Narsingha

Hope the gatka competition goes well. The padding on those gatka sticks looks very thin....hope there arent any injuries.

1) keeps the head and ears warm during winter 2) hides any bald patches 3) saves on pricey haircuts

Why did the Muslim attack the Sikh youth in the first place? ..are u suggesting Muslims start the violence? Tsk tsk... :roll:

Just a query.... Is there any reason why Balpreet Singh hasnt used any references that are pre-1984?

Probably early next year, as soon as I finish the other updates for the websites, and release a few new ones. The slides/notes for all 4 talks (...including the talks done at the Wallace Collection, V and A Museum, Brunel Uni, Kings College London and Warwick Uni) will be put online along with MP3/RA audio and MP4/Flash/Java video. Oops, silly me...almost forgot to mention that the very entertaining Q and A sessions that followed each respective talk will also be featured, along with evidence of how various parties attempted to stop some of the talks from talking place at the various venues.

...you have the chance to cook a fab omelette

..yeah, this isnt (edited), where such behaviour is acceptable as long as its done by "Panthic Gursikhs" (sorry, cudnt resist) Mods Note: Please don't turn this thread into an attack on other forums/sites. Thanks.

Dynamic_Banda..u have far too much time on your hands, and too much sex on the brain - not a very healthy combination. Concept of hell.....samosey without any imblee chutney for dunking.....f*&@!!!!

...humans didnt get to the top of the food chain by being vegetarians....

2005 will see the release of: www.nihang.com www.sanjamkiriya.org www.shastarvidiya.com ....and at least 2 new versions of www.sarbloh.info www.shastarvidiya.org www.budhadal.com www.sewapanthi.org Along with MANY other projects that are in the pipeline...some of which are in their final stages of completion. ....Guru Kirpa... As ever, those who consider Sanatan Sikhi/Nihangs/Bacon sandwiches/supermarkets/non-Taksali kirpans, etc, as a threat to their 'Panthic unity', they will try their best to stop us from acheiving our goals. Some have even claimed with great pride on the net and to their peers that they regularly do "Ardas" to Guruji - so that we may fail in our efforts, or some disaster may befall us. I think they missed the part about "Sarbat dah Bhalla" (last line of 'Ardas').

its www.budhadal.org

I guess those are 3 questions you can ask on Monday...

Once again, I would humbly ask everyone not to bring supermarkets into these mud-slinging matches. :roll: It appears that those who hate/disagree with Sanatan Sikhs also seem to have a serious grudge towards supermarkets. I believe Sainsburys was their last focus of attention. We all know the trolleys, hand-baskets, counters, shelves, packaging, etc., arent made out of pure Indian Sarbloh, but thats no reason to throw a wobbly.

SMS You and others are welcome to ask questions at the talks. If they cannot be answered in the time allocated, then you are free to approach Nihang Niddar Singh or others who u consider wise enough to answer your questions. Whether you get the answer you're looking for is another issue.

Once again, we invite these "individuals" who consider Sanatan Sikhs a threat, to turn up to the talks to debate and discuss. We should ask ourselves, would Sikhs of the Guru: a) threaten and intimidate women? threaten, intimidate and cause violence towards those younger/weaker than them? c) threaten families of individuals? d) send out emails that are full of deceit and are purposely intent on DECEIVING Sangat that is seeking wisdom and truth (ie, Saadh Sangat)? e) spread slander, rumour, gossip and hatred? f) dish out death threats? ..if the answer is "YES" to the above, then these people have succeeded in attaining Sach Khand. However, stepping over this primordial soup of fanaticism, insecurity, self-delusion and dribble - those who wish to pursue the way of wisdom, for them the talks will go ahead as planned, Guru Kirpa. PS. This doesnt apply to those people sent to the talks by these fanatic individuals to keep an eye on the proceedings to report back to base...who knows, perhaps they are learning while spying

How come I didnt get an email? :cry:

Not all Nihangs will give straight answers, not all answers given by Nihangs are straight. Everyone is different and will chose to approach a situation his/her unique way. N30Singh, try to put your personal issues aside - and your own atma may get further when you stop spreading rubbish about me to other people (if you want the evidence, you can have it). Please remember that some prefer asking questions, some prefer giving answers....such is life. Some people chose NOT to answer for whatever reason they may have...it is called FREEDOM of choice. For the record, ppl are free to comment and question on the websites, and we do take into account what people are saying. How we choose to respond to this is a different issue. You must appreciate, we all have strategy....if the strategy were obvious, then it wouldn't be much of a strategy.

