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HAR(ਹਰਿ)  is a very common word in Sri Guru Granth Sahib.It comes over 9000 times(approx) in Guru Granth Sahib.The literal meaning of HAR is Gods name.Now it happens to me sometimes that when i read Banis and when HAR shabad comes it makes me feel that Guru sahab is telling me to  do JAP/simran of shabad  HAR which is Gods Name. Do share your opinion.

Does the word comes in any other Shastar like vedas,Puranas,Koran etc?

Is there any katha on Shabad HAR ? Plz do share .

Ang Sang Waheguru

 

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For Example Lets take a shabad 

ਧਨਾਸਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ  ਘਰੁ  ਚਉਪਦੇ 
Ḏẖanāsrī mėhlā 4 gẖar 1 cẖa▫upḏe 
Dhanaasaree, Fourth Mehl, First House, Chau-Padas: 

 ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ  
Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯgur parsāḏ. 
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: 

ਜੋ ਹਰਿ ਸੇਵਹਿ ਸੰਤ ਭਗਤ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਸਭਿ ਪਾਪ ਨਿਵਾਰੀ  
Jo har sevėh sanṯ bẖagaṯ ṯin ke sabẖ pāp nivārī. 
Those Saints and devotees who serve the Lord have all their sins washed away. 

ਹਮ ਊਪਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰਿ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਖੁ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਤੁਮ ਜੁ ਪਿਆਰੀ ॥੧॥ 
Ham ūpar kirpā kar su▫āmī rakẖ sangaṯ ṯum jo pi▫ārī. ||1|| 
Have Mercy on me, O Lord and Master, and keep me in the Sangat, the Congregation that You love. ||1|| 

ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਕਹਿ  ਸਕਉ ਬਨਵਾਰੀ  
Har guṇ kahi na saka▫o banvārī. 
I cannot even speak the Praises of the Lord, the Gardener of the world. 

ਹਮ ਪਾਪੀ ਪਾਥਰ ਨੀਰਿ ਡੁਬਤ ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਪਾਖਣ ਹਮ ਤਾਰੀ  ਰਹਾਉ  
Ham pāpī pāthar nīr dubaṯ kar kirpā pākẖaṇ ham ṯārī. Rahā▫o. 
We are sinners, sinking like stones in water; grant Your Grace, and carry us stones across. ||Pause|| 

ਜਨਮ ਜਨਮ ਕੇ ਲਾਗੇ ਬਿਖੁ ਮੋਰਚਾ ਲਗਿ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਸਾਧ ਸਵਾਰੀ  
Janam janam ke lāge bikẖ morcẖā lag sangaṯ sāḏẖ savārī. 
The rust of poison and corruption from countless incarnations sticks to us; joining the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, it is cleaned away. 

ਜਿਉ ਕੰਚਨੁ ਬੈਸੰਤਰਿ ਤਾਇਓ ਮਲੁ ਕਾਟੀ ਕਟਿਤ ਉਤਾਰੀ ॥੨॥ 
Ji▫o kancẖan baisanṯar ṯā▫i▫o mal kātī katiṯ uṯārī. ||2|| 
It is just like gold, which is heated in the fire, to remove the impurities from it. ||2|| 

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਨੁ ਜਪਉ ਦਿਨੁ ਰਾਤੀ ਜਪਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਉਰਿ ਧਾਰੀ  
Har har japan japa▫o ḏin rāṯī jap har har har ur ḏẖārī. 
I chant the chant of the Name of the Lord, day and night; I chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, Har, and enshrine it within my heart. 

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਅਉਖਧੁ ਜਗਿ ਪੂਰਾ ਜਪਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਮਾਰੀ ॥੩॥ 
Har har har a▫ukẖaḏẖ jag pūrā jap har har ha▫umai mārī. ||3|| 
The Name of the Lord, Har, Har, Har, is the most perfect medicine in this world; chanting the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, I have conquered my ego. ||3||

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਅਗਮ ਅਗਾਧਿ ਬੋਧਿ ਅਪਰੰਪਰ ਪੁਰਖ ਅਪਾਰੀ  
Har har agam agāḏẖ boḏẖ aprampar purakẖ apārī. 
The Lord, Har, Har, is unapproachable, of unfathomable wisdom, unlimited, all-powerful and infinite. 

