Far Right And Anti Fascist Protest In Birmingham Turns Into A Mass Brawl

[GurjantGnostic]

40 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Has it been classified as a Terrorist org by the UK authorities?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

White people aren't terrorists. They're patriots. Lol. 

[dalsingh101]

19 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Why is that? They hated us more than the Moslems?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Yeah. I think there were a mixture of reasons, like the conspicuous, 'alien' turban/kesh, the vast majority of sullay men dressed fully westernised back then. Some Sikhs pulling out shastars on them. Might also be that some Sikhs fought against their idol/inspiration Hitler? 

[paapiman]

40 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

Yeah. I think there were a mixture of reasons, like the conspicuous, 'alien' turban/kesh, the vast majority of sullay men dressed fully westernised back then. Some Sikhs pulling out shastars on them. Might also be that some Sikhs fought against their idol/inspiration Hitler? 

But, majority of the Sikhs back in the 70's and 80's were Sehajdharis right?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[dalsingh101]

16 minutes ago, paapiman said:

But, majority of the Sikhs back in the 70's and 80's were Sehajdharis right?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Nah, there were a lot more keshdharis back then. 

Fact is, some gay whites can be as racist as anyone else. 

[Premi]

3 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

They attacked a lot of Sikhs (especially their dastaars/jooras) as well as anyone else.  

They commonly felt that Sikhs were the worst ones of brown folks.  

Surprised by that, but if you say other brown people looked more 'integrated', I believe it

2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

White people aren't terrorists. They're patriots. Lol. 

Maybe the BNP and some of the other parties are 'controlled' opposition, hence allowed to operate.

1 hour ago, dalsingh101 said:

Nah, there were a lot more keshdharis back then. 

 

Seriously ? Not my understanding from what parents have told me about 70's and 80's ; I've seen photos as well and few  relatives/family friends  were keshdhari. Do you mean those who were kids or teens at the time ?

Any idea (as you grew up at the time?) whether the keshdharis were disproportionately the ones who came from Africa in 70's ?

[Premi]

@dalsingh101 a lot of the younger whites now have grown up around/with coloured people and have friends who might be half white/half ethnic or their partner is .

Especially those in urban/suburban areas. 

I know that there are some places like Dagenham that are 'volatile' and maybe  especially some places up North. 

How do you generally see the generation who are in their 30's now who are in the generation below you compared to the older generation who grew up with you ? 

And do you see any general differences in society compared to 10 years ago regarding race relations and racism ? I personally don't see much difference but I'm not really a 'street person' lol

[Premi]

4 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Point was clearly made though. The predecessors of the BNP (the National Front) were a nasty, lowly group of white supremacists with a history of attacking single targets in groups (as well as children) in the area. 

 

Heard there were rumours about him (think your article post today)

[dalsingh101]

2 hours ago, Premi said:

Surprised by that, but if you say other brown people looked more 'integrated', I believe it

Sikhs stuck out visibly. These lot hated the visual change, as well as 'olfactory' changes happening in their midst. They would go mental at the mere smell of a 'ruby murray" being cooked in a neighbourhood! lol Turbans and 'sarees' were also objects of hate. Seriously. Muslim women rarely had any hijabs on back then, whilst most Sikh girls were taught to always cover your head with a chunni and many, if not most, wore salwaar kameez even to school (funny how things change). The version of sullahism that is common today (with the visual clothing thing for men and women) didn't start emerging until the late 80s. 

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Maybe the BNP and some of the other parties are 'controlled' opposition, hence allowed to operate.

Even when they were the NF, there was serious ground level support for these guys. The police protected them from prosecution and arrest. Tories largely turned a blind eye to them, many secretly liking what they were attempting to do. Even today, their ideas have much greater support than anyone growing up post mid 90s would believe. These people didn't go away. They worked themselves in positions of power and raised their own children. They will crawl out of the crack work if they feel it is safe enough, otherwise they work from protected positions in organisations - that's why you get so many accusations of racism in workplaces. That's why it needs to be relentlessly challenged and pursued like BLM do. 

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Seriously ? Not my understanding from what parents have told me about 70's and 80's ; I've seen photos as well and few  relatives/family friends  were keshdhari. Do you mean those who were kids or teens at the time ?

Any idea (as you grew up at the time?) whether the keshdharis were disproportionately the ones who came from Africa in 70's ?

 

I think I'm talking about ratios of of keshdharis and monay, there were a higher relative amount of keshdharis then - ratio wise if you get what I'm saying. Most fathers had paghs (not all though). The African crew were heavily paghed and proud of their pointy style as more stylish than the perceived pendu Patiala one. Some younger people from nonAfrican backgrounds started to wear the african style too.  There were mainly desi's here and many had dastars, the older African lot did as well, and they were more strict about their kids having paghs - but they weren't a big number compared to the amount of desis here. 

