Guest Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 ~ Ideas to have your dream Gurdwara ~ Ok now that i got everyone's attention, i want to dedicate this thread for all the sangat to post their ideas how to run the gurdwara if you were the head, in other words, what things would you implement to run an dream gurdwara of you have perceived to be an perfect model of an gurdwara? I will start off with most important thing which is maharaj darbar. 1. Guru Maharaj darbar- a). Pehradars in maharaj darbar with either small soti or barcha to ensure proper respect is paid to maharaj. eg- men/womens chatting, kids running around and crying etc. I honestly beleive these pehradars should be paid or salaried to keep consistency in their daily duties. b ). Make a small room for bibiya with cranky kids and have an audio input with glass facing the maharaj darbar so they can take laha too. c). Having an serious morning/afternoon/evening Gurmantar/Mool Mantar chanting with lights dimmed with body fully straight...chanting should be done in a way where shabad spontenous resonance is vibrating all around maharaj darbar... i am not a fan of high speed simran - sorry. d). Golak for maya should be downstairs, only offering in maharaj darbar should be flowers/shastars/different types of incense for sachkhand darbar and fruit/anaj(wheat/rice/milk etc for langar). Reason for golak should be downstairs - who are we offer maya infront to maharaj..we are beggers..we should fullfill our daswanad in galok downstairs in the langar hall. e) Sachkhand room is already perfect in most gurdwaras, just small additions nishani of royalty for maharaj i.e- diamond malas, shastars in miyan with gurbani written on it e). There should be criteria (course on sikh theology/sikh mysticism/sikh history/gurbani) to be an Kathavachak/Kirtanis/Dhadivaar and after passing the course, they should be paid to overcome poltics within kathavachak/kirtanis circle (how come i get less time, he get more time, how come he gets more charva and i don't). I am not suggesting they should get paid for all of it..if kathavachik/kirtanis/dhadivaars is doing duty for 2 hrs, he should be getting paid 1 and other one is form of seva which he needs to fullfill in maharaj darbar. f). All the politicans mps/vips should do their baashan(speeches) downstairs 2nd floor in seminar room/inter faith/conference room/presenation room. Maharaj Darbar should be only for patt/kirtan/katha/dhadi varans. Optional - Lotus is very symbolic. I always wondered about this, it will look extremely beautiful to have guru maharaj parkash on huge customized lotus flower made out of gulab tile. Even though i think it would be great idea, i m reluctant to share that idea with anyone in real life because they may think its beadi as it would replace palki sahib. i m bit confused on this, what you guys think? Does that break maryada in anyway? 2. Gurdwara Structure (addition to what's already there in gudwara) a) GYM in the last floor beside langar langar along with offices/guest rooms to stay. Activities like yoga, gym, kusti, dand bhataka, gatka can be held in the gym. B ). Large hall dedicated to Sikh History/relics of maharaj ( Guru maharaj histories/Saints/Soldiers/Scholards contributions, sikh war history, sikhs in 20th century) all should be representated into pictorial form (sometimes picture have amazing effect on person than words because of beginners surti of this jev). This should be in 2nd floor along with seminar room/conference room/inter-faith room. c) Another large hall dedicated to sikh manuscripts (this hall should be at the same level at maharaj's darbar) as we are dealing with priceless sikh manuscripts (old and new), caligraphic items with gurbani written on it. d) Sikh Research Center(2nd floor), which should be sikh library along with computer lab for youth singhs to do research on gurmat, make presentations to present in either maharaj's darbar or seminar's darbar. e) Master room sizes room for classes for punjabi/turban typing in 2nd floor f) Gurdwara should be built with huge property surronding developements of garden, senior homes/ multiple permanent huge tents for family akhand patts/anand karaj- same protocol should be followed of main maharaj's darbar. g) Elevators should be there for elders 3. Langar Hall a) Golak should be there B ). Perhadards should be there full time and should be paid. c) Main langar as in (afternoon and evening ) should be distrubted after the sampati and ardas with mool mantar patt and jaikara followed by it. d) Small snacks - samosas, pokariaies, sweets, cold drinks can be vartah all the time to keep maintaing 24/7 concept of langar. d) Everyone in langar hall contribute to the seva first to organize langar for sangat prior to sampati. e) Mid size rooms near langar for people who like to yap away. f) Everyone should be allowed to do seva of langar monaie/amritdhari alike together to like we are already doing. 4. Gurdwara committe structure a) Committe members should be all keshadhar/amritdhari (can follow samparda/jatha maryada but should advocate panthic maryada when speaking to sangat), and should be part of panj pyares appointed by sri akaal takth sahib jathedar(may be too far fetched) with meeting of other takth sahiban and samparda's. B ). Gurdwara Committe should have web centeralized database to report to Sri Akaal takth sahib as form of communciation and providing additional funding and this should be also used to acknowledge and enforcing the edicts and hakumnamas. c) Gurdwara committe should have khajan ji (which they already have) but also should have another body to do audits and oversee the fianicies d) Gurdwara committe should have army of Public relations/Media relations singhs/singhanis..this is extermely important from holding seminars to presentations to speaking to media to holding inter faith sessions. e.) All the gurdwara committe members and sevadards should be paid in a sense not salaried but percentage of full gurdwara revenue per year. This decision should be carefully made by jathedards of five takth sahiban we have. f) Gurdwara committe members should be transparent as neera jal(crystal clear water) when it comes to year end income, mortages payments, cost, percentage going to their pocket to win confidence of the sangat. Please share your own ideas...!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zulu Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I think Gurdwarreh MUST have a Pehradar to look after the gurdwara at night etc. N30, I know you aren't from the UK, but to all UK sangat, what do you guys think of southall? We have over 8 gurdwareh within a 1 mile radius!