ਜਨ ਕਉ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਜਗਜੀਵਨ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਪੈਜ ਸਵਾਰੀ ॥੪॥੧॥ 
Jan ka▫o kirpā karahu jagjīvan jan Nānak paij savārī. ||4||1|| 
Show Mercy to Your humble servant, O Life of the world, and save the honor of servant Nanak. ||4||1||

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Now if we analyse HAR part of the the above shabad  :

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਅਉਖਧੁ ਜਗਿ ਪੂਰਾ ਜਪਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਮਾਰੀ ॥੩॥ 
The Name of the Lord, Har, Har, Har, is the most perfect medicine in this world; chanting the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, I have conquered my ego. ||3||

 it guides us to  chant the word HAR,HAR which is Lords Name and not WaheGuru ,Waheguru .

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I met one of the 3HO (Yogi Bhajan organisation) members and we had a discussion on HAR. Infact in there various meditation classes they chant HAR,HAR alone sometimes or as HAR HAR Waheguru.

In discussion couple of points which came out were

1. There are 36 writers of Guru Granth Sahib.Not one of our Guru has mentioned abt Waheguru as Gods name.This is one of the reason why 3HO followers chant HAR most of the time.

2. Waheguru comes only 13 times that to in praises of  GURU Ram Das whereas HAR comes more than 9000 times.

If we look at the shabad below the essence is to chant HAR ,HAR  see the ਰਹਾਉ part which is Gods Name.

ਭੈਰਉ ਮਹਲਾ  
भैरउ महला ५ ॥
Bẖairo mėhlā 5.
Bhairao, Fifth Mehl:

ਸਾਚ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਲਹਹੁ 
साच पदारथु गुरमुखि लहहु ॥
Sācẖ paḏārath gurmukẖ lahhu.
As Gurmukh, obtain the true wealth.

ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਾ ਭਾਣਾ ਸਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਸਹਹੁ ॥੧॥
प्रभ का भाणा सति करि सहहु ॥१॥
Parabẖ kā bẖāṇā saṯ kar sahhu. ||1||
Accept the Will of God as True. ||1||

ਜੀਵਤ ਜੀਵਤ ਜੀਵਤ ਰਹਹੁ 
जीवत जीवत जीवत रहहु ॥
Jīvaṯ jīvaṯ jīvaṯ rahhu.
Live, live, live forever.

ਰਾਮ ਰਸਾਇਣੁ ਨਿਤ ਉਠਿ ਪੀਵਹੁ 
राम रसाइणु नित उठि पीवहु ॥
Rām rasā▫iṇ niṯ uṯẖ pīvhu.
Rise early each day, and drink in the Nectar of the Lord.

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਸਨਾ ਕਹਹੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ 
हरि हरि हरि हरि रसना कहहु ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Har har har har rasnā kahhu. ||1|| rahā▫o.
With your tongue, chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, Har, Har. ||1||Pause||

ਕਲਿਜੁਗ ਮਹਿ ਇਕ ਨਾਮਿ ਉਧਾਰੁ 
कलिजुग महि इक नामि उधारु ॥
Kalijug mėh ik nām uḏẖār.
In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the One Name alone shall save you.

ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬੋਲੈ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ॥੨॥੧੧॥
नानकु बोलै ब्रहम बीचारु ॥२॥११॥
Nānak bolai barahm bīcẖār. ||2||11||
Nanak speaks the wisdom of God. ||2||11||

So are we  Sikhs undermining the word HAR.We can argue its not our Gurumantra  ,but we cannot deny either that HAR is Prabhu  Simran?

Plz share your thoughts 

SATNAM 

 

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Hari Hari is a powerful mantar.

On ‎6‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 1:46 AM, angy15 said:

met one of the 3HO (Yogi Bhajan organisation) members and we had a discussion on HAR. Infact in there various meditation classes they chant HAR,HAR alone sometimes or as HAR HAR Waheguru.

I've been attending Kundalini Yoga for quite a few years. I also do Bikram hatha yoga on occasions when I don't attend weekly.

In Kundalini, there are many mantras used and I wouldn't say har har is used more than others. Sat-naam is used, so is Wahe-guru, ang sang Waheguru, Chatar chakar varti, ek onkar satgur prasad, Gobinday mukanday as well as har-har-har-har-Gobinday........and there are a number of others.  

However, I've never come across  "HAR HAR Waheguru"  as you mention above(bold)

A few years ago, I mentioned on the meditation forum about how I personally experienced the power of Har Har mantra and I recently mentioned it with regards to it's pronunciation on Bhagat Singh's thread below..

