Akaal Purakh's Sipahi Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 WJKK WJKF I was wondering if someone could please kindly post links for videos/audio of naamdhari asa di var.. Something like this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kZawBi6Am-I&NR=1 THis is from Asu Da Mela 05 and I really enjoy this style of kirtan. THanks, WJKK WJKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 damn those naamdharis rock at tabla its awesome wah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Asu da Mela is a great event with regards to the performance of many types of traditional singing and poetry styles. Events like this ensure the preservation of artistic traditions for future generations. There is unlikely to be much on the net, best thing to do is purchase the relevant Asu da mela DVD from one of the Namdhari on-line shops. Vaaran is a specialised style of singing Asa di vaar - heavily rustic and very folk based. There is a difference between vaaran and vaar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I have namdhari classic old asa di var video given to me by this premi, but i m now reluctant to put it on the internet, last time i put it on some dude took a clip of mastane sikhs dancing in namdhari darbar out of the whole asa di var and made a mockery of it on youtube.com and post it all over forums, blogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I have namdhari classic old asa di var video given to me by this premi, but i m now reluctant to put it on the internet, last time i put it on some dude took a clip of mastane sikhs dancing in namdhari darbar out of the whole asa di var and made a mockery of it on youtube.com and post it all over forums, blogs. You were the original poster of that video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Yes, i posted whole classic namdhari video hoping people will appreciate their dedication to raag vidya, didn't know some sadistic person will look for mastane sikhs dancing in the video and make mockery of them !. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehsingh Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 N30 you naive little .....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akaal Purakh's Sipahi Posted January 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Yes, i posted whole classic namdhari video hoping people will appreciate their dedication to raag vidya, didn't know some sadistic person will look for mastane sikhs dancing in the video and make mockery of them !. I would be very very grateful if you could send me the video.. You see we do this style of Asa di Var with the youth and it's great to see the experts do it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 In that case, why not go and learn from them properly - go to Bhaini Sahib.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Are sikhs allowed to asociate with naamdharis, as they have a dehdhari guru? does'nt the panj mel consist mostly of groups who've got their own Guru lineage? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehsingh Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 http://sikh-heritage.co.uk/misc/conference...Conferences.htm The following is a report which was published in 'The Tribune' of the 18th October 1934 CONFERENCE OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN GURU NANAK 20000 SIKHS GATHER IN SRI BHAINI SAHIB Sri Bhaini Sahib, Oct. 1 5 A representative conference of all sects of the Sikhs, who believe in Guru Nanak Dev and his teaching, was convened at Sri Bhaini Sahib by Namdhari Darbar, Preparations were made on a scale and no pain was spared by the convenors to make the conference a big success. A spacious Pandal with a beautiful white gateway was constructed for the purpose. It was tastefully decorated and equipped with loud speakers; Special arrangements were made for the distinguished visitors. Numbering several hundreds and a big city of camps extended all around the small village of Bhaini Sahib. Suitable arrangements were made at Ludhiana for arranging conveyance of the Intending visitors, as Bhaini Sahib, the religious seat of Namdhari Sikhs, is situated at about fifteen miles from Ludhiana and is of great historical importance being the last abode of Shri Guru Ram Singh who is regarded 12th Guru of the Sikhs by his followers and was deported by the British Government in 1872. Over 20.000 men and women joined the conference. Several kitchens were running day and night to for everybody. Besides Namdharis, Akalis Nirmalas. Udhasis. Sewa Panthis. Nihangs. Sahijdharis. Adanshahis, almost all-different sects who traced their cult from the teachings of Sri Adi-Granth Sahib responded to the invitation. Leading members of the Chief Khalsa Diwan, Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Commiftee. Shiromani Akali Dal, Central Akali Dal. Udasin Mahan Mandal, Nirmal Mahan Mandal and other responsible bodies were specially invited. PRESIDENTS' PROCESSION. The President-elect was received by members of Namdhari Darbar, and prominent Sikh leaders outside the village and was taken on foot in a big procession to the Panda!. The procession was headed by Seven Jathas of Namdharis and followed the command of Sardar Atma Singh of Rawalpindi presented added great beauty to the procession. On reaching the Pandal. Sant Inder Singh Chakrawarti explained the aims and objects of the conference after which the prominent members retired to Hari Mandar for holding the Subjects Committee meeting. Heated discussions continued for over two hours. The aims and the objects for which the conference was convened were discussed at length and everyone aftempted to praise it in his own way; Professor Jodh Singh of Chief Khalsa Diwan, Bhai Nidhan Slngh Alam Namdhari Darbar and Sant Kishan Singh of Nirmal Mahan Mandal and Sardar Dalip Slngh Vice-President. local Gurdwara Committee. Amritsar took leading part in the discussions. The aims and objects were worded as follows: "that the idea of convening the conference is to unite different sects of the Sikhs who believe in Adi Granth and Dasam Granth. The Following resolutions were passed 1. That this conference requests all sects of the Sikhs that the preaching of Gurbani be their foremost duty in their Jathas at their own seats. 