Did humans actually evolve from apes (Darwin's theory of evolution) according to sikhism?

[tva prasad]

what does SGGSJM, various sikh scriptures, sikh scholars, brahmgianis (sant jarnail singh ji, sant gurbachan singh ji, etc.), etc. say about darwin's theory of evolution? Is it true? If not what is the truth about human existence? Plz shed some light on this.

[tva prasad]

Anything from Hindu scriptures is just as much appreciated

Thanx

[paapiman]

10 hours ago, tva prasad said:

Anything from Hindu scriptures is just as much appreciated

Thanx

There were Vanars (half monkey half men) in Treta jug. Sri Hanumaan jee was also a Vanar. There might be some connection.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[tva prasad]

Just now, paapiman said:

There were Vanars (half monkey half men) in Treta jug. Sri Hanumaan jee was also a Vanar. There might be some connection.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

but wasn't that the curse. Brahma's son cursed Vishnu when he asked to burrow vishnu's appearance and was later humiliated when he found out he looked like a monkey. Then he cursed Vishnu and said you will have companions that will look like monkeys (hanumaan ji, etc.).- this was when Vishnu took avtar as Ram in treta jug

[paapiman]

7 hours ago, tva prasad said:

but wasn't that the curse. Brahma's son cursed Vishnu when he asked to burrow vishnu's appearance and was later humiliated when he found out he looked like a monkey. Then he cursed Vishnu and said you will have companions that will look like monkeys (hanumaan ji, etc.).- this was when Vishnu took avtar as Ram in treta jug

The above sakhi is true too. It was the Vanar Jaati that assisted Sri Ram Chandar jee in his battle.

The question is - What happened to the Vanar Jaati? Did they evolve into full humans?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

The story of Adam and Eve is also accepted in Sikhism.

Adam is Shivjee and Eve is Mata Parbhati jee. They are the same persons, but just known by different names by different people.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Kira]

We didn't evolve from apes according to Darwin's Theory. Apes and Humans had a common ancestor.

[tva prasad]

Just now, Kira said:

We didn't evolve from apes according to Darwin's Theory. Apes and Humans had a common ancestor.

well I called it an ape cause I couldn't remember the name of the monkey-thing.

[tva prasad]

On ‎25‎/‎09‎/‎2016 at 8:53 PM, paapiman said:

The story of Adam and Eve is also accepted in Sikhism.

Adam is Shivjee and Eve is Mata Parbhati jee. They are the same persons, but just known by different names by different people.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

would u kindly explain the relationship of the Adam and eve stories and topic to this fool. Thanx, bro.

[tva prasad]

On ‎25‎/‎09‎/‎2016 at 8:44 PM, paapiman said:

The above sakhi is true too. It was the Vanar Jaati that assisted Sri Ram Chandar jee in his battle.

The question is - What happened to the Vanar Jaati? Did they evolve into full humans?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

there might b a link. Some people believe that in the coming millions of years humans r gonna evolve more what is ur understanding of that?

[paapiman]

6 hours ago, tva prasad said:

would u kindly explain the relationship of the Adam and eve stories and topic to this fool. Thanx, bro.

The story of Adam and Eve is related to the first human existence on this planet.

 

On 9/23/2016 at 11:39 PM, tva prasad said:

If not what is the truth about human existence? 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

On 9/25/2016 at 7:38 PM, Kira said:

We didn't evolve from apes according to Darwin's Theory. Apes and Humans had a common ancestor.

Are you sure bro? So what does the Darwin theory say about humans? How did the first human form?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Kira]

On 27/09/2016 at 11:44 AM, paapiman said:

Are you sure bro? So what does the Darwin theory say about humans? How did the first human form?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Yes I'm sure Humans evolved from a common ancestor of apes and primates, how they formed is still being investigated but one would assume its due to natural selection and evolution playing a part? the missing link is still being looked into. 

[tva prasad]

Just now, Kira said:

Yes I'm sure Humans evolved from a common ancestor of apes and primates, how they formed is still being investigated but one would assume its due to natural selection and evolution playing a part? the missing link is still being looked into. 

the ancestor has a long name. So u believe Darwin's theory of evolution to be true? They also found Lucy's (first human) skeleton. I think there might be some references in Sikh scriptures and Hindu scriptures.

[Lucky]

Darwin's, and the whole ape to man theories make it seem that we are a Coincidental product of evolution. That by chance or some law of outcomes we have ended up to mankind civilisation.

I think that gurbani makes it pretty clear for me that we are a Deliberate (not coincidental) product of God's creation. The human janam, the male/female. the karams, the lekha, etc..are all deliberate products from and for the Mann(mind)

Gurbani says..

ਗਉੜੀ  ਮਹਲਾ  ੧  ॥
Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 1.
Gauree, First Mehl:

ਜਾਤੋ  ਜਾਇ  ਕਹਾ  ਤੇ  ਆਵੈ  ॥
Jāṯo jā▫e kahā ṯe āvai.
How can we know where we came from?

