that the first people that are going to rip off any 'NRIs' of their land/business/property will be their own immediate family. It's a long standing Panjabi cultural norm.

[dalsingh101]

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As for Argentina, no one cares and no one wants to know. Everyone knows the whole Argentina nazi thing is no longer relevant and is being used by the alt right as a psyop to distract from obvious racism in the west. I’ll school you on a little history: outside of the second world the only country to not have a nazi secret group in it was Egypt and that’s because they accidentally discovered them. Which brings me to your beloved little India…… ever heard of these two?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Tank

Those two are just the tip of the iceberg.

 

First thing, you don't know what my feelings are towards India, but one thing I think is ridiculous from you is how you just wash over potentially momentous changes like they haven't happened. We've already had one (previously respected) numpty calling for apnay to jump into the Russ-Ukraine jungh, even after all the panth has been through since the 70s and all we now know about the colonial period. That just shows you our lot still have the potential to make the dumbest moves. 
 

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As for the comment above, you do know that there is a difference between biological race and a nation group? If you read the whole comment I was clearly talking about a nationwhich can also be described using the term race. I never described it in the biological sense like you are going on about. This is the problem with people like you, no ability to understand nuance or complexity. 

Well, don't use these 'angloid' frameworks in the first place. It's stupid thinking like that that keeps our growth stunted. 

 

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You didn’t know any outsiders were involved back then. You were as dumb as the rest of the people you moan about. Do you still think you are better than those in East Punjab because your lot left it to go to Britain? Let’s see how that works out. Some would call it karma…..

You talk about others not understanding and then come out with this........ you could be our Zelensky comedian leader in future.

If you recall, over the years I was the one making the most noise about how deeply brainwashed rural pendus were with the colonial propaganda, even decades after the goray twats had left Panjab. It's your tats that are the slow ones who struggle to grasp this. It was apparent to me that the government here didn't give a toss about 84 and whatnot, and it was obvious that they were the ones historically responsible for our decline after their 'annexation'. It was obvious also that the state here were covering up the grooming of Sikh females for decades and actually protecting the perpetrators. If you want to find oblivious dumbos, look closer to home - they aren't hard to miss:

 

[HSD]

On 1/12/2023 at 2:12 PM, dalsingh101 said:

First thing, you don't know what my feelings are towards India, but one thing I think is ridiculous from you is how you just wash over potentially momentous changes like they haven't happened. We've already had one (previously respected) numpty calling for apnay to jump into the Russ-Ukraine jungh, even after all the panth has been through since the 70s and all we now know about the colonial period. That just shows you our lot still have the potential to make the dumbest moves. 
 

Well, don't use these 'angloid' frameworks in the first place. It's stupid thinking like that that keeps our growth stunted. 

 

You talk about others not understanding and then come out with this........ you could be our Zelensky comedian leader in future.

If you recall, over the years I was the one making the most noise about how deeply brainwashed rural pendus were with the colonial propaganda, even decades after the goray twats had left Panjab. It's your tats that are the slow ones who struggle to grasp this. It was apparent to me that the government here didn't give a toss about 84 and whatnot, and it was obvious that they were the ones historically responsible for our decline after their 'annexation'. It was obvious also that the state here were covering up the grooming of Sikh females for decades and actually protecting the perpetrators. If you want to find oblivious dumbos, look closer to home - they aren't hard to miss:

 

 

On 1/12/2023 at 2:00 PM, dalsingh101 said:

If this corridor thing happens, I think India might be even more flush with weapons. We might even get a normalised weapon culture there - which would be inline with our Sikh culture. I know weapons already proliferate, but there might be a better range available. 

Plus, if India wants to make the country more stable against external aggression in an increasingly unpredictable world, it probably should have a well armed populace - if it has the balls for that, and can control it. 

 

Mate, keep it real. Anyone with even half a brain knows that the first people that are going to rip off any 'NRIs' of their land/business/property will be their own immediate family. It's a long standing Panjabi cultural norm.