2. That all preachers, missionaries, musicians. Editors and leaders should feel their responsibility and should only do constructive work and not destructive work. 3. That the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee, local Gurdwaras Parbandhak Committees and other Sikh Societies be requested they should always take fittest persons from any sect for the post of a Granthi, preacher or other responsible office-bearer and they should particularly appoint fit persons of that sect in whose possession that particular Gurdwara was before its being taken over by the Gurdwara Parbhandhak Committee. 4. That in order to save the situation from any legal technicalities and achieve, unity in the house of the Guru all pending cases relating to Gurdwara other than historical Gurdwaras filed under section 7, of the Gurdwara Act should he given up. The first sitting of the Subjects Committee was over after about 2 1/2 hours when the members attended 'the open session. Sant Inder Singh Chakarwarti, Chairman of the Reception Committee, read his address, wherein he thanked the delegates and the visitors for responding to the invitation and explained the aims and the objects for which the conference was convened. It was the genuine desire of His Holiness Maharaj Guru Partap Singh Ji, head of the Namdhari's, that are sects of the Sikhs believing in Guru Granth Sahab and Guru Nanak Dev should respect each other and remove all differences, which were damaging the Sikh cause. Party spirit among the followers of Guru Nanak was the chief cause of split This Holiness, the Bhai Sahab Bhai Arjan Singh Chief of Bagarian (photo below). President of the Conference, read his brief address in which the need for co-operation among all the sects of the Sikhs was stressed and it was pointed out that unless this was achieved any further progress was out of question. Any discussion on political question was seriously avoided. The proceedings of the first day ended after the addresses were over. Courtesy: The Tribune, 18th October 1934 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 "It was the genuine desire of His Holiness Maharaj Guru Partap Singh Ji, head of the Namdhari's, that are sects of the Sikhs believing in Guru Granth Sahab and Guru Nanak Dev should respect each other and remove all differences, which were damaging the Sikh cause." Interesting how Baba Partap Singh says those believing in Guru Granth Sahib. I have immense respect for Baba Partap Singh due to his unapologetic attempts at preserving kirtan maryada and rvaaj - but it seems that their vision of unity was more important that than the Namdhari history that 'some' Namdharis are fanatical about today to the extent that they ridicule manistream and puratan beliefs. I don't mean this out of disrespect, but do all Namdharis still believe that Baba Ram Singh will return and when is this supposed to be (date). Is it supposed after Baba Jagjeet Singh? If the prophecy isn't fullfilled will Namdharis give gur-gaddi to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji or continue with their Gur-Gaddi and revise the prophecy? Again, I ask out of general curiosity and mean no disrespect. If you don't want to say on the forum, which I believe has calmed down now and people here are more respectful to differences, then please PM me Fateh Singh ji. But these questions are in the minds of many who have interaction with Namdharis - but subjects like this are obviously sensative and difficult to approach in person without running the risk of unintentional offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehsingh Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Shaheediyan I don't know if you are misreading things here or just never knew it in the first place, but Namdharis have always believed in Guru Granths and 40 Vaars of Bhaiji's Banis as Supreme above all other Granths. Satguru Ram Singh will return to Punjab. We believe it is the Hukam of Guru Gobind Singh and it will be fulfilled. There is no question or doubt about this for any Namdhari. All our Ardaas and prayer are for his Darshan only. "If the prophecy isn't fullfilled will Namdharis give gur-gaddi to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji or continue with their Gur-Gaddi and revise the prophecy?" That is a stupid question to ask any Namdhari, sorry but I'm just answering in the same blunt manner you asked the question. We don't consider that question for a fraction of a second. I will send you a PM and let's continue there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maha Kharag Singh Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 all hell would break loose for namdharis if the gurgadhi was given (even though sache patshah is samrath gurdev) to Sri Satguru Granth Sahib Ji. I suppose it would be too much of a sharam di gall, ke pehla sau saal sache patshah nu pitth kar ke hun, ohnadi hakumat mannini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 is'nt the prophecy saying that he will return before the present Naamdhari Satguru will return to his heavenly abode? as far as i know his health had gotten worse the last few years which means that Baba Ram Singh will return soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Do Namdharis beleive that Baba Ram Singh Jee will return before the end of the current Namdhari Satguru? