Popular Post paapiman Posted September 24, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 According to Sri Zafarnama Sahib jee, an army of 1 million (10 Lacs) attacked the Singhs. Quoteਗੁਰਸਨਹ ਚਿਹ ਕਾਰੇ ਚਿਹਲ ਨਰ ॥ ਕਿ ਦਹ ਲਕ ਬਰਾਯਦ ਬਰੋ ਬੇਖ਼ਬਰ ॥੧੯॥गुरसनह चिह कारे चिहल नर ॥ कि दह लक बरायद बरो बेख़बर ॥१९॥How could forty famished persons fight in the battlefield, on whom ten lakh soldiers made a sudden attack.19.Unquote [1][1] - http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=2265 Are there any other historical sources which state the numbers?Bhul chuk maaf 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Koi Posted September 24, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Kavi raaj Bhai Santokh Singh Ji refers to "Ik Nau Lakh", which can be taken two ways.One is that 1 + 9 = 10, so 10 lakh.The second way is 1 and 9 gives 19 lakh. 10 lakh mughal fauj and 9 lakh pahari kings armies plus the many mercenaries, robbers, looters, plunderers and hit men types. Either way, there was 10 lakh fauj.Many maha purkh in their Kathy also verify this (Sant Baba Waryam Singh Ji etc.).For me, all this is proof enough and this is the truth.Questioning this is the beginning of an already slippery slope, where we question all of the kauthaks of Guru Sahib Ji. Saavdhaan. Edited September 24, 2015 by Koi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Look at translation II (a letter sent to Wazir Khan himself) on page 107 (scribd page number, not the book). https://www.scribd.com/doc/207378044/Sikh-History-From-Persian-Sources Edited September 24, 2015 by dalsingh101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) The above order explicitly mentions Wazir Khan's previous communication referencing 700 cavalry and a park of artillery being sent. If we add on some extra hanger-ons we are looking at odds of about 20 to one, which is no minor thing in itself. Edited September 24, 2015 by dalsingh101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Yes, but there is no mention of the army sent from Delhi, or the pahari kings. These too need to be taken in to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Even then, drawing a conclusion of a million being sent against 40 is demented. By the looks of the order, Delhi didn't know about this event until Wazir Khan informed them of it, so it doesn't look like they sent anyone at that stage. The attachment that I posted is actually a confirmation from Delhi that they got the information about the event from Wazir Khan. Read it: it says (right at the beginning) that a letter has been received (at the Moghul darbarr in Delhi) and then it goes on to detail some of the contents of this letter. Plus I know most of us here would wet our pants at having to deal with 5 to one odds in a kill or be killed situation, so stop playing down the fact that even as it stands (without the 'millions'), those Singhs showed some serious heart. Plus think, for God's sake. Do you think it would be possible for anyone to fight their way through a cordon of a million people like some people did! Duuhhhh!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 The above order explicitly mentions Wazir Khan's previous communication referencing 700 cavalry and a park of artillery being sent. If we add on some extra hanger-ons we are looking at odds of about 20 to one, which is no minor thing in itself. QuoteThe news had also reached that a large contingent was coming to reinforce the imperial army already in action.Unquote [1][1] - Guru Gobind Singh Re-Told Those 700 people were reinforcements. Are there any other historical sources, that mention about numbers?Why would Satguru jee mention 1 milllion in Gurbani, if their numbers were in thousands? Maharaaj could have used the term "Hazaar" (thousand) instead of "Lak". Even the word "Hazaar" is a Farsi word. Maharaaj would never exaggerate the numbers or provide incorrect information. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OnPathToSikhi Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Do you think it would be possible for anyone to fight their way through a cordon of a million people like some people did! Duuhhhh!! lol What makes you think otherwise? You seem to be rationalizing from a battle warriors perspective. We are taking about 'Saint Soldiers' here not your typical 'brave soldiers'. These were the Singhs who had conquered death ... without ego. Perhaps not something that our puny boxed minds can comprehend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Koi Posted September 25, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Of course the Guru and Guru Khalsa can fight 1 million! No doubt about it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Im going to close this topic. Please insert all posts into the other thread on the number of enemy forces.www.sikhawareness.com/topic/17091-number-of-enemy-forces-at-the-battle-of-chamkaur/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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