Golden Prakash

[Ragmaala]

Tohana Channel and Gurmat Meditation  views on Golden Prakash. 

I personally believe Golden Prakash is right since Baba Nand Singh Ji sponsored/ promoted s Golden Saroop of Guru Nanak Sahib.

Any thoughts ? 

 

 

[PCSJZ]

4 hours ago, Ragmaala said:

Tohana Channel and Gurmat Meditation seem to have differing views on Golden Prakash. 

I personally believe Golden Prakash is right since Baba Nand Singh Ji sponsored/ promoted s Golden Saroop of Guru Nanak Sahib.

Any thoughts ? feels like a rivalry 

 

 

Im with Bhai Simranjit all the way although I have not listened to the other clip yet. The thing with chautha padh is that nothing is physical so seeing faces of the gurus whilst doing abhiyas isnt necessarily a good thing and from what bhai Seva Singh used to say, its just kaal playing tricks on you. Same as if you see different coloured lights.

I will listen to the other clip too.

[Ragmaala]

Here Bhai Dharmjit Singh Ji explains about golden prakash providing reference from Gurbani. 

ਤੇਰੇ ਬੰਕੇ ਲੋਇਣ ਦੰਤ ਰੀਸਾਲਾ ॥   ਸੋਹਣੇ ਨਕ ਜਿਨ ਲੰਮੜੇ ਵਾਲਾ ॥   ਕੰਚਨ ਕਾਇਆ ਸੁਇਨੇ ਕੀ ਢਾਲਾ ॥ 

 

 

 

 

 

[paapiman]

@Soulfinder - Please make back-ups for all the clips bro.

Thanks a lot

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Mooorakh]

2 hours ago, Ragmaala said:

Here Bhai Dharmjit Singh Ji explains about golden prakash providing reference from Gurbani. 

ਤੇਰੇ ਬੰਕੇ ਲੋਇਣ ਦੰਤ ਰੀਸਾਲਾ ॥   ਸੋਹਣੇ ਨਕ ਜਿਨ ਲੰਮੜੇ ਵਾਲਾ ॥   ਕੰਚਨ ਕਾਇਆ ਸੁਇਨੇ ਕੀ ਢਾਲਾ ॥ 

 

 

 

 

 

M sorry but this is little skeptical if we go by this pankti of Guru Nanak sahib then waheguru has a roop - with beautiful eyes, nose, long hair n golden aura roop. Sorry but I hv a shanka on this.. @Lucky veerji pls clarify if possible. 

Well on the second thought.. See how children draw sun - see yellow or golden. They also say stars are golden but science term sunlight as white light or natural light - combination of colors... may be it's how one may perceive it . It may depend on many other factors and varies from person to person 

 

 

[Soulfinder]

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

@Soulfinder - Please make back-ups for all the clips bro.

Thanks a lot

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

[Soulfinder]

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

@Soulfinder - Please make back-ups for all the clips bro.

Thanks a lot

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

[Soulfinder]

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

@Soulfinder - Please make back-ups for all the clips bro.

Thanks a lot

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

[Ragmaala]

1 hour ago, Mooorakh said:

M sorry but this is little skeptical if we go by this pankti of Guru Nanak sahib then waheguru has a roop - with beautiful eyes, ">nose, long hair n golden aura roop. Sorry but I hv a shanka on this.. @Lucky veerji pls clarify if possible. 

Well on the second thought.. See how children draw sun "> - see yellow or golden. They also say stars are golden but science term sunlight as white light or natural light - combination of "> colors... may be it's how one may perceive it . It may depend on many other factors and varies from person to person 

 

 

Hopefully, one day we can have the Darshan, either Sargun or Nirgun, in any form that Waheguru Ji wishes to do so, and then we will realize. I think it depends on the Bhagat, how he wishes to have Darshan, and it happens according to Bhavna. 

[Lucky]

10 hours ago, Ragmaala said:

daHopefully, one day we can have the Darshan, either Sargun or Nirgun, in any form that Waheguru Ji wishes to do so, and then we will realize. I think it depends on the Bhagat, how he wishes to have Darshan, and it happens according to Bhavna. 

that's an important point. You CAN have darshan of waheguru in sargun saroop. But you have to remember that darshan of nirankar in the nijh ghar is where there is na roop, na rang, na rekh.   