 

You have to remember that the Sri Guru Granth sahib ji is for all of humanity and mankind. Doesn't matter what religion or origins someone is from, the gurbani can be applied by all. This is why it references shabads with different mantars and doesn't stick with single gurmantar. 

 

 

On ‎6‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 1:07 AM, paapiman said:

One Jaap to stay away from (especially forJagayasus) is "Sohang". There might be others, which we should avoid.

 

I don't know about that because "sohang" is in gurbani.

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ਨਾਨਕ ਸੋਹੰ ਹੰਸਾ ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪਹੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ ਤਿਸੈ ਸਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥
Nānak sohaʼn hansā jap jāpahu ṯaribẖavaṇ ṯisai samāhi. ||1||
O Nanak, chant the chant of 'Sohang hansaa' - 'He is me, and I am Him.' The three worlds are absorbed in Him. ||1||

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ਸੋਹੰ ਸੋ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਹੈ ਜਾਪ ॥
Sohaʼn so jā ka▫o hai jāp.
Chant "Sohan" - "He is me.

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On 6/5/2018 at 8:02 AM, angy15 said:

HAR(ਹਰਿ)  is a very common word in Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

The word is Hari.

I always recommend that we add more vegetables to our diet and leave the siharis out.

On 6/5/2018 at 8:02 AM, angy15 said:

Now it happens to me sometimes that when i read Banis and when HAR shabad comes it makes me feel that Guru sahab is telling me to  do JAP/simran of shabad  HAR which is Gods Name.

Hari and Ram are two most common Mantras prescribed in Guru Granth Sahib.

Sarb dharam meh shresht dharam,
Hari ko naam jap nirmal karam.

Of all religions the highest religion,
is to chant the name of Hari and perform pure actions.

 

On 6/5/2018 at 8:02 AM, angy15 said:

Does the word comes in any other Shastar like vedas,Puranas,Koran etc? 

It comes from the Vaishnav tradition from an ancient Prayer called - "Thousand Names of the Omnipresent One" (Vishnu Sahasranama).

कालनेमिनिहा वीरः शौरिः शूरजनेश्वरः ।
त्रिलोकात्मा त्रिलोकेशः केशवः केशिहा हरिः ।। 69 ।।

kālaneminihā vīraḥ śauriḥ śūrajaneśvaraḥ |
trilōkātmā trilōkeśaḥ keśavaḥ keśihā hariḥ || 69 ||

642.
Kālanemi-nihā: One who destroyed the Asura named Kalanemi.
643.
Viraḥ: One who is courageous.
644.
Śauriḥ: One who was born in the clan of Sura as Krishna.
645.
Śūrajaneśvaraḥ: One who by his overwhelming prowess
controls even great powers like Indra and others.
646.
Trilōkātmā: One who in his capacity as the inner pervade is the
soul for the three worlds.
647.
Trilōkeśaḥ: One under whose guidance and command
everything in the three words is functioning.
648.
Keśavaḥ: By Kesha is meant the rays of light spreading within
the orbit of the sun.
649.
Keśihā: One who destroyed the Asura named Keshi.
650.
Hari: One who destroys Samsara, that is, entanglement in the
cycle of birth and death along with ignorance, its cause.
 
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18 hours ago, paapiman said:

"Sohang" translates to "He is me", indicating that "I AM GOD". Well, it describes the essence of reality, but for Jagayasus it can have a negative effect. Most Jagayasus (their minds) are contaminated by Ego/pride

I understand what you mean about the "he is me",  and I would also agree with your understanding. Nevertheless, I can explain about the technique/intention they use with So-Hang jap, but firstly could you explain what "Jagayasus"  means?  (I'm not sure if I understood it correctly)

 

Now, with the So-Hang jap. I believe they do it as 2 syllables of So and Hang. ... so-hang...so-hang...so-hang.....  They can do it in single breath or a So and Hang in separate breaths.

The idea is to get so absorbed in the sound of mantar; that it becomes both So-Hang  and Hang-So..  Should be heard as if it is Hang-so and also So-Hang is being uttered.  Similar to when a person can't differentiate whether one is saying so-hang or hang-so.  

This is their way to take you to jyoti-jyot milayee.   "I am him"  and "He is me".  so-hang,  hang-so

 

 

 

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On 6/7/2018 at 12:11 AM, angy15 said:

 it guides us to  chant the word HAR,HAR which is Lords Name and not WaheGuru ,Waheguru .