ਕਹ  ਉਪਜੈ  ਕਹ  ਜਾਇ  ਸਮਾਵੈ  ॥
Kah upjai kah jā▫e samāvai.
Where did we originate, and where will we go and merge?

ਕਿਉ  ਬਾਧਿਓ  ਕਿਉ  ਮੁਕਤੀ  ਪਾਵੈ  ॥
Ki▫o bāḏẖi▫o ki▫o mukṯī pāvai.
How are we bound, and how do we obtain liberation?

ਕਿਉ  ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ  ਸਹਜਿ  ਸਮਾਵੈ  ॥੧॥
Ki▫o abẖināsī sahj samāvai. ||1||
How do we merge with intuitive ease into the Eternal, Imperishable Lord? ||1||

ਨਾਮੁ  ਰਿਦੈ  ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ  ਮੁਖਿ  ਨਾਮੁ  ॥
Nām riḏai amriṯ mukẖ nām.
With the Naam in the heart and the Ambrosial Naam on our lips,

ਨਰਹਰ  ਨਾਮੁ  ਨਰਹਰ  ਨਿਹਕਾਮੁ  ॥੧॥  ਰਹਾਉ  ॥
Narhar nām narhar nihkām. ||1|| rahā▫o.
through the Name of the Lord, we rise above desire, like the Lord. ||1||Pause||

ਸਹਜੇ  ਆਵੈ  ਸਹਜੇ  ਜਾਇ  ॥
Sėhje āvai sėhje jā▫e.
With intuitive ease we come, and with intuitive ease we depart.

ਮਨ  ਤੇ  ਉਪਜੈ  ਮਨ  ਮਾਹਿ  ਸਮਾਇ  ॥
Man ṯe upjai man māhi samā▫e.
From the mind we originate, and into the mind we are absorbed.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ  ਮੁਕਤੋ  ਬੰਧੁ  ਨ  ਪਾਇ  ॥
Gurmukẖ mukṯo banḏẖ na pā▫e.
As Gurmukh, we are liberated, and are not bound.

ਸਬਦੁ  ਬੀਚਾਰਿ  ਛੁਟੈ  ਹਰਿ  ਨਾਇ  ॥੨॥
Sabaḏ bīcẖār cẖẖutai har nā▫e. ||2||
Contemplating the Word of the Shabad, we are emancipated through the Name of the Lord. ||2||

 

I hope you can see what I'm trying to say here.

Gurbani tells us: this janam is the ONE opportunity to merge directly with Akaal Purakh. Lakh chaurasi life forms have already been experienced by this mann and now we have an opportunity to get naam and break free. This is the janam, where combined with karam and gyan indries, intellect, brain and the huge learning capacity...we have the abilty to truly "Sacrifice" the dressed up mann to Waheguru..  I've come to personally believe that Akaal Purakh created this environment for the Mann that exists with Male and female aspects,.. and this life is not by chance, we have been through lakh chaurasi and we've begged for his darshan. Now, he gives us the chance, but we still blow it!!

 

 

 

 

[Guest Wake Up]

If it were a matter of simple evolution then this is something to ponder:

Out of millions of diverse species on the planet, some of which have existed for far longer in earths history than humans, yet not a single other species has evolved beyond instinct. There is something which makes humans unique in brain capacity and ability to think and reason and advance. Why are no other animals walking around with mobiles, taking an uber to the office? Think about it, alligators and crocs have been around far longer than we have and yet they still swim in swamps with brains the sizes of peas. 

But yet, we still share over 90% similar DNA to every other species on the planet. So physically we ARE related. So what happened to make us different?

(by the way scientists narrow it down to one thing we possess that enabled us to advance beyond basic interaction with others of our species and this one thing is what set everything in motion - language, the ability to communicate and express our thoughts and that in turn allows us to work together to realize thoughts.

So who / what have us the ability for higher communication?

It can't be chance because there are millions of species which have come and gone and still exist today. At least ONE other would have evolved this same ability by chance. 

So while our bodies are the result of evolution (and there were several other distinct humanoid forms like astralopithicine, neanderthal etc) but something divine happened which allowed our one and only species line to advance in ways that no other animal species can. And for all our knowledge in science we can't reproduce the same change in any other species. 

 

[paapiman]

7 hours ago, tva prasad said:

the ancestor has a long name. So u believe Darwin's theory of evolution to be true? They also found Lucy's (first human) skeleton. I think there might be some references in Sikh scriptures and Hindu scriptures.

Who is Lucy?

[paapiman]

On 9/27/2016 at 0:42 AM, tva prasad said:

there might b a link. Some people believe that in the coming millions of years humans r gonna evolve more what is ur understanding of that?

