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there's a new email discussion forum set up by harjinder singh lallie... details below... Vahiguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vahiguru Ji Ki Fateh || I am trying to get the Gurmat Sangeet Academy email forum known amongst as many people as possible. It will be really useful to learn from other Sikhs (around the world!) and could be an excellent easy-to-manage resource for sharing resources and informing interested people about Kirtan darbars, workshops, seminars, concerts, classes etc. Do your bit to promote the email forum by forwarding on the following message to all your ‘interested’ friends and family: - - - - - The Gurmat Sangeet discussion forum has been established to promote, propagate and share knowledge relating to the rich tradition of kirtan as promoted by our Gurus. The forum has been established by the Gurmat Sangeet Academy which holds regular classes in the Midlands on Gurmat Sangeet including tabla, Tanti Saaj (stringed instruments), Vocals and kirtan (putting it all together!). More information can be found at www.gurmatsangeet.org To join the group, send an email to: GurmatSangeetAcademy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com once subscribed, you will receive regular emails relating to the knowledge of Gurmat Sangeet, kirtan, tanti saaj, tabla, pakhavaj etc., and also of kirtan darbars, workshops, seminars, classes, concerts and any other events that are music related. To send a message to all the members of the email group, email it to: GurmatSangeetAcademy@yahoogroups.com it will normally take a few hours to go through as the list is being moderated (to ensure that all postings are relevant and courteous!) Harjinder Singh Lallie

no worries. enjoy reading them! keep them coming.

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Akbar and Tansen Visit Haridas

proof... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXOlDa_Iezs

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6496585.stm In the second of his series, BBC World Affairs Correspondent Mark Doyle analyses the state of food production across the globe. On his farm just outside the Punjabi city of Ludhiana in northern India, Jagjit Singh Hara showed off his collection of old photos. One of the farmer's most prized snaps is of him with the Norwegian-American agronomist Norman Borlaug, the man popularly known as The Father of the Green Revolution. "Here we are when we were both young men," says Mr Singh Hara with smile. "I said to him: 'Dr Borlaug, I want to put my hand in your pocket. But I don't want to take out the dollars, I want to take out the wheat seeds you have.'" Punjab State, the breadbasket of India, is one of the places where the Green Revolution began. It more than doubled aggregate production here of wheat and rice. India, a country that will probably soon overtake China as the most populous nation in the world, went from being a food-aid "basket case" to being largely self-sufficient in food. The benefits - and costs - of the Green Revolution in India are reflected in other parts of the developing world. In Punjab, I was looking for clues about whether output could be boosted further to cope with the rising demand that will be required to feed a world population set to rise from 6.6 billion today to more than nine billion people by 2050. Food output across the world increased considerably in the last four decades of the 20th Century, largely as a result of the intensive farming techniques introduced by the Green Revolution. The new techniques involved distributing hybrid grain seeds - mainly wheat, rice and corn. The hybrids grow with a shorter stalk. This maximises the process of photosynthesis, which nourishes the grain because less energy goes into the stem. The hybrid seeds were combined with the intensive use of fertilisers and irrigation. Population v Production After successfully being introduced in India, the Green Revolution was rolled out in other parts of Asia, Latin America and the Middle East. It was so successful in terms of production increases that it defied the gloomy Malthusian predictions of the 1960s, which said hundreds of millions would starve as population outstripped farm output. The Revolution was a technological success. "Before the 1960s, the population of India was multiplying like rats in a barn," said Jagjit Singh Hara, "but we didn't have the grain to feed them. After the Green Revolution, we doubled our yield and now we have proved that India can feed the world". But the process has limits and they may have been reached. Population, on the other hand, has continued to rise in poor parts of the world. The graph, compiled for the BBC by the UN Food and Agriculture Organization, shows that while yield per hectare has increased, the amount of land used for the major staple grains has remained fairly constant; this is because the amount of good farmland is finite. Given the shortage of land suitable for growing more food, the obvious answer would be a new Green Revolution, or another hike in yields. But this may not be possible. "The difficulty is that we are now pressing against the photosynthetic limits of plants," says the influential environmentalist Lester Brown of the Earth Policy Institute in the United States. Brown draws an analogy with human performance on the running track; "In the first modern Olympics in 1896, we were running the mile in under five minutes. By 1954, Roger Bannister had broken the four-minute mile. But now, more than half a century later, no-one is talking about a three minute mile." Lester Brown Lester Brown: We are reaching the limits of what plants can do "Plants are not that different from people in this sense", says Brown "You can get gains up to a point and then it becomes much more difficult - I don't know of any scientists who are predicting potential advances in grain yields that are comparable with those we saw in the last half century". There are other limits to the Green Revolution. Some of the poorer villagers I spoke to in rural Punjab said they had fallen into debt as they were unable to keep up with the rising cost of the inputs - fertilisers, irrigation pumps and regular fresh supplies of seed - which intensive agriculture requires. One elderly man in the village of Lehragaga, Jasram Singh, sat on an old iron bedstead in his yard and recounted the unbearable pain he had suffered when two of his sons had committed suicide. They had fallen into debt, been forced to sell their land, and felt irreconcilable shame. A local community activist, Jagdish Papra, said the case was typical of many families who had seen loved ones kill themselves because they could not keep up with the financial cost of inputs. "In the old days we practiced subsistence agriculture and we felt a sense of control," said Papra. "Now everything is more complicated and lots of people are desperately in debt." Human cost Amrita Chaudhry, an Agriculture Correspondent with The Indian Express newspaper, stood in a neat, almost manicured field of young green wheat; "The balance sheet of the Green Revolution is that, yes, we are feeding the mouths. India no longer has to ask for food aid from other nations. But the fact is we are paying a very heavy price for agriculture at this present moment." "Punjab is one of the biggest user of pesticides in India," Mr Chaudhry continued, "and they have leached into our subsoil water." "There are health costs. We have had babies born blue because they are not breathing. Some of them have mental health problems. In the south-western belt, we have entire villages where each family has at least one or two cancer cases. All this is all because of this intensive agriculture that we have been doing." In the final part of the series, I will be looking at how changing patterns of food consumption mean there are now more overweight people than hungry in the world.