The Har mantar is already incorporated within the Waheguru Mantar (making the Waheguru mantar much stronger than the Har Mantar).

The Vaheguru mantar is made of four letters

V - Represents Vasudev Mantar

H - Represents Har Mantar

G - Represents Gobind Mantar

R - Represents Ram Mantar

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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25 minutes ago, paapiman said:

The Har mantar is already incorporated within the Waheguru Mantar (making the Waheguru mantar much stronger than the Har Mantar).

The Vaheguru mantar is made of four letters

V - Represents Vasudev Mantar

H - Represents Har Mantar

G - Represents Gobind Mantar

R - Represents Ram Mantar

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

I was waiting to state this after I could sense angy15's next question brewing up... The missionary ..."Where in SGGSji does it say Waheguru is gurmantar?"

 

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12 hours ago, Lucky said:

I understand what you mean about the "he is me",  and I would also agree with your understanding. Nevertheless, I can explain about the technique/intention they use with So-Hang jap, but firstly could you explain what "Jagayasus"  means?  (I'm not sure if I understood it correctly)

The word generally refers to seeker, one who is walking on the path to merge.  One who hasn't become jeevan mukth(not just from chaurasi)/self realized/brhamgyani, whichever word you want to use yet etc.

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On 6/11/2018 at 5:37 AM, Lucky said:

I was waiting to state this after I could sense angy15's next question brewing up... The missionary ..."Where in SGGSji does it say Waheguru is gurmantar?"

Well it is true. Guru Granth Sahib does not state that Waheguru is Gurmantra. Bhai Gurdas ji does.

But that said the "Waheguru mantra" also exists in the form of this shalok from Sukhmani Sahib.

Adi Gurae Namah
Jugadi Gurae Namah
Satygurae Namah
Shri Gurdevae Namah

What is really interesting is that this Mantra is even stronger than "Waheguru" mantra because it has more Words and thus Syllables and we know adding up Syllables makes a Mantra stronger. 😉@paapiman

Secret - The Key is not in the Mantra but in the Consciousness who is chanting it.

Hari aape japaye, aape Hari jaape.

Who is that one chanting the Mantra, and who is the one listening to it?

In what space the sounds of the Mantra are arising?

What is the shape of that space in which the Mantra is being chanted?

Drop all other ideas in your mind and hone in on that one.

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6 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

What is really interesting is that this Mantra is even stronger than "Waheguru" mantra because it has more Words and thus Syllables and we know adding up Syllables makes a Mantra stronger.

Waheguru is the strongest one-word mantar. You cannot compare mantars which have multiple words to a single word mantra. Waheguru can be compared to mantars like Ram, Hari, Om, Allah, Gobind, etc.

6 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

Secret - The Key is not in the Mantra but in the Consciousness who is chanting it.

You cannot compare a Brahamgyani chanting Har Mantar to a Jagaysu chanting the Waheguru mantar. There is a huge gap in the level of consciousness of the two.

The comparison has to be done by the same healthy person (of a certain avastha) chanting different mantras and thus figuring out which one has the most impact on him or healthy people of similar avasthas*, chanting different mantars and then analyzing on who is moving ahead faster in the spiritual realm.

For Jagayasus, Waheguru (single word) and Mool Mantar (multiple word) are the best Mantars.

* - those people must also be Rehatvaan (for Sikhs) or have a PLM (for non-Sikhs). Also, the quantity/quality of their Paralabd and Sanchit karams must be similar.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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On 6/11/2018 at 2:02 AM, Lucky said:

but firstly could you explain what "Jagayasus"  means?  (I'm not sure if I understood it correctly)

Sorry for the late reply.

ਜਗਿਆਸੂ basically means a spiritual seeker.

There are three categories:

  • ਕਨਿਸ਼ਠ - Lowest level
  • ਮਧਿਯਮ - Middle level
  • ਉਤਮ - Top level

 

Gurbani updesh will differ depending on your level.

Daas is not sure on how many categories exist between ਉਤਮ ਜਗਿਆਸੂ and the first stage of Brahamgyan. If Daas finds any more information, Gurparsaad, will post it.

If anyone else can describe these stages in details (in a separate topic), that would be great.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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20 hours ago, paapiman said:

😡

Bhul chuk maaf

Lol angry smiley with "bhul chuk maaf".

 

Btw I am not just teasing you for the sake of teasing you.

