Tug of war between two sikh regiments 1894

[kdsingh80]

How tough those Sikhs were. For a game they died and let their skin ripped apart from soles

[paapiman]

Bro, what's the source?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[kdsingh80]

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Amarpal Sidhu

June 26 at 8:40pm

Just going through Nigel Collett's book at the moment. Interesting anecdote of a longish and pretty brutal tug of war contest between the 29th Punjabis and the 14th Sikhs in 1889, Peshawar.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/sikhmilitaryhistoryforum/

 

[paapiman]

Thanks Paaji. Good find.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Premi]

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@dalsingh101 have you read the book (The Butcher of Amritsar) ?

[dalsingh101]

On 3/10/2022 at 3:55 PM, Premi said:

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@dalsingh101 have you read the book (The Butcher of Amritsar) ?

Don't think so. 

[Sajjan_Thug]

On 6/28/2016 at 5:39 AM, kdsingh80 said:

How tough those Sikhs were. For a game they died and let their skin ripped apart from soles

Waheguru Ji

It also shows how Sikhs will fight and complete for useless games/tamasha but not for what really matters and what's going to help Sikhs in the long run. Waheguru Waheguru

[dalsingh101]

2 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Waheguru Ji

It also shows how Sikhs will fight and complete for useless games/tamasha but not for what really matters and what's going to help Sikhs in the long run. Waheguru Waheguru

I was saying on another forum, to all those Sikhs who promote the apnay that fought under british colonialism in europe, it's a shame they don't realise that these 'Sikh soldiers' should have been more focused on protecting their own community and keeping abreast of developments in Panjab instead of fighting in far off lands for feringhee causes- if so, we might not have had the biggest genocide our people have ever faced (estimated at about half a million) and the mass rapes and kidnappings that followed at partition.

We can never let that off-point mentality become dominant in our panth again.  

[paapiman]

On 3/23/2022 at 8:33 AM, dalsingh101 said:

I was saying on another forum, to all those Sikhs who promote the apnay that fought under british colonialism in europe, it's a shame they don't realise that these 'Sikh soldiers' should have been more focused on protecting their own community and keeping abreast of developments in Panjab instead of fighting in far off lands for feringhee causes- if so, we might not have had the biggest genocide our people have ever faced (estimated at about half a million) and the mass rapes and kidnappings that followed at partition.

We can never let that off-point mentality become dominant in our panth again.  

Also, please don't forget the famines during the British times, which killed tens of millions of innocent people in British India.

Do they teach you about those Famines in British India in your schools?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[dalsingh101]

13 hours ago, paapiman said:

Also, please don't forget the famines during the British times, which killed tens of millions of innocent people in British India.

Do they teach you about those Famines in British India in your schools?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Not when I was at school (a while ago). Plus remember, some of those responsible for the famines (i.e. Churchill) are considered national heroes by many (most?)

[Sajjan_Thug]

On 3/23/2022 at 5:33 AM, dalsingh101 said:

I was saying on another forum, to all those Sikhs who promote the apnay that fought under british colonialism in europe, it's a shame they don't realise that these 'Sikh soldiers' should have been more focused on protecting their own community

And have all this been systematically studied by apney political theorists on why and how it happened? And what steps are needed to make sure it doesn't happen again?

and keeping abreast of developments in Panjab instead of fighting in far off lands for feringhee causes-

But isnt that happening today with apney going all over the world and helping develop other countries and their economies at the expense of our own?

if so, we might not have had the biggest genocide our people have ever faced (estimated at about half a million) and the mass rapes and kidnappings that followed at partition.

We can never let that off-point mentality become dominant in our panth again.  

It might keep on happening over and over again to us  because there is a famous quote 

"Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

If we take four disastrous events in history like 
Vadda Ghallughara
Chhota Ghallughara
Colonialism 
Partition

How many books have been published on these events in the last 50 years?  Wheather academic or from sampradee? Not much! You think by now there would be volume after volume of serious academic works people all around the world would refer to and teach in universities and include in world history but hardly anyone knows about these events.