Be honest now you’ve always been a bit of a shill for India, especially as you saw Khalistan as a dumb jatt idea. If you’ve changed your mind after all that’s been revealed or just learnt to hide it then that’s up to you. Either way the whole ‘you don’t know how I think/feel’ is a very brishit sociopathic thing to say. Feel free to clarify your views on India and Khalistan otherwise I’ll just go on what you said in the past. 
 

Simranjeet Singh Mann’s views are only surprising if you’ve been taken in by the whole crying old man routine. You do know there is a deep rooted coconut mentality in a lot of Sikhs right? When their own people suffer they don’t care but when the west is in trouble they start crying over it and demanding something be done. SSM just reset to his default settings. Speaking of the 1970s …… there were always those stories about him from his police days. Don’t know if they were true though. 

These momentous changes as you call them have a bit more to it than what you can learn from Wikipedia and YouTube videos. The BRICS will have to learn to settle their future trades in one another’s currencies. This means each central bank having to trust the others with their deposits and reconciliations as well as figuring out ways to deal with forex and interest rate hedging when it comes to future payments. Then there is the whole issue of artificially pegged currencies and the means to resolve issues if a government devalues its currency and the potential effect on the holdings of foreign countries as a result. Not to mention issues around political upheaval. I haven’t even mentioned the likely results of deglobalization in the future too. Or whether these countries will be able to fully trade without the use of SWIFT which is a whole other issue. If anyone doesn’t understand the details here it is you. 

I’ll use whatever words are convenient as it’s up to you how you interpret them. No one has time to just sit around reinventing or making up words. We all know those with an angloid mindset just see what confirms their prejudices and you do an awful lot of that.  Policing language is another angloid thing as they are obsessed with the superficial. Don’t make me go on about paying lip service and shibboleths again. This looney lefty ‘language/silence is violence’ is just ridiculous. If you let their way of thinking in there is no hope for you. 

Zalenski is just a cocaine fuelled manlet.  Not sure what he has to do with anything Sikh related. Our leadership is already a full blown circus. 

As for guns, let’s face it, this India. Most guns end up in criminal hands and people with gun licences end up getting penalised for all the gun related crimes. Though there is nothing stopping a normal person getting one and keeping it a secret. That means no posing like in the music videos or social media. Also, the Russians are going to keep the good stuff for themselves as they need it in Ukraine. No point buying the monkey model stuff they sell off if you know anything about weapons.

When I talk about investment I’m talking about genuine capital expenditure and job creation, not some feudal fools fighting over a few acres like you are accustomed to. It’s becoming obvious a lot of what you say is skewed by talking to village idiots from East Punjab. Most of the recent emigrants from there are from the towns and cities. It’s a bit racist how all your talking points come back to funny dances/music and stereotypes. It’s like you’re Alf Garnett incarnate. 

[dalsingh101]

10 hours ago, HSD said:

 

Be honest now you’ve always been a bit of a shill for India, especially as you saw Khalistan as a dumb jatt idea. If you’ve changed your mind after all that’s been revealed or just learnt to hide it then that’s up to you. Either way the whole ‘you don’t know how I think/feel’ is a very brishit sociopathic thing to say. Feel free to clarify your views on India and Khalistan otherwise I’ll just go on what you said in the past. 
 

I think the idea of Sikh autonomy and sovereignty isn't far from many Sikhs minds. That being said, seeing as how despite decades, there's been no progress or development outside of using the word Khalistan as a slogan to pee off Delhi isn't exactly inspiring now is it. It wasn't originally a 'dumb jutt idea' but you wouldn't know, because you probably wasn't even born when all the stuff was originally happening. But yes, subsequently, 'dumb jutts' under the guise of the police did their fair share of attacking pro-independence Sikhs to the point of sadistic torture and murder. 