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.Kaur Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 I think the most important thing about a Gurdwara committee is that we should have Sevadars who practice what they preach, and not pakhandis who don't follow what they tell others to. Regarding langar, there are always discussions in the Gurdware about mone/monian allowed to make langar or not. In some Gurdware it's only Amritdharis who keep bibek or sarabloh bibek who can make langar, and others can do the dishes, clean the kitchen etc. I don't mind mone/moniah making langar. Personally the most important thing for me is hygiene, that means everyone should wash their hands (with soap! Water is not enough) before they start cooking and every time they touch phones or other things with many bacteria in/on. Women (and men) should not have rings on their hands (there are so many bacteria on the rings, imagine them gunning an atta with rings on their hands, yummy). Basically hygiene is very important to me. Bhul chuk muaff karni if I said anything wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parchand Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Lot of nice ideas & potential improvements for the next generation to think about.. N30 i like that Lotus idea. it reminded me of Maharaja Ranjit Singh's throne: The golden throne belonged to Maharaja Ranjit Singh, who was crowned Maharaja on 12 April 1801 in what is modern day Pakistan. The throne is octagonal in shape and covered in gold with a lotus flower pattern on the base. The lotus flower is a symbol of purity, blossoming out of muddy water. The lotus flower also signifies the king’s connection to the divine. It shows the splendour of Ranjit Singh's court and is decorated with richly worked sheets of gold. The distinctive cusped base of this throne is composed of two tiers of lotus petals. The lotus is a symbol of purity and creation and has traditionally been used as a seat or throne for Hindu gods. However, the octagonal (eight-sided) shape of the throne is based on courtly furniture of the Mughals. Their many-sided furniture provided models for thrones, footstools and tables throughout northern India. It is thought that as the Maharaja was renowned for the simplicity of his appearance and dislike of ceremony he rarely sat on this throne, preferring to sit cross-legged on carpets. V&A museum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Some real nice ideas out there NeoSingh. If you had the choice, would you still include library/gym in gurdwara building or build them in compound around the main Darbar? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 b ). Make a small room for bibiya with cranky kids and have an audio input with glass facing the maharaj darbar so they can take laha too. I was thinking of making a room with Sikh videos, games, etc where children could learn but your idea is also a nice one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 wow! i havent seen this topic before but i was thinking this same question myself at work today. not in the same detail as neo Bhaji, (as i actually have to concentrate on my job unlike him) but i was thinking of having saroop of Sri Dasam Patshahs Granth as well, with a blue nishan sahib chola, and for raggara to be done every day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 wow! i havent seen this topic before but i was thinking this same question myself at work today. not in the same detail as neo Bhaji, (as i actually have to concentrate on my job unlike him) but i was thinking of having saroop of Sri Dasam Patshahs Granth as well, with a blue nishan sahib chola, and for raggara to be done every day. Excellent ....i'll be there doing sangat twice daily and taking Lahaa from sadh sangat. BTW what time will raggra be distributed? so that I can attend at the appropriate times for the most lahaah. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 wow! i havent seen this topic before but i was thinking this same question myself at work today. not in the same detail as neo Bhaji, (as i actually have to concentrate on my job unlike him) but i was thinking of having saroop of Sri Dasam Patshahs Granth as well, with a blue nishan sahib chola, and for raggara to be done every day. Chatanga, that will be wicked. Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Maharaj on next palki next to sri guru granth sahib maharaj just like hazoor sahib...you like the lotus idea made out of lotus tile ?? :D...and ragra... umm No more than 5 leafs you guys..lol!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.Kaur Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 What is raggara? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 sukh nidhaaan ! this is the 'bIG Bull' of the nihang singhs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 What is raggara? Its a homemade multi-vitamin and mineral formula. Beats the synthetic stuff from Holland and Barratts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.Kaur Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) You guys are funny. What does it consist of? I visited Gurdvara Harianbelan 4 years ago. I took this picture of some Nihang Singh's there, could someone tell me just by looking at the picture if they are making Sukh-Nidhaan? https://picasaweb.google.com/GurjeetK84/Punjab2007#5135346375472560882 Edited July 20, 2011 by G.Kaur 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Neo, if you were given an Island with about 25 acres, what would you build in it? I would make it a mini Sikh Kingdom, offering spiritual tourism etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 small study groups of sikh heritage - manuscripts, arts, litterature etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Let me start another thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylitol Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 no more elections, no more committees. have the gurdwara run by punj pyare, all of high spiritual jeevan, amritvela, and proper moral character. most good changes never get implemented due to fear of losing votes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 bhaa ji lakhkha di gal kiti ye ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 you like the lotus idea made out of lotus tile ?? yes the lotus idea is very symbolic, very good, but palki's are not essential in gurdwaras. ive seen many without and i prefer it that way, as palki causes obstruction in darshan of Guru Ji when sitting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 and another thing the ideal gurdwara would have would some acre's of green fields, and stables with horses, so the Sikhs could again learn to ride horses. Also an archery range, would be good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I would have indoctrination camps set up to 're-educate' PanjabisSikhs/Indians on: 1. How to form orderly queues and not push to the front. The number of times I had 'pregnant' guys (and women) stood behind me press their bellies against me!!! What a strange fetish!!! 2. Not to litter their own country, nor dispose of refuse/waste in the streets or outside their own house walls. Also not to use the front of their homes or street as a sewer. Then have the gaul to call earth Dharti Mata. 3. To cover their mouths/nose when coughing or sneezing. Do they still not realise that they spread disease this way? Then they end up going to some old baba asking for 'tandrusti'. 4. To eat less and excercise more. Looking like a pot bellied pig does not mean you look healthy. And walking from place to place does not imply that you are unable to afford a vehicle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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