It is very much possible. Modern food processing techniques and medication might play a huge role in changing the future of the human body.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[BhagatSingh]

On 2016-09-24 at 3:27 PM, paapiman said:

There were Vanars (half monkey half men) in Treta jug. Sri Hanumaan jee was also a Vanar. There might be some connection.

Bhul chuk maaf

I don't think this is the case. It is possible India had early men-ape like creatures since India was a rich and diverse continent, species-wise.

But I don't think the Vanars from Ramayan are those ape-men. I think they might have been tribal peoples living in forests. Vanar is Van - Nar is Forest - Man.

Also the early ape-to-man transitional creatures did not have tails. Apes don't have tails.

To be fair, there could be a connection. Since it is difficult to pin down the events of Ramayan on the timeline, it maybe so that the Ramayan happened when there were other human species still around, some of whom resembled apes.

But then how would you explain characters like Jambwant?

 

@amardeep , you had the theory about the tribal insignias. Where each tribe had a certain animal as their symbol. you wana pitch in?

I think it makes sense that certain tribes would have the lemur symbol. Others had the sloth bear symbol - ie the tribe of Jambwant. So later as the story was retold over and over, those tribes were represented by the animals as it made for more a interesting story.

[tva prasad]

3 hours ago, paapiman said:

Who is Lucy?

according to scientists she is the first human. Her skeleton was found and is said to be 3.2 million years old (age of skeleton). The skeleton is only 40 percent complete.

[Xylitol]

we did not evolve from apes. 

 

also, not too long ago, scientists found a humanoid skeleton that was so old they concluded that humans cannot have evolved from apes, but instead evolved from other humanoid ancestors. you won't hear much about this b/c many scientists promoting evolution are nastiks and use it to attack christianity. they hold numerous aspects of it that re meant to be theoretical as if they are fact. not a very scientific approach. 

[BhagatSingh]

3 hours ago, Xylitol said:

we did not evolve from apes.

also, not too long ago, scientists found a humanoid skeleton that was so old they concluded that humans cannot have evolved from apes, but instead evolved from other humanoid ancestors. you won't hear much about this b/c many scientists promoting evolution are nastiks and use it to attack christianity. they hold numerous aspects of it that re meant to be theoretical as if they are fact. not a very scientific approach. 

So who did we evolve from in your opinion?

[paapiman]

From Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee:

Quote

The Guru states -

“When the Formless God effected the expansion of the Universe by uttering a WORD, He created the Earth. At the onset He created the Matter of five elements (Maya), from it a most beautiful and powerful king named Kalsain (god Vishnu) emerged. The second king produced was Kalkait (god Brahma) and the third Koorrbaras (god Shiva). The Fourth was Kaldhuj (Mahavishnu), from Whom the whole creation emerged. God has thousands of beautiful eyes and thousands of lovely feet. He has enthroned Himself on the bed cushion of multi-headed Hydra Serpent and He is remembered by the people, the One seated on the coiled body of Hydra Serpent. God extracted wax from one of His ears, from which Madh and Kitab were produced. He then extracted wax from the other ear, from which this Universe was created. He then caused Madh and Kitab to be killed. Their body fluids were thrown into the ocean. The gluey and oily matter of their body fluids began to float on the surface of water and from thence onward the Creation was named after Madh. Those who perform good deeds in this Universe are remembered as godly persons, while the evil doers are called demons.” 
“pritham kal jub kara pasara, oankar tai sirast opara. Kal sain prithmai bhio bhoopa, adhik atul bal roop anoopa. (10) 
kal kait doosar bhoo bhio, koorbaras tisar jug thio.Kaldhuj. chathruth nirap soey, jeh tai bhio jagat sabh ko hai. (11) 
sehas rach ja ko subh sohai, sehes pad jakai tun mo hai. Sais nag par soeibo karai, jugthe saikh saey ochrai. (12) 
Aik sarvan tai mail nikara, tatai madh kitab tun dhara. Dutiya kan tai mail nikari, tatai bhei sirast eih sari. (13) 
tinko kal bohoar badh kara, tin ko maid smund mo para. Chiken tas jul par tir rehi, maida nam tabeh tai kehi. (14) 
Sadh karam jai purkh kamavai, nam daivata jagat kahavai. Kukirat karm jai jug meh karhi, nam asur tin tosabh dharhin. (15)”

Unquote[1]

[1] - http://srec.gurmat.info/srecarticles/sridasamgranthsahib/creation.html

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Guest Wake Up]

Paapiman,

Referring to the above I'd like if you can answer two questions please in your own understanding in order to try and rectify the above which you posted, so that it's in agreement with our only Guru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji: 

Does God have physical form (outside of the Created manifest Universe)?

Are there others besides Waheguru or is Waheguru the ultimate and only truth outside of the manifest creation? 

 

[Kira]

Why are so many people against evolution? Does it trouble you that we didn't suddenly appear magically one day and it was a carefully thought out plan? There's nothing in Gurbani that contradicts evolution, Everything has a driving force and the driving force for evolution was always God.