[dalsingh101]

2 hours ago, Premi said:

@dalsingh101 a lot of the younger whites now have grown up around/with coloured people and have friends who might be half white/half ethnic or their partner is .

Especially those in urban/suburban areas. 

I know that there are some places like Dagenham that are 'volatile' and maybe  especially some places up North. 

How do you generally see the generation who are in their 30's now who are in the generation below you compared to the older generation who grew up with you ? 

And do you see any general differences in society compared to 10 years ago regarding race relations and racism ? I personally don't see much difference but I'm not really a 'street person' lol

From working in construction I'd say that many aren't overtly racist (some are though) but what they do do, is turn a consistent blind eye to subtle racism taking place under their nose. 

They still have that sense of privilege where subtle undermining of ethnics is a norm. They just aren't as overtly racist as the older lot, but they fall in line to those older lot though. And it doesn't matter if they have ethnic partners or half-ethnic relatives most of the time. 

[dalsingh101]

2 hours ago, Premi said:

Heard there were rumours about him (think your article post today)

I was talking to an old friend I was on a psychology course with well over a decade ago recently, and we were talking about a unit we did on sexual abuse, and how, when the lecturer ( a renown expert on the field) told us how common bisexuality is in the indigenous population - couldn't believe it! I believe it now. 

[dalsingh101]

16 hours ago, Premi said:

Heard there were rumours about him (think your article post today)

Look, even more coming out of the lamaari:

 

[GurjantGnostic]

20 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Nah, there were a lot more keshdharis back then. 

Fact is, some gay whites can be as racist as anyone else. 

I ran into that exact thing when on a maintenance deployment to the south. Was talking to some locals. The longer we speak I realize they're gay. And we're getting on well enough. So I transition from You know I used to work security in the gay clubs where I'm from. No, not gay, just like being around gay people and I don't like they've been targetted for hate crimes. And I figure, I'm ten toes down, why not work the clubs where hate crime might be a reality. They thought that was great. Willing to take a stand for opressed people you have no stake with. Then I hit them with the next transition. Well how can you hate black people then? Don't you have any empathy for them? And they said oh that's totally different. Gay is a lifestyle, those ******* are a different race. And get this. I know you've heard it from me before, and often from the Dasam Granth, native american, irish and black perspective right?

They tell me. No, it's not the same. Because we're not from here. We're not related to these people and it's our birthright to take everything they have. Well shoot. Where have we heard that before?

[GurjantGnostic]

I was also shown an ugly aparition someone caught on accident with their phone at a huge outdoor concert. Then once they noticed it they started videoing and got more. Never gonna unsee that. So yeah. That's real too. The photo was disturbing, seeing it move? Bro get the Kirpan out.  And I just heard a YouTube story and somebody was recounting their experience and they started talking about these apparitions that are seen at parties, usually the same ones that people are accused of being inhuman at...anyway they start describing what they saw ..and I knew how it ended before it started. Because some crazy dude in the south caught it on camera. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Between the apparition evidence and the gay racists from another planet...that was a heck of a trip. I'm not going back to the south. 

[GurjantGnostic]

2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Look, even more coming out of the lamaari:

 

I'll have the kosher double bacon cheeseburger please?

[paapiman]

19 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

They would go mental at the mere smell of a 'ruby murray" being cooked in a neighbourhood!

What's "Ruby Murray" bro?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[dalsingh101]

7 minutes ago, paapiman said:

What's "Ruby Murray" bro?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

It's slang for 'curry'. 

When people used to make a turkhaa, it would cause a lot of anger and swearing! lol!!

[paapiman]

2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I was also shown an ugly aparition someone caught on accident with their phone at a huge outdoor concert. Then once they noticed it they started videoing and got more. Never gonna unsee that. So yeah. That's real too. The photo was disturbing, seeing it move? Bro get the Kirpan out.  And I just heard a YouTube story and somebody was recounting their experience and they started talking about these apparitions that are seen at parties, usually the same ones that people are accused of being inhuman at...anyway they start describing what they saw ..and I knew how it ended before it started. Because some crazy dude in the south caught it on camera. 

Daas did not understand the above clearly. Can you please go into more details?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

9 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

It's slang for 'curry'. 

When people used to make a turkhaa, it would cause a lot of anger and swearing! lol!!

What about their food? Didn't you (and other Desis) find their food smell annoying?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[dalsingh101]

4 minutes ago, paapiman said:

What about their food? Didn't you (and other Desis) find their food smell annoying?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Our lot aren't complaining like that. But I think things like cooking saag was shocking for them. 