If things were difficult to establish K'stan in the 80s, the situation is stacked against Sikhs even more now. India was just a backwards, third world, back water previously, but it's now become economically and  strategically important (if not central) to big plans. It doesn't make me a shill to have noticed and highlighted the undeniable progress India has made in the last few decades. They have their own space program, they send satellites into space for europeans, their economy is going in the right direction - and any amount of sour grapes on people like your part, doesn't make any difference to that. I know the place is still a backwards sh1thole, but they at least are trying to develop, unlike our rustics. Fact is, a certain type of moron (are you one?) is likely to push apnay into another one-sided genocide because of their hubris and inability to grasp changes and realities. What's your big idea? Get weapons off people who've mass groomed and raped apneean, go 'bwwwaaaaahhhhh!!!' and try and take on an infinitely better armed foe, who could now afford and easily use the latest surveillance tech and have umpteen allies?

The only good position we are in now, is that on the cusp of another potential world war (if it hasn't started already), we don't have hundreds of thousands of peasants press-ganged and ready to leave Panjab to do someone else's dirty work -  for a change...........

 

And we should squarely face the question - do jutts really want a state based upon Sikh theocracy or is it that they just want to do better financially/economically - hiding behind dharam is a cheap shot no one is really falling for, especially when people can obviously see where the majority of the jutt communities proclivities and passions lie:

 

 

 

 

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Simranjeet Singh Mann’s views are only surprising if you’ve been taken in by the whole crying old man routine. You do know there is a deep rooted coconut mentality in a lot of Sikhs right? When their own people suffer they don’t care but when the west is in trouble they start crying over it and demanding something be done. SSM just reset to his default settings. Speaking of the 1970s …… there were always those stories about him from his police days. Don’t know if they were true though. 

See my last point above, but again, that some prominent person (and he was quite well respected in the past) still came out with what he did in this day and age is scary. I hope you are right that it is just a one off hark back to our enslaved days. In contrast, think whatever you want about him, Modi has shown a prudence in the face of a potential ww3 that our lot could learn from. I don't know about the rumours btw. 

 

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These momentous changes as you call them have a bit more to it than what you can learn from Wikipedia and YouTube videos. The BRICS will have to learn to settle their future trades in one another’s currencies. This means each central bank having to trust the others with their deposits and reconciliations as well as figuring out ways to deal with forex and interest rate hedging when it comes to future payments. Then there is the whole issue of artificially pegged currencies and the means to resolve issues if a government devalues its currency and the potential effect on the holdings of foreign countries as a result. Not to mention issues around political upheaval. I haven’t even mentioned the likely results of deglobalization in the future too. Or whether these countries will be able to fully trade without the use of SWIFT which is a whole other issue. If anyone doesn’t understand the details here it is you. 

It's you that doesn't get what I'm saying. I'm not saying I can predict what is coming, but it's undeniable that big global changes aren't unlikely to happen, and that our panth is slap bang in middle of the players trying to change the global game.  You might think you're big fish in a small pond, but the pond just grew into an ocean now. 

 

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I’ll use whatever words are convenient as it’s up to you how you interpret them. No one has time to just sit around reinventing or making up words. We all know those with an angloid mindset just see what confirms their prejudices and you do an awful lot of that.  Policing language is another angloid thing as they are obsessed with the superficial. Don’t make me go on about paying lip service and shibboleths again. This looney lefty ‘language/silence is violence’ is just ridiculous. If you let their way of thinking in there is no hope for you. 

All of these years of us bouncing ideas off each other - what the f**k makes you think I've gone this route????? Just because I'm pushing that internal-egalitarian principle Sikh society has unquestionably been based upon, doesn't make me a lefty. Where's your head at?

Just out of bafflement: how is it that you think I confirm their prejudices?

 

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  Zalenski is just a cocaine fuelled manlet.  Not sure what he has to do with anything Sikh related. Our leadership is already a full blown circus.