With regards to the 2 parties above, they are both correct in what they say. It's difficult to explain and it's all to do with experience but I have had a stage where I was getting the golden prakash some years ago. It was constant in nearly every session but it did not open any doors and it was NOT nirankar. However, I'm also aware that a golden prakash can manifest as a gateway for some abyasees, so the only way they will know if it is that, is if they focus on it. This is why I believe that Bhai Dharamjit says that Bha Sewa Singh told him to advise his relatives to focus on it. Bhai Dharamjit has not had the golden prakash because he mentions it was his relatives that were describing it.   The opening of darwaja happens in different ways for different people and in my experience it didn't involve any golden colors.  

In general, and according to many advanced yoga texts, seeing golden color is a positive sign. I remember reading that in theravada it is the awakening of heart chakra to ajna chakra. This is also same as 3rd eye fully awakening and looking through the sukhmana nadee. There were different names given by yogananda and patanjali texts for this but none of them said it was the ONE himself. All explained that it was stage of going into higher consciousness towards chautha padh or into uradh avstha.

11 hours ago, Mooorakh said:

M sorry but this is little skeptical if we go by this pankti of Guru Nanak sahib then waheguru has a roop - with beautiful eyes, ">nose, long hair n golden aura roop. Sorry but I hv a shanka on this.. @Lucky veerji pls clarify if possible. 

yes, I agree, this is a little skeptical.  My interpretation of the whole shabad and the pauree that precedes is important imho. Let's be clear that Nirankar has no color, no form and no shape.. However, he can reveal himself in immaculate 'niranjan' form as gurbani mentions many times. When I first looked at the pangtee on it's own, I  thought it were describing Dharamraj  lol!

I can give you an idea of my interpretation at the moment so you can get the gist and maybe delve into it further.

in the pauri that is previous, Guru ji is talking as 2nd person to God and as I explained in another topic of the so-dar paurees difference, Guruji speaks as second perosn and sometimes as first person Nirankar himself, as if instruction from God. However, in the later part of the paurees he could also be speaking as a 2nd person to a 3rd party instead of directly to God. 3rd party being soul-brides/ suhellees

ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਤਾ ਸਾਚੁ ਪਛਾਣਾ ॥
Naḏar karahi ṯā sācẖ pacẖẖāṇā.
If You bless me with Your Glance of Grace, I realize the Truth.
 

ਸਾਚੋ ਪਛਾਣਾ ਤਾਮਿ ਤੇਰਾ ਜਾਮਿ ਆਪਿ ਬੁਝਾਵਹੇ ॥
Sācẖo pacẖẖāṇā ṯām ṯerā jām āp bujẖāvhe.
Only then do I come to realize the Truth, when You Yourself instruct me.

Firstly, Looking at the "sach pachana" and ignoring the english translation slightly for the moment..  first line is "Naḏar karahi ṯā sācẖ pacẖẖāṇā."  if you do nadar then I can pachaan (recognise) the form of the satch. To "pachaan' is to recognize, acknowledge and confirm. Like 'pachaan' someone you haven't seen since childhood.  In the next line he starts of with "Sachh pachaan" after ending previous line with 'sach pachaana'. Breaking down the translation slightly, .. Sācẖo pacẖẖāṇā ṯām ṯerā jām āp bujẖāvhe. .  sach pachana,(recognize sach) tam(then)  tera jam ap(so long as you, yourself) bujhavhe(give the understanding/confirm).. To "bujh" something is to work it out or guess it yourself. Bujhavhay= is when he gives you the answer/confirmation. 

In a way, Guruji is asking God to reveal himself in recognizable fashion. Then in following lines he talks about Maya. and making people understand something that is "alakh" (invisible) and "apara" (infinite)

ਦੂਖ ਭੂਖ ਸੰਸਾਰਿ ਕੀਏ ਸਹਸਾ ਏਹੁ ਚੁਕਾਵਹੇ ॥
Ḏūkẖ bẖūkẖ sansār kī▫e sahsā ehu cẖukāvhe.
The pain and hunger of the world are Your making; dispel this doubt.
 