u might find some of the posters / leaflets at www.projectnaad.com useful

do u wake up by 3am every morning for your amrit-vela? would u willingly give ur life & the lives of ur family & friends for the struggle for khalistan? do u check the food u eat for e144, e738, e432 & e-coli? do u reject all forms of knowledge, wisdom & intellect? do u accept eating any meat is a bujjer kurhait, even though it isn't in the akaal takht rehat (which is wrong)? if u have answered 'no' to any of the above, expect to receive a visit from ur local SRP officer. ur first infraction will result in a warning... ur second will result in u being dragged in front of 5 tbt goodsikhs from the SRP ranks & having to beg for forgiveness. if u suspect ur amritdhari friends / neighbours / family members of slacking in their rehat, please call us free on 0800-FAN-ATIC FAQ 1. i think my neighbour might be a n@ng. what should i do? do not approach them. if they try to talk to u, cover ur ears & do simran as fast as u can. but most importantly, call us... & take out fire insurance on ur house (just in case). 2. i am pregnant & i think i might not be able to keep my nitnem rehat or kacchera rehat when i go into labour. u are pregnant with a tbt goodsikh of the khalsa... how dare u slack in ur rehat!! u will be dealt with very severely by the SRP 3. will u go to the akj amrit sanchar & deal with them as they are telling ppl that keski is the 5th kakkar... which is totally against the akaal takht rehat. no. the akaal takht rehat is wrong. 4. which rehat do u police ppl using then? the rehat given by 5 tbt goodsikh members of the SRP. 5. & what rehat is that? guru gobind singh ji's rehat. 6. then how are we supposed to know if we're following the right rehat or not? if u get a visit from the SRP, ur wrong... & if u don't get a visit from us... there's a 98% ur still wrong. goodfateh the SRP stands for ekta & understanding (as long as u follow the SRP rehat)

death is an illusion

lol... i would love to take credit... but this is actually genuine!... i don't know whether to laugh or cry at it... & knowing the person who emailed it out, it's not meant to be a joke.

i got an email today about a new group being set up... all the details were attached in a word document, with a logo. i've copied & pasted the text of the document & the logo... without editing at all!! i sh!t u not!... that's what it actually said... ....................... [right:4be75cd43f]http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9093/srpsl4.jpg[/right:4be75cd43f] Dear Citizens of the Khalsa panth Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh This is a letter to tell you all that a new organisation has been set up called the “Sikh Rehat Policeâ€. We are a new self formed organisation dedicated to fight against Kaljug. Sikh Rehat Police is made up of voluntary workers and we are currently looking to recruit new and strong gursikhs with a jeevan and strong rehat so that the rest of the community may look up to them as role models and follow their example. There are a lot of flaws in today’s amritdhari community, which we aim to tackle by dealing with each situation justly and with full respect confidentiality. Any one in the force who, abuses the powers of the Sikh Rehat Police will be dealt with severely. We aim to grow the establishment of 1,000 officers in the first 6 months which will be policed a 20 mile radius from Birmingham and a population of less than 10,000 The Sikh Rehat Police Service is committed to an open and honest relationship with the panth. In that spirit, we will regularly publish detailed statistics and reports about our performance. In keeping with the desire for openness and accountability the Sikh Rehat Police publishes a range of information about its plans and about how it performs in dealing with Kaljug. Watch out, Sikh Rehat Police is about. Email all your questions to: sikhrehatpolice@hotmail.co.uk Yours Sincerely, Mr. Pringle Singh Bole So Nihaal SAT SRI AKAAL Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

the BNP in action... BNP action video true goodsikhs ready to battle without fear... completely unlike those propaganda videos made by terrorists

i found the quote about havan & yagya... but couldn't find the bit about not learning english from www.namdhari-world.com

www.naamdhariworld.com doesn't come up for me... & www.namdhariworld.com just says site under construction do u mean www.namdhari-world.com ?