My point was that a mantra with "higher syllable to word count" ratio doesn't make it more powerful. The consciousness that chants the mantra is what makes it powerful.

Hari aape japaye, aape Hari jaape.

Who is that one chanting the Mantra, and who is the one listening to it?

In what space the sounds of the Mantra are arising?

What is the shape of that space in which the Mantra is being chanted?

Drop all other ideas in your mind and hone in on that one.

Hope that makes sense.

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18 hours ago, paapiman said:

There is a deep esoteric meaning associated with it. Try to figure it out. You can get back to me via pm in order to avoid going off-topic.

Don't make me do this bro. Forgive me.

For me there are no deep esoteric meanings, I only know that one out of which everything arises. It's deeper than any depth I have seen.

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On 6/7/2018 at 1:07 AM, paapiman said:

Daas is not completely sure about the details of the sakhi below, so please don't quote me on it. Gurparsaad, will confirm it in the future.

Sant Baba Bishen Singh jee Murarewale or Sant Baba Sundar Singh jee Khalsa Bhindranwale used to do jaap of "Har Waheguru" as he had a similar thinking as yours. The word "Har" is used the maximum number of times in Sri Aad Gurbani, out of all the names of Sri Akal Purakh. But, when "Anhad Naad" manifested itself to Babajee, he only heard the sound of "Waheguru". There was no "Har".

Our Gurmantar is Waheguru and we should try to focus on it. Having said that, one can do Jaap of other mantars (from Gurbani).

One Jaap to stay away from (especially forJagayasus) is "Sohang". There might be others, which we should avoid.

 

Bhul chuk maaf 

The sound Vaheguru alone was also said to emenate from Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. 

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Guru Nanak literally told us to jap Har, Hari, Raam. Idk where waheguru came from. I heard it was some sort of secret mantra (questionable). When Waheguru is used in SGGS its used in reference to Krishna.

when I think about it we are the true Hindus, our Gurus simply revived the Truth within our kaum. Why else would they make constant references to Hari naam and Ram naam (occuring over 9000 times and 2000 times in SGGS)

the amritdhari caste will have us believe otherwise 🙄

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10 minutes ago, chintamatkaro said:

Guru Nanak literally told us to jap Har, Hari, Raam. Idk where waheguru came from. I heard it was some sort of secret mantra (questionable). When Waheguru is used in SGGS its used in reference to Krishna.

when I think about it we are the true Hindus, our Gurus simply revived the Truth within our kaum. Why else would they make constant references to Hari naam and Ram naam (occuring over 9000 times and 2000 times in SGGS)

the amritdhari caste will have us believe otherwise <img src=">

That being said, I still use Waheguru as my main mantra but I don’t exclude Krishna from my worship either. We really need to dig deeper into what and why Baba Nanak said the things he did in SGGS. Krishna is more than a “demigod”. He is the head aspect of the Supreme Being. Also there used to be photos of Sri Ganesha and Sri Hanuman on the original Khalsa flags. We are very much Hindus but we just know the true way because of Baba Nanak. He revived the consciousness of Satnaam in us.

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19 minutes ago, chintamatkaro said:

Guru Nanak literally told us to jap Har, Hari, Raam. Idk where waheguru came from. I heard it was some sort of secret mantra (questionable). When Waheguru is used in SGGS its used in reference to Krishna.

when I think about it we are the true Hindus, our Gurus simply revived the Truth within our kaum. Why else would they make constant references to Hari naam and Ram naam (occuring over 9000 times and 2000 times in SGGS)

the amritdhari caste will have us believe otherwise <img src=">

It's written in Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji under the approving eye of the Guru Saibhan. 

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4 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

It's written in Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji under the approving eye of the Guru Saibhan. 

I understand, I love Waheguru mantra but even Bhai Gurdas said it was about avtaara… so it begs the question, are we really who we think we are? We are all sanatanis, everytime we take Vaheguru naam we take Vasudev Hari Govind Raam according to Esteemed Sant Baba Gurdas Ji. These are all naam of Hindu origin. Specifically incarnations of Lord Vishnu. And honestly I am proud of my ancestors and their worship was pure and perfect so why should we deviate from the Truth? Baba Nanak didn’t establish a new religion he simply re awakened the lost souls of Hindustan. Back to our Sanatani roots, even Maharaj Guru Gobind Singh Ji told the Hindus of the time that keeping the kesh was symbolic of being a sant, as the hindus used to keep a rishi knot for extra spiritual energy.

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