Yeah, and we need to avoid a slaughter which could easily be bought about, and have umpteen parties vying for it if not involved (directly and indirectly). I grew up under the shadow of the last andolan - some of us don't seem to be able to learn tactical lessons from that. And plainly put, I don't want to see another SIkh bloodbath - we need to focus on development and modernisation. Not some growth of the current feudal, rural shyte we have going on. 

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As for guns, let’s face it, this India. Most guns end up in criminal hands and people with gun licences end up getting penalised for all the gun related crimes. Though there is nothing stopping a normal person getting one and keeping it a secret. That means no posing like in the music videos or social media. Also, the Russians are going to keep the good stuff for themselves as they need it in Ukraine. No point buying the monkey model stuff they sell off if you know anything about weapons.

What like this shyte? 

 

 

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When I talk about investment I’m talking about genuine capital expenditure and job creation, not some feudal fools fighting over a few acres like you are accustomed to. It’s becoming obvious a lot of what you say is skewed by talking to village idiots from East Punjab. Most of the recent emigrants from there are from the towns and cities. It’s a bit racist how all your talking points come back to funny dances/music and stereotypes. It’s like you’re Alf Garnett incarnate. 

You can live in denial about it, but my point about apnay making pendu fools of themselves through jutt bhangra culture is as valid as ever. Just because the idiocy comes from close to home, don't be in denial about it mate. 

And how the eff are we going to get to any modern development until the norm of feudal fighting over acres has ended anyway. I don't think you really know apnay to be honest. 

[GurjantGnostic]

3 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

I think the idea of Sikh autonomy and sovereignty isn't far from many Sikhs minds. That being said, seeing as how despite decades, there's been no progress or development outside of using the word Khalistan as a slogan to pee off Delhi isn't exactly inspiring now is it. It wasn't originally a 'dumb jutt idea' but you wouldn't know, because you probably wasn't even born when all the stuff was originally happening. But yes, subsequently, 'dumb jutts' under the guise of the police did their fair share of attacking pro-independence Sikhs to the point of sadistic torture and murder. 

If things were difficult to establish K'stan in the 80s, the situation is stacked against Sikhs even more now. India was just a backwards, third world, back water previously, but it's now become economically and  strategically important (if not central) to big plans. It doesn't make me a shill to have noticed and highlighted the undeniable progress India has made in the last few decades. They have their own space program, they send satellites into space for europeans, their economy is going in the right direction - and any amount of sour grapes on people like your part, doesn't make any difference to that. I know the place is still a backwards sh1thole, but they at least are trying to develop, unlike our rustics. Fact is, a certain type of moron (are you one?) is likely to push apnay into another one-sided genocide because of their hubris and inability to grasp changes and realities. What's your big idea? Get weapons off people who've mass groomed and raped apneean, go 'bwwwaaaaahhhhh!!!' and try and take on an infinitely better armed foe, who could now afford and easily use the latest surveillance tech and have umpteen allies?

The only good position we are in now, is that on the cusp of another potential world war (if it hasn't started already), we don't have hundreds of thousands of peasants press-ganged and ready to leave Panjab to do someone else's dirty work -  for a change...........

 

And we should squarely face the question - do jutts really want a state based upon Sikh theocracy or is it that they just want to do better financially/economically - hiding behind dharam is a cheap shot no one is really falling for, especially when people can obviously see where the majority of the jutt communities proclivities and passions lie:

 

 

 

 

See my last point above, but again, that some prominent person (and he was quite well respected in the past) still came out with what he did in this day and age is scary. I hope you are right that it is just a one off hark back to our enslaved days. In contrast, think whatever you want about him, Modi has shown a prudence in the face of a potential ww3 that our lot could learn from. I don't know about the rumours btw. 

 

It's you that doesn't get what I'm saying. I'm not saying I can predict what is coming, but it's undeniable that big global changes aren't unlikely to happen, and that our panth is slap bang in middle of the players trying to change the global game.  You might think you're big fish in a small pond, but the pond just grew into an ocean now. 