please can u give the source for ur quote

He is the messiah!! tell us, oh chosen one... how shall we be damned??

once u learn to silence the screaming voices in ur head, it's surprisingly easy!

whenever there is a true spirit, an enlightened soul, a tbt goodsikh... then not far behind are the detractors... those who weren't loved as children & most likely were dropped on their heads repeatedly. they can be identified through their butt-ugly appearances, blatant lies & their undeniable stench... the stench of paapiness! forwardbackward & malwe da bakra have shown their true colours today!! their lies will not last... the truth shall be known!! if anyone has any doubts over the shakti of sant 108 sri tsingh singh ji... then i offer u undeniable proof... after reading the upsetting comments above, daas did a humble ardas to sri tsingh ji... after which as if by magic, the website www.kickoutthedusht.com no longer works!! such is the power of bhai baba sant sri 108 tsingh ji! deny him at ur peril!! after the ardas baba ji came to me in a vision & demanded that everyone matha tek to their computers whenever they see a post by Him... this is to be considered ur tirath ishnaan. sada jai sri bhai baba sant thingysingh ji!!

most of u on this forum will know of a member on here who refers to himself as tsingh. many assume this alias is due to his love of tea. others believe it is because 't' has an uncanny resemblance to the cross of crucifixion. yet others think it's because his name's tirath. we may never know the answer to such questions... it's just one of life's mysteries. now i invite u all if u please to join me as we delve into the spiritual progression of this enlightened soul... tsingh has published a book "bhavrasamrit tika"... when he first started writing the book, he was just simple tirath singh nirmala (as denoted on the cover). however by the time he reached page (x) he had become BHAI tirath singh. vah!! how amazing is that!!! as u read through the book, u can sense his aura jumping out of the pages at u... so much so that by the time u reach the back cover, u see that he's been promoted again... to BABA tirath singh! aako satnaam... sri vaheguru!! but it does not end there... oh no... i now refer u to the following link (those of a nervous disposition... or who get over-excited to easily are advised to stop reading now & lie down) http://www.sewapanthi.org/htmls/srimahant.html now tsingh has risen to the dizzying heights of... wait for it... SANT tirath singh nirmala!!! this series of promotions has happened in rapid succession... & it's only a matter of time before He achieves brahmgianidom... then it'll be satguru tirath singh... when he will enlighten the whole world with his funky japanese noise! i request the admins to create a new area on the forum for posts about the upcoming tsinghism. if u wish to become a tsinghpanthi... u must follow his 3 golden rules... 1. thou must wearath one item of clothing that is of the colour peach (the splinter group tirath kirtani jatha, tkj, believe that the original colour was pink, & that it is mandatory for both men & women) 2. thou must singeth japanese noise (those trained in classical japanese music suggest different noises are made at different times of the day) 3. thou must pondereth on stuff (this is very open to interpretation & has lead to large numbers of people pondering on how exactly to ponder... some organise large communions where they can sit down looking confused together) daas has simply spoken on what little daas knows about tsinghism. much is yet unknown about this wondrous new path, & any further information would be deeply appreciated. jai sri tsingh ji!!!

WARNING TO THE SANGAT! the ssf are a bunch of fakes! the true representatives of the khalsa panthi tyar bar tyar faujan is the BNP (beadbi nuking police)... further details can be found here http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...ighlight=#79057 they say history repeats itself... & just as the evil judean people's front tried to take credit for the hard work of the people's front of judea... so now the evil pakandi paapi ssf is attempting to undermine the pavittar BNP. FACT: if u rearrange the letters ssf & change the f to an r... u get RSS!! coincidence?... i think not! FACT: there is only one khalsa panth... & it's called BNP. daas only presents these facts to open the eyes of the sangat to the ongoing beadbi.

that's deep man! it's gonna take me a while to wrap my head around what u've said...

i think ur talking about the antahkaran

instead of 'man tu jot saroop hai'... it's 'man tu pagh & dhari hai'

were they?

"In the Satyug age Satiguru was Vasudev, the sound 'v' is the repetition of Visnu's name." Page 63 - Bhavrasamrit Tika - Tirath Singh Nirmala (2006) but then i suppose he could be wrong... he's only a nirmala!