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 alright please refrain from going off topic on this thread, if you really wish to start discussion on namdharis. I can split this thread.? please let me know. Also akaal purkh sipahi veer, give me few days, i ll try to locate the old classic asa di var by namdharis post it on private server folder, once i upload it i ll send you the details but don't share it with any joe blow banda. Famous quote from sant maharaj ji rara sahib ji wale- bandar nuo topi duo so uno duop na lagae, bandar neh topi paar kaie sit do gaa.. such is state among youths these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Don't Naamdharis change a few words in Aasa di Vaar? Namely 'Paarey' is changed to 'Faarey' (Neel Kapr...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehsingh Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Matheen that is not only Namdharis who believe in the Sakhi of Guru Gobind Singh changing those words. Kavi Santokh Singh has clearly mentioned in Suraj Parkash that Guru Gobind Singh changed the tuk to 'Faarey'. We are merely following what we believe is Guru Gobind Singh's Hukam. Furthermore, even former head Granthi of Harimandir Sahib, Kartar Singh Kalaswalia has admitted to the same in one of his granths stating "Neele Kapparh Phaar, Chitte Kappar Paher, Guruji Guru Granth Di Tuk Ultai Utthe". So clearly it is not a "namdhari" invention. If you have a genuine point or question, feel free to pm me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehsingh Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 MHK, Strange how those who you claim have their "face" toward the Guru Granths can't even agree if meat eating is the Hukam or not. And those who have done lakhs and lakhs of Paths of Granth Sahib and actually INVENTED the Maryada of Akhand Path are being called to have their "pitth" towards the Gurbani??!! Oh well, the damn Namdharis just deserve to be insulted for whatever reason you can think of I suppose. Why not blame them for global warming too while you're at it? LOL what great knowledge you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy_saggu Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Asu da Mela is a great event with regards to the performance of many types of traditional singing and poetry styles. Events like this ensure the preservation of artistic traditions for future generations. There is unlikely to be much on the net, best thing to do is purchase the relevant Asu da mela DVD from one of the Namdhari on-line shops. Vaaran is a specialised style of singing Asa di vaar - heavily rustic and very folk based. There is a difference between vaaran and vaar. Could you recommend a site to purchase it from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Bhai Fateh Singh ji, can you elaborate on the prophesy Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave about Satguru Ram Singh returning? Did 10th Guru also say that 12th Guru will disappear for about 130 years as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I apologise for going off topic, N3O, it probably wuold be worth starting a new thread. All I would say to anyone contributing is to kindly keep your posts polite and civil. As many previous debates have shown, no one is going to change anyone elses mind, it's simply about learning another viewpoint and not ridiculing it. If good willed and polite conversations/debate (as applicable) can be had on this forum, then more intelligent people will be likely to join, contribute and share knowledge. Otherwise we will continue to see have ghost periods. It would be nice to see knowledgable members start sharing new information (and old) again for the benefit of the this sangat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Matheen that is not only Namdharis who believe in the Sakhi of Guru Gobind Singh changing those words......... Who else actually changes Bani because of a Sakhi in Sooraj Parkash, where Kavi Ji himself states that there may be many mistakes? I don't mean this to be confrontational, it is just something close to my heart. We all know what happened to Ram Rai for changing Bani. Anyway, Guru Sahib knows all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Ram Rai changed bani intentionally. Namdharis use the altertered text because they believe that it was altered by 10th Master, and that is the tradition that they are born into, and one that their Satguru condones - not one they invent individually. The 2 are clearly not comparable in my opinion. There is no one community/tradition that is 100% correct. The whole Namdhari community believe in this Sakhi which appears in a respected source (be it that it is not 100% correct), so be it. We don't have to believe it. The only thing I would be interested to know (just out of curiosity) is - how do Namdharis explain latter Saroops being prepared without the amendment - if the sakhi and Guru's words were common knowledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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