ਬਿਨਵੰਤਿ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਜਾਇ ਸਹਸਾ ਬੁਝੈ ਗੁਰ ਬੀਚਾਰਾ ॥
Binvanṯ Nānak jā▫e sahsā bujẖai gur bīcẖārā.
Prays Nanak, ones skepticism is taken away, when he understands the Guru's wisdom.
 

ਵਡਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਹੈ ਆਪਿ ਅਲਖ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥੬॥
vadā sāhib hai āp alakẖ apārā. ||6||
The Great Lord Master is unfathomable and infinite. ||6||

In the next verse Guru ji is speaking as 2nd person TO God and describing his attributes as per creator's creation akin to human good looks. 

ਤੇਰੇ ਬੰਕੇ ਲੋਇਣ ਦੰਤ ਰੀਸਾਲਾ ॥
Ŧere banke lo▫iṇ ḏanṯ rīsālā.
Your eyes are so beautiful, and Your teeth are delightful.
 

ਸੋਹਣੇ ਨਕ ਜਿਨ ਲੰਮੜੇ ਵਾਲਾ ॥
Sohṇe nak jin lammṛe vālā.
Your nose is so graceful, and Your hair is so long.
 

ਕੰਚਨ ਕਾਇਆ ਸੁਇਨੇ ਕੀ ਢਾਲਾ ॥
Kancẖan kā▫i▫ā su▫ine kī dẖālā.
Your body is so precious, cast in gold.

 But in the pangtees that follow, He's talking to a 3rd person and describing God.. He's addressing sister friends as if he is also a "suhelee" in the context of describing lover/husband good looks as per mayavee duniya.

ਸੋਵੰਨ ਢਾਲਾ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮਾਲਾ ਜਪਹੁ ਤੁਸੀ ਸਹੇਲੀਹੋ ॥
Sovann dẖālā krisan mālā japahu ṯusī sahelīho.
His body is cast in gold, and He wears Krishna's mala; meditate on Him, O sisters.
 

ਜਮ ਦੁਆਰਿ ਨ ਹੋਹੁ ਖੜੀਆ ਸਿਖ ਸੁਣਹੁ ਮਹੇਲੀਹੋ ॥
Jam ḏu▫ār na hohu kẖaṛī▫ā sikẖ suṇhu mahelīho.
You shall not have to stand at Death's door, O sisters, if you listen to these teachings.
 

ਹੰਸ ਹੰਸਾ ਬਗ ਬਗਾ ਲਹੈ ਮਨ ਕੀ ਜਾਲਾ ॥
Hans hansā bag bagā lahai man kī jālā.
From a crane, you shall be transformed into a swan, and the filth of your mind shall be removed.
 

It is not the description that guruji was asking for in aforementioned "bhujavay" since he confirmed the alak and apar . He instructs his sisters or "mahelio"(soul brides) to meditate on him and not fall for good looks/ beauty in creation and indulge in vices. LISTEN "sunhu" maheliho is the key here.   He's indirectly addressing their passions for mayavee beauty , as he calls us souls the "bagla" cranes with filth of vices and desires on our minds.  Remember that we are all the 'mahelio' souls/brides.

In the lines that follow, I think that he is describing us (soul-brides) after we have transformed from cranes to swans in inner purity, as in last pangtee he describes how the bride will be intoxicated and flowing like ganges in this world.

ਬੰਕੇ ਲੋਇਣ ਦੰਤ ਰੀਸਾਲਾ ॥੭॥
Banke lo▫iṇ ḏanṯ rīsālā. ||7||
Your eyes are so beautiful, and Your teeth are delightful. ||7||

ਤੇਰੀ ਚਾਲ ਸੁਹਾਵੀ ਮਧੁਰਾੜੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥
Ŧerī cẖāl suhāvī maḏẖurāṛī baṇī.
Your walk is so graceful, and Your speech is so sweet.
 

ਕੁਹਕਨਿ ਕੋਕਿਲਾ ਤਰਲ ਜੁਆਣੀ ॥
Kuhkan kokilā ṯaral ju▫āṇī.
You coo like a songbird, and your youthful beauty is alluring.
 

