Namaskaar Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) I was just reading Neo's sig and its this Mangalcharan ~Puratan MangalCharan ~ Firstly meditating upon Aatam Dev Nirmal Jot, of Sat Chit Anand Svaroop Then I bow to the lotus feet of Ishtadev SatGuru Maharaj, Dasaan Patshahian di Jot Finally I offer salutations to my Gurdev/Murshid , under whose guidance. All efforts blossom forth What is the role of a Gurdev? Now to the forum users do any of you have a Gurdev who gives you guidence? What kind of guidence does he give? How did you come about meeting them? If you dont have one , do you belive in the need of one? And last but not least how do you go about finding a Gurdev? Edited February 5, 2010 by Namaskaar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anand_mangal Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 your teacher . murshid, gurdev , ustaad etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Gurdev/Murshid role is to connect jaigaso(student) from sargun saroop of vahiguroo with nirgun paratama by using gurbani vaikhiya, methods of naam jap guiding them through stages in spirituality and as well as guiding them through social issues. Gurdev/Murshid is not responsible for japping naam for yourself or just giving you most precious thing in life- bhramgyan in the ready plate. As they say, there are four types of kirpa: here are four types of kirpa (grace) one goes through in order to meet Vahiguroo- 1) first kirpa is given to human is actual human life to vichar- whats your essence? where you come from? whats your real self ? etc, that is straight given by vahiguroo. We should remember that. 2) second kirpa is kirpa of shaastar/gurbani, where gurbani an divine discourse tells us and make us understand concept about life, reality, illusion, our real self(soul/atma),mind, ignorance, reincarnations, 5 vices- anger, lust, attachment, greed, ego and much more 3) third kirpa is kirpa of a sant, kirpa of sant is important because through real sant, one can really understand deep gurbani meanings, lets just put it this way, having teacher(sant/vidya gurdev) really helps an individual to decipher the gurbani message because they make very very simple for us to understand, comprehend and act up on it with their discourses. 4) last kirpa is kirpa of their own self, if one gets all the above three kirpa that means gyan(knowledge) is there but its just a matter of acting upon it so reach the realm of bhramgyan/atamgyan not just book gyan but that knowledge which can be expereinced on each level in life, in order to have that one need to make actual effort, without one effort everything is useless. In house of guru nanak dev ji, effort(karni) is everything. enjoy!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Gurdev/Murshid role is to connect jaigaso(student) from sargun saroop of vahiguroo with nirgun paratama by using gurbani vaikhiya, methods of naam jap guiding them through stages in spirituality and as well as guiding them through social issues. Gurdev/Murshid is not responsible for japping naam for yourself or just giving you most precious thing in life- bhramgyan in the ready plate. As they say, there are four types of kirpa: here are four types of kirpa (grace) one goes through in order to meet Vahiguroo- 1) first kirpa is given to human is actual human life to vichar- whats your essence? where you come from? whats your real self ? etc, that is straight given by vahiguroo. We should remember that. 2) second kirpa is kirpa of shaastar/gurbani, where gurbani an divine discourse tells us and make us understand concept about life, reality, illusion, our real self(soul/atma),mind, ignorance, reincarnations, 5 vices- anger, lust, attachment, greed, ego and much more 3) third kirpa is kirpa of a sant, kirpa of sant is important because through real sant, one can really understand deep gurbani meanings, lets just put it this way, having teacher(sant/vidya gurdev) really helps an individual to decipher the gurbani message because they make very very simple for us to understand, comprehend and act up on it with their discourses. 4) last kirpa is kirpa of their own self, if one gets all the above three kirpa that means gyan(knowledge) is there but its just a matter of acting upon it so reach the realm of bhramgyan/atamgyan not just book gyan but that knowledge which can be expereinced on each level in life, in order to have that one need to make actual effort, without one effort everything is useless. In house of guru nanak dev ji, effort(karni) is everything. enjoy!! Interesting post Veer N30 Singh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namaskaar Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) Thank you for the reply Neo, but living in the west you dont really come across such sants that you can learn from (well i havent anyway) is this all due to karams of people? The meeting of such sants happens with his grace? Anyone want to take on a student Edited February 6, 2010 by Namaskaar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvalasingh Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Gurdev/Murshid role is to connect jaigaso(student) from sargun saroop of vahiguroo with nirgun paratama by using gurbani vaikhiya, methods of naam jap guiding them through stages in spirituality and as well as guiding them through social issues. Gurdev/Murshid is not responsible for japping naam for yourself or just giving you most precious thing in life- bhramgyan in the ready plate. As they say, there are four types of kirpa: here are four types of kirpa (grace) one goes through in order to meet Vahiguroo- 1) first kirpa is given to human is actual human life to vichar- whats your essence? where you come from? whats your real self ? etc, that is straight given by vahiguroo. We should remember that. 2) second kirpa is kirpa of shaastar/gurbani, where gurbani an divine discourse tells us and make us understand concept about life, reality, illusion, our real self(soul/atma),mind, ignorance, reincarnations, 5 vices- anger, lust, attachment, greed, ego and much more 3) third kirpa is kirpa of a sant, kirpa of sant is important because through real sant, one can really understand deep gurbani meanings, lets just put it this way, having teacher(sant/vidya gurdev) really helps an individual to decipher the gurbani message because they make very very simple for us to understand, comprehend and act up on it with their discourses. 4) last kirpa is kirpa of their own self, if one gets all the above three kirpa that means gyan(knowledge) is there but its just a matter of acting upon it so reach the realm of bhramgyan/atamgyan not just book gyan but that knowledge which can be expereinced on each level in life, in order to have that one need to make actual effort, without one effort everything is useless. In house of guru nanak dev ji, effort(karni) is everything. enjoy!! good post, what is this from? did a sant mahapursh tell you this or did you read this somewhere? please let me know! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Sant maharaj ji rara sahibwale talks about this in one of their divan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest gurmat Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Thank you for the reply Neo, but living in the west you dont really come across such sants that you can learn from (well i havent anyway) is this all due to karams of people? The meeting of such sants happens with his grace? Anyone want to take on a student Maybe you are a Sant in the west? do you own 4 houses and drive a BMX? you can also send cheque orders back to the east (India), because many Sants want to join you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 .....and drive a BMX?.... Lol! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylitol Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 lmao.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhooliya Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Guru Sri Guru Granth Sahib > Guru Granth Sahib is Shabad Guru > Shabad needs vichar > So find Vidya Guru who can give you vichar of Shabad > Once you get the Vichar, you will understand your true Guru > The journey will begin from here and it's journey > If you fall behind or simply go astray just try again > Bhai Gurdas got distracted after having wisdom of scholar > Do not feel bad if you don't get it > Keep on going > Meditate, Meditate and meditate more > Once you get to your inner self, you will be on the right track... Speaking from what I felt after reading the original question. Going back to meditation now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Thank you for the reply Neo, but living in the west you dont really come across such sants that you can learn from (well i havent anyway) is this all due to karams of people? The meeting of such sants happens with his grace? Anyone want to take on a student I'm in search of a chela. Are you any good with a charru and a 'phande mang'ing'? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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