[GurjantGnostic]

10 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

It's slang for 'curry'. 

When people used to make a turkhaa, it would cause a lot of anger and swearing! lol!!

Dude get this right, I had an italian guy complain when I was making turkha... And he's complaining about the odor that it has produced cooking it in the Dojo right. So I asked him to start identifying the ingredients that I'm using, that I put in so far, I haven't even gotten the spices in, so far I have garlic, onion, tomato sauce etc you know...

So he looks in the pot, and he's like well I don't know, so far you just looks like you got tomato, and some garlic, onion...

I'm like you mean like marinara? Lol. 

I think it's the odor of people cooking their food that's offensive to anyone, I think it's the odor of someone else's culture that bothers people, even when that odor comes out their very same kitchen. 

And while I have found people willing to say ewe curry stinks, what they're saying is you as a person stink because of how you look I've never actually heard anyone walk by an Indian restaurant, and not want to go eat at it. Literally stand there recording audio and hear nothing but a procession of people saying damn that smells good.  The smell of Indian cooking especially to melanin deficient imperials used to eating cabbage is like a mohini drawing you in, and it has done so, so successfully, that it has taken over the restaurant business in the UK. So who is it that doesn't like the curry? 

[GurjantGnostic]

Know whose neighborhoods smell fantastic? Mexicans bro.  Their food smells amazing. And I'm pretty sure they're using the same laundry detergent I am, but you smell their dryers going, and it's... it's a whole other thing than what I'm doing somehow bro their laundry smells amazing. 

But you will hear white people say with great frequency that mexicans stink bro... while they're munching on a burrito. Wearing dirty clothes. But they'll use the phrase dirty mexican. 

[GurjantGnostic]

13 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I ran into that exact thing when on a maintenance deployment to the south. Was talking to some locals. The longer we speak I realize they're gay. And we're getting on well enough. So I transition from You know I used to work security in the gay clubs where I'm from. No, not gay, just like being around gay people and I don't like they've been targetted for hate crimes. And I figure, I'm ten toes down, why not work the clubs where hate crime might be a reality. They thought that was great. Willing to take a stand for opressed people you have no stake with. Then I hit them with the next transition. Well how can you hate black people then? Don't you have any empathy for them? And they said oh that's totally different. Gay is a lifestyle, those ******* are a different race. And get this. I know you've heard it from me before, and often from the Dasam Granth, native american, irish and black perspective right?

They tell me. No, it's not the same. Because we're not from here. We're not related to these people and it's our birthright to take everything they have. Well shoot. Where have we heard that before?

Man. Searching for Gurmat online is disheartening. The appropriators are far more vociferous albeit ignorant. 

Anyway I was trying to find the Gurbani where it is said something to the effect of wherever people gather together, and celebrate, and get intoxicated, weddings and things like this, Kalyug is there. 

[GurjantGnostic]

10 hours ago, paapiman said:

Daas did not understand the above clearly. Can you please go into more details?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

I met a guy who was intoxicated at a big outdoor music event. Partying hard. And taking photos of other people partying and smiling and you know standing next to each other with their drinks and stuff. And when he first noticed, and the first photo he showed me, was when he was taking a photo of a couple girls standing next to each other, there was a ghost, an inhuman ghost behind them bro, a crazy insect-like looking horrible clear as day ghostly apparition. 

And he didn't notice it first but a little bit later on the girls asked him to send them the photo and it's when he went to text it to them, he could clearly see what had been standing...well...floating behind them. He's intoxicated so he's like I'm going to try and find this thing some more. So he pops it on video mode and starts scanning through the crowd and sure enough he catches this thing darting in between and around people all of whom seem too intoxicated to realize that it's there while they're dancing. And right before he gets freaked out and turns the video off it looks right at him. And I've heard other people say that they've run into these things at debotched parties, and seen them. I heard a verbal account of a story on YouTube and as the person started telling it well before they got to the end, I knew exactly what they were going to tell me they saw, and when they described what it looked like, it was dead on. 

And after he got it's attention, and got scared, he was sitting there trying to ignore it, but it wasn't ignoring him, so he started filming again, and I saw several other clips of this thing getting closer to where he was, and paying him more attention, this guy was shook it had been sometime since he took those photos, but you could tell when he was showing you, that he was still viscerally affected by it. Like looking behind his shoulder when he shows you the video, nervous, sweating, it had an effect on the guy. 

 

[paapiman]

13 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

The smell of Indian cooking especially to melanin deficient imperials used to eating cabbage is like a mohini drawing you in,

HAHAHAHAHA.

The above comment is so funny.

 

Bhul chuk maaf