ਤਰਲਾ ਜੁਆਣੀ ਆਪਿ ਭਾਣੀ ਇਛ ਮਨ ਕੀ ਪੂਰੀਏ ॥
Ŧarlā ju▫āṇī āp bẖāṇī icẖẖ man kī pūrī▫e.
Your youthful beauty is so alluring; it pleases You, and it fulfills the heart's desires.
 

ਸਾਰੰਗ ਜਿਉ ਪਗੁ ਧਰੈ ਠਿਮਿ ਠਿਮਿ ਆਪਿ ਆਪੁ ਸੰਧੂਰਏ ॥
Sārang ji▫o pag ḏẖarai ṯẖim ṯẖim āp āp sanḏẖūra▫e.
Like an elephant, You step with Your Feet so carefully; You are satisfied with Yourself.
 

ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਰਾਤੀ ਫਿਰੈ ਮਾਤੀ ਉਦਕੁ ਗੰਗਾ ਵਾਣੀ ॥
Sarīrang rāṯī firai māṯī uḏak gangā vāṇī.
She who is imbued with the Love of such a Great Lord, flows intoxicated, like the waters of the Ganges.
 

ਬਿਨਵੰਤਿ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਦਾਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਤੇਰੀ ਚਾਲ ਸੁਹਾਵੀ ਮਧੁਰਾੜੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥੮॥੨॥
Binvanṯ Nānak ḏās har kā ṯerī cẖāl suhāvī maḏẖurāṛī baṇī. ||8||2||
Prays Nanak, I am Your slave, O Lord; Your walk is so graceful, and Your speech is so sweet. ||8||2||

If you go further and look into vadhaans Mehal 3, you'll see that vadhaans mehala 1 was build up to 3rd patshahees composition which is directly about husband lord and soul bride.   The whole vadhaans baani has to be read in it's entirety to get the full picture.

 

[Ragmaala]

8 hours ago, Lucky said:

that's an important point. You CAN have darshan of waheguru in sargun saroop. But you have to remember that darshan of nirankar in the nijh ghar is where there is na roop, na rang, na rekh. 

Hanji veer ji I can understand what you are saying.

@Lucky just a side question. I understand that we can have many relationships with Waheguru ji like father, mother, sibling and a friend.

And there is the relation of Husband and Wife. I understand its a very special one and probably the final destination. Having read the jivans of Baba Nand Singh ji and Baba Ishar Singh ji Kaleran, they were very very protective about their time between 12:30 am to 3 ish am. Mahapurush said that it was their time to be intimate with Nirankar, and there were special pehredars both physically and Shaheed Singhs , to make sure they were not disturbed. Even if a devotee did mental ardaas to Mahapurush during that Amritvela, it was frowned upon. So I understand it was a very intimate time. Mahapurush also often referred themselves as having had the viah done with Guru Nanak Sahib. I feel its so beautiful.

[Lucky]

1 hour ago, Ragmaala said:

Hanji veer ji "> I can understand what you are saying.

@Lucky just a side question. I understand that we can have many relationships with Waheguru ji like father, mother, sibling and a friend.

And there is the relation of Husband and Wife. I understand its a very special one and probably the final destination. Having read the jivans of Baba Nand Singh ji and Baba Ishar Singh ji Kaleran, they were very very protective about their time between 12:30 am to 3 ish am. Mahapurush said that it was their time to be intimate with Nirankar, and there were special pehredars both physically and Shaheed Singhs , to make sure they were not disturbed. Even if a devotee did mental ardaas to Mahapurush during that Amritvela, it was frowned upon. So I understand it was a very intimate time. Mahapurush also often referred themselves as having had the viah done with Guru Nanak Sahib. I feel its so beautiful.

 I've come across yoga texts where they verify that balancing of ida pingla is easier at periods before sunrise and sunset. At those times, the left and right seem to naturally switch over in short space of time. Left could be dominant for few minutes, then right could be dominant, and then left again..etc.  During this period it is much easier to get into a steady state of equilibrium and be in sehaj.  Of course, the way you live in daily life and jeevan jatch plays a big part in this because you can't come back from casino at 12 am and then try and get into sehaj a few hours later.

[Mooorakh]

Thank you tonns, that  clears alot. . 

Though more insight on prakash and light is seeked by learned ones and Gurmukhs

 

Thank you