You know who has done the writing of these events the most it's the western scholars who are writing from their own perspective and using their own theories and framework on us. 

Pretty much their writing our own history according to them.

Our opposition has done more research then us.
Even most of the books you have quoted from on the colonial period is written by western scholars. Why do you think our Sampradees and scholars have not written on these topics and made it part of academic and sampradee education?

Every year there should be a new book on these events with new research to keep the memory alive. 
 

Waheguru Ji

Dalsingh101 said:

I was saying on another forum, to all those Sikhs who promote the apnay that fought under british colonialism in europe, it's a shame they don't realise that these 'Sikh soldiers' should have been more focused on protecting their own community

And have all this been systematically studied by apney political theorists on why and how it happened? And what steps are needed to make sure it doesn't happen again?

and keeping abreast of developments in Panjab instead of fighting in far off lands for feringhee causes-

But isnt that happening today with apney going all over the world and helping develop other countries and their economies at the expense of our own?

if so, we might not have had the biggest genocide our people have ever faced (estimated at about half a million) and the mass rapes and kidnappings that followed at partition.

We can never let that off-point mentality become dominant in our panth again.  

It might keep on happening over and over again to us  because there is a famous quote 

"Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

If we take four disastrous events in history like 
Vadda Ghallughara
Chhota Ghallughara
Colonialism 
Partition

How many books have been published on these events in the last 50 years?  Wheather academic or from sampradee? Not much! You think by now there would be volume after volume of serious academic works people all around the world would refer to and teach in universities and include in world history but hardly anyone knows about these events.

You know who has done the writing of these events the most it's the western scholars who are writing from their own perspective and using their own theories and framework on us. 

Pretty much their writing our own history according to them.

Our opposition has done more research then us.
Even most of the books you have quoted from on the colonial period is written by western scholars. Why do you think our Sampradees and scholars have not written on these topics and made it part of academic and sampradee education?

Every year there should be a new book on these events with new research to keep the memory alive. 

[Sajjan_Thug]

19 hours ago, paapiman said:

Also, please don't forget the famines during the British times, which killed tens of millions of innocent people in British India.

Do they teach you about those Famines in British India in your schools?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Waheguru Ji

Have all this been documented and studied by apney scholars or do we have to rely on western scholars?  And do you know any books about this in punjabi or you got the information from western sources?

Do they even teach this in India where all this took place?

[paapiman]

10 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Do they even teach this in India where all this took place?

Most likely, it (the famines) is part of school History books in India.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[dalsingh101]

17 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

And have all this been systematically studied by apney political theorists on why and how it happened? And what steps are needed to make sure it doesn't happen again?

 

17 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

But isnt that happening today with apney going all over the world and helping develop other countries and their economies at the expense of our own?

 

17 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

How many books have been published on these events in the last 50 years?  Wheather academic or from sampradee? Not much! You think by now there would be volume after volume of serious academic works people all around the world would refer to and teach in universities and include in world history but hardly anyone knows about these events.

You know who has done the writing of these events the most it's the western scholars who are writing from their own perspective and using their own theories and framework on us. 

Pretty much their writing our own history according to them.

Our opposition has done more research then us.
Even most of the books you have quoted from on the colonial period is written by western scholars. Why do you think our Sampradees and scholars have not written on these topics and made it part of academic and sampradee education?

Every year there should be a new book on these events with new research to keep the memory alive. 

We have a lot of maturing and growing up to do as a panth I think. Right now, I believe that what you wrote above is the result of provincial thinking. If you've been around enough ahhm apnay, you should know how they generally think. They are very shrewd when it comes to immediate survival, but generally they have little to zero reflective and analysis capabilities when it comes to geopolitics. We can see with how they bhangra-paa at every opportunity. The failure to do higher level strategic analysis is probably cultural?