 

All of these years of us bouncing ideas off each other - what the f**k makes you think I've gone this route????? Just because I'm pushing that internal-egalitarian principle Sikh society has unquestionably been based upon, doesn't make me a lefty. Where's your head at?

Just out of bafflement: how is it that you think I confirm their prejudices?

 

Yeah, and we need to avoid a slaughter which could easily be bought about, and have umpteen parties vying for it if not involved (directly and indirectly). I grew up under the shadow of the last andolan - some of us don't seem to be able to learn tactical lessons from that. And plainly put, I don't want to see another SIkh bloodbath - we need to focus on development and modernisation. Not some growth of the current feudal, rural shyte we have going on. 

What like this shyte? 

 

 

You can live in denial about it, but my point about apnay making pendu fools of themselves through jutt bhangra culture is as valid as ever. Just because the idiocy comes from close to home, don't be in denial about it mate. 

And how the eff are we going to get to any modern development until the norm of feudal fighting over acres has ended anyway. I don't think you really know apnay to be honest. 

Oof. Somebody get me some mental floss. I have facts stuck in my teeth. 

[HSD]

On 1/14/2023 at 8:13 PM, dalsingh101 said:

I think the idea of Sikh autonomy and sovereignty isn't far from many Sikhs minds. That being said, seeing as how despite decades, there's been no progress or development outside of using the word Khalistan as a slogan to pee off Delhi isn't exactly inspiring now is it. It wasn't originally a 'dumb jutt idea' but you wouldn't know, because you probably wasn't even born when all the stuff was originally happening. But yes, subsequently, 'dumb jutts' under the guise of the police did their fair share of attacking pro-independence Sikhs to the point of sadistic torture and murder. 

If things were difficult to establish K'stan in the 80s, the situation is stacked against Sikhs even more now. India was just a backwards, third world, back water previously, but it's now become economically and  strategically important (if not central) to big plans. It doesn't make me a shill to have noticed and highlighted the undeniable progress India has made in the last few decades. They have their own space program, they send satellites into space for europeans, their economy is going in the right direction - and any amount of sour grapes on people like your part, doesn't make any difference to that. I know the place is still a backwards sh1thole, but they at least are trying to develop, unlike our rustics. Fact is, a certain type of moron (are you one?) is likely to push apnay into another one-sided genocide because of their hubris and inability to grasp changes and realities. What's your big idea? Get weapons off people who've mass groomed and raped apneean, go 'bwwwaaaaahhhhh!!!' and try and take on an infinitely better armed foe, who could now afford and easily use the latest surveillance tech and have umpteen allies?

The only good position we are in now, is that on the cusp of another potential world war (if it hasn't started already), we don't have hundreds of thousands of peasants press-ganged and ready to leave Panjab to do someone else's dirty work -  for a change...........

 

And we should squarely face the question - do jutts really want a state based upon Sikh theocracy or is it that they just want to do better financially/economically - hiding behind dharam is a cheap shot no one is really falling for, especially when people can obviously see where the majority of the jutt communities proclivities and passions lie:

 

 

 

 

See my last point above, but again, that some prominent person (and he was quite well respected in the past) still came out with what he did in this day and age is scary. I hope you are right that it is just a one off hark back to our enslaved days. In contrast, think whatever you want about him, Modi has shown a prudence in the face of a potential ww3 that our lot could learn from. I don't know about the rumours btw. 

 

It's you that doesn't get what I'm saying. I'm not saying I can predict what is coming, but it's undeniable that big global changes aren't unlikely to happen, and that our panth is slap bang in middle of the players trying to change the global game.  You might think you're big fish in a small pond, but the pond just grew into an ocean now. 

 

All of these years of us bouncing ideas off each other - what the f**k makes you think I've gone this route????? Just because I'm pushing that internal-egalitarian principle Sikh society has unquestionably been based upon, doesn't make me a lefty. Where's your head at?