Firstly, the quotes utilised from these old texts are not 'gospel', but go some way in defining what occured in the past. Secondly, there are many sections arriving soon that DO utilise these 'traditional' scholars...your pressumptions that we are being selective in what texts we utilise are premature. Thirdly, it would be very easy to bring out another Sikh historical website that re-invents the wheel and simply re-writes the works of Macauliff, Harbans Singh, Giani Gian Singh, etc etc. However, we are Sanatan Sikhs, and quality is important, not quantity....nor are we in the arena to please any particular individual or group. Now, lets get realistic. The websites represent a SNAPSHOT of Sanatan Sikhism and associated traditions. Sanatan Sikhism too huge, too diverse, and too varied for any website or book to encapsulate entirely....for those who turn up to the lecture series, they will realise this for themselves. Its like asking you to put down every event that has occured in your life on paper....unless you can remember EVERYTHING (including crapping in your diaper as a kid, etc.), this is impossible. What you are asking/requesting is highly unrealistic, and it also makes out that every other Sikh is too lazy to do their own research. If one were to do as you ask, this would mean: a) translating/transcribing EVERY source of Sikh history - contemporary, traditional, modern, etc. putting EVERY source online c) ask everyone to READ these translations (by which time most people would be in a coma before they reach the 1st volume of Suraj Prakash Granth) d) comparing each source in turn and compiling a reference text of similarites and differences e) introducing oral tradition (from all 4 sampardas regarding EVERY concievable topic) f) substantiating oral tradition with EVERY text available (on every topic covered) ...and this would then be available for people to then critise at their hearts content. In addition, this would take an army of "scholars", all of whom are versed in Punjabi, urdu, sanskrit, brij, latin, etc., not to mention knowledgable in Raags, Shastar Vidiya, Ayurveda, Raaj Vidiya, etc. For those people who wish to discover more, they are free to do their OWN research....in fact almost every text referenced on the websites is available from Chattar Singh Jeevan Singh, Singh Brothers, DTF, Sikh Missionary, AKJ and Taksali bookstalls, etc. The websites are being done by Nihang Niddar Singh and myself, and not by a vast army of Sanatan Sikhs, nor are websites funded by Lottery grants, government funding, or indeed money from sangat. It takes time to write, research and compile articles, gather quotes, transcripts and opinions of other Sanatan Sikhs, etc. For those who are unhappy with what has been presented, perhaps you should do your own research and present your data online so that we too may see the product of your efforts. We saw on effort by the AKJ which was in defiance to the Shastar Vidiya website, and that included fablulous pictures of a doll dressed up as Akali Nihang Baba Santa Singh.

www.budhadal.org read the quotes...they are self explanatory....

Noor, u are better off reading works by Giani Gian Singh, Pandit Ganesha Singh, Pandit Narayan Singh Ji....they were accomplished scholars, with tremendous amount of knowledge, respect and spiritual awareness...as is evident in their work.

..and Maha_Pavitar

:roll: perhaps Mr N30Singh, need to check up on what "flattery" entails. After reading your posts, one may get the impression that Canadian Sikhs (?Scholars?) arent very proficient grasp of English. Tsk tsk. Just as well I'm not part of the "Penji Paaji Club", otherwise I would find myself being "flattered" by the likes of yourself.. :wink: Anyway, getting back to the matter at hand, isnt Amrit based in India? Why is he considered a "Western Sikh Scholar"?

I'm neither "Western" nor a "Scholar" ....and some would argue I am not a "Sikh" either Perhaps one needs to define criteria as to what defines a "Scholar", However, assuming a larger definition, anyone who is claims to be a "Sikh" can be considered a scholar should they wish to study Dharam.

Can we quote you on this for future reference?

Where are the Scholars when you need them???