Just out of bafflement: how is it that you think I confirm their prejudices?

 

Yeah, and we need to avoid a slaughter which could easily be bought about, and have umpteen parties vying for it if not involved (directly and indirectly). I grew up under the shadow of the last andolan - some of us don't seem to be able to learn tactical lessons from that. And plainly put, I don't want to see another SIkh bloodbath - we need to focus on development and modernisation. Not some growth of the current feudal, rural shyte we have going on. 

What like this shyte? 

 

 

You can live in denial about it, but my point about apnay making pendu fools of themselves through jutt bhangra culture is as valid as ever. Just because the idiocy comes from close to home, don't be in denial about it mate. 

And how the eff are we going to get to any modern development until the norm of feudal fighting over acres has ended anyway. I don't think you really know apnay to be honest. 

Just because you were born then doesn’t mean you knew what was going on. You were as confused as anyone else back then, you’ve said yourself a whole bunch of different things about Khalistan so don’t act like you have a coherent viewpoint. Using your excuse for logic most of the victims of the Punjab Police are jatts too…. how do you reconcile that fact with your warped thinking?

I’ve already said no one is suggesting a return to the methods of the 80s. Your straw man argument about getting crusty RPDs off the sulleh just shows how you can’t reason properly so you claim someone said something and then argue against it. Anyway it’s clear you are more than happy with the status quo and how India treats Sikhs.

East Punjabis are already doing other people’s dirty work.  There has been a huge exodus from there if you haven’t noticed. 

Modi doesn’t have a choice. He gets his weapons and large amounts of raw materials from Russia. Ukraine has always been sympathetic to pakiland. It’s a no brainer for him.  What’s more important here is the backwards Sikhs who can’t solve their own problems but stick their noses in other people’s business. 

If you don’t understand what is going on then don’t go on about it like you do. You thought the Arabs bought oil from the Russians ffs. If you can’t predict things then give it a rest with the ‘momentous changes’ and other nonsense about nazis in Argentina. You clearly don’t even understand the basics of global trade. The world has always been full of oceans. Just because you learnt something new that was obvious to others doesn’t make the rest of us stupid. It just makes you slow. 

If you knew how to read you might have remembered the point you made about me using language from the angloid framework. My point is that your interpretation of what I say reflects your angloid mindset. Expecting me to use specific wording to p*ssyfoot around others’ preconceptions is ridiculous. If you haven’t noticed the left like to invent new words and phrases due to claims of issues surround existing terminology. The right on the other hand code their meanings using other words/phrases to hide their true attitudes (like with political correctness or cultural marxism). Crying about the language someone uses is not egalitarian in the slightest. You would understand this if you weren’t so closeted. 

It’s clear you need to give it a rest about things you don’t understand. Economics is not your strong point and some Great Leap Forward like you have in mind will do more harm than good. Unless that’s your intention all along. If Sikhs find themselves under attack it will be most likely because they have made themselves an easy target. Your roundabout logic and bizarre view on topics you don’t understand is symbolic of a common Sikh mentality that has caused this. 

Moosewala may have been an annoying poser but he paid the price for his nonsense. Unfortunately you’re not too different from him, whereas he posed with guns as a faux gangster you pose with your ramblings as a quasi-intellectual. 

I hate to break it you but all the Sikhs that do that bhangra are doing so because they think Sikhi is some modern ‘love everyone, let’s all have good feels n vibes bruv, everyone wants to be Sikh innit’ attitude or a variation on that. You would know if you actually talked to any of them. Your constant attempts to make it into a caste issue show how out of touch you are. Modern interpretations of Sikhi are causing a whole host of problems. Anyway, you’ve just come out with the same tired cliches and stereotypes you always do. It’s funny how you can’t even go a few posts without posting bhangra gifs like your mind is obsessed and broken. It’s obvious you can’t defend your points on the BRICS so you dragged the discussion into casteist territory that you are used to. Senility is a horrible thing.