four types of avastha??

[SAadmin]

I read this before but now i just gotta vague idea ..so please can anyone help here.

what exactly is-

1. Jagarath Avastha. 2. Supan Avastha 3. Sukhopat Avastha 4 Turiya Avastha.

Please define it fully ...examples will do as well

Thanks in advance

[Guest SAdmin]

There are four types of "Avasthas" so you are missing fourth one which is "Turiya" or Sahaj Avastha.

[Guest]

meaning of that i know already singh...that's why i didn't put it up.

[Guest SAdmin]

In nutshell:

1. Jagarath Avastha: This Avastha is easy to understand as everything (e.g. Gossips, work, and worldly work) comes under it. We are awake and in Jagarth Avastha and performing our daily tasks.

2. Supan Avastha: This is the Avastha when we finish our work and try to have rest at night and get dreams in which we see lots of things happening. We see someone is dead or we are running towards something etc. This Avastha is not important for Sikhs though because as per Sikh Dharma "Sahaj" Avastha is the best one to carry.

3. Sukhopat Avastha: This Avastha can be called "Sound sleep" or like we say "Ghore Vech kea souna" so we have crossed the Supan Avastha and entered this Avastha in which we do not know what is going on around us and sleep like a dead man.

[Guest]

aaaaaaaaaah thanks for clarifying admin ji..so that's what sukhopat avastha means...sound sleep.. :)

Thanks a lot

[ssinghuk]

Since we're on the topic, in a nutshell, please describe Sahaj avastha as well

[tSingh]

not really,

this topic is directly linked to the panchkosh or 5 sheaths projected through upadhi to be real. Hence this is reflected in the aatm, which although unmaleable appears bonded.

The first avastha is when the mind is interacting with sensory information, the second when the senses are generally less active, but the mind is still projecting images and experience in sleep, and the third is dreamless sleep, when the mind is not active but is really more akin to non-consciousness. Turiya is beyond the three and one of pure consciousness. Note that for vedantins Om itself is composed of these three states of consciousness.

For detailed understanding of this get hold of Mandukya Upanishad with Gaudapad's Karikas.

[Guest SAdmin]

Sahaj Avastha: This is the "Avastha" in which we start attending congregation of "Gursikhs" and with simran and meditation start going towards that almighty. In short, this Avastha is related to "Gyan" in which we have gained knowledge. We have left the affection of "Maya" and seeing almighty in everything and everywhere.

Here are few tuks of Gurbani:

Treh Gun Maayiya moh hai Gurmukh chau-thaa padh paaye|| Siri Raag

Gur Parsadi kau virla bujhe chau-thaa padh liv-laavniya|| Maajh

Aasa mansa dau binasat trih Gun aas niras bhayee

Turiya-Avastha Gurmukh Paayiye Sant Sabha kee aut lahi|| Aasa Mahala

[Guest SAdmin]

Bhai Gurdas Jee also mentions "Turiya stage" as mentioned earlier "Sahaj" Avastha:

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/Page.asp?Sour...96&Format=2

[tSingh]

This avastha is not the practice of keeping company of saints, it is the product of this coupled with Waheguru's nadari. It is pure consciousness akin to mukti. It is the gyaan. Bhai Gurdas ji describes refers to the four states as well, with turiya arising of Satiguru, also

[Guest SAdmin]

Yes, I agree with Tsingh here. This is the same stage which I tried to describe that is knowing or having a "Gyan" or "Viya-pakta" of almighty and he sees it everywhere.

[Guest]

Read five different types of koshas here..it's very very deep..it took me 1.5 hrs to grasp this beautiful deep peace of writing

1. Anmay Kos

2. Pranmay Kos

3 Mnumay Kos

4. Vigyanmay Kos

5. Anandmay Kos

the five kos'as

Vedanta analyses the non-Self into five kos'as, or sheaths, namely, the gross physical sheath (annamaya-kos'a), the sheath of prana or the vital force (prana-mayakos'a), the sheath of the mind (manomayakos'a), the sheath of the buddhi or intelligence (vijnanamaya-kos'a), and the sheath of bliss (anandamayakos'a). They are called sheaths because, like sheaths, they conceal Atman. They are figuratively described as one inside the other, the physical sheath being the outermost and the sheath of bliss the innermost. The real meaning is that one sheath is finer than another. As a finer entity permeates a grosser one, so the finer sheath permeates the grosser sheath. Thus, when it is said that the sheath of the vital force is inside the gross physical sheath, it really means that the former is finer than the latter and therefore permeates it. Atman is the finest substance. It is detached from the sheaths and permeates them all. The effulgence of Atman shines through all the sheaths, though in varying degrees according to their density. Thus, the sheath of intelligence manifests more of the luminosity of Atman than the sheath of the mind. Through ignorance a man identifies Atman with one or more of the kos'as, or sheaths. As this ignorance is stubborn, persistent, and hard to overcome, Vedantic philosophers take considerable pains to describe their illusory nature and exhort the aspirants to negate them. Only when that is done, that is to say, when one cultivates total detachment toward them through discrimination, is the true nature of Atman revealed.

The annamayakos'a, or physical body. This sheath, which constitutes the gross physical body, is produced by the combination of the gross elements and consists of flesh, bones, blood, and other ingredients. Dependent upon food for its existence, it lives as long as it can assimilate food. It is not seen prior to birth or after death; its existence is transitory and its virtues are ephemeral. It is changeable by nature. Therefore the body cannot be the Self. The ignorant identify themselves with the body; the book-learned, with the combination of the body, the mind, and the Self; while the calm man of discrimination regards the Self as distinct from body, mind, and ego. As long as a man does not give up this mistaken identification with the body, he cannot experience the bliss of Freedom, be he ever so erudite in philosophy or science. The body can be a help to the soul if it is regarded as an instrument, just as a house is a help to its indweller, or a horse to its rider.

The prdnamayakos'a, or sheath of prana, the vital force. This sheath is finer than the gross physical sheath and impels the latter to action. A modification of the vital force, it consists of the five pranas, enters the body after conception, leaves it at the hour of death, and produces the feelings of hunger and thirst. An insentient and limited object, the sheath of prana cannot be Atman, the omnipresent and all-seeing Witness.

The manomayakos'a, or sheath of the mind. This is finer than the sheath of prana. The Self identified with the mind feels the diversity of " I " and " you," and also experiences the differences of names and forms in the outer world. The seed-bed of desires, good and bad, the mind impels the senses to activity for their fulfilment. The phenomenal world has no existence outside the mind, which is a product of ignorance. The mind agitated by desires becomes aware of sense-objects, gross and fine, enjoys them, and also becomes attached to them. The mind alone is responsible for the illusory differences of caste and social position, as also of the notions of action, means, and end. Stained by passion, greed, and lust, it creates bondage, and freed of them, it shows the way to Liberation and Blessedness. The purification of the mind, through the practice of discrimination and dispassion, is the goal of spiritual discipline. In the opinion of Vedantic seers, the mental sheath cannot be Atman, because it is endowed with a beginning and an end, is subject to change, and is characterized by pain and pleasure. It belongs to the category of the object. The vijndnamayakos'a, or, buddhi, the sheath of intelligence. Buddhi, the determinative faculty, is, like the mind, a function of the inner organ and therefore a product of Prakriti, or matter. Though insentient by nature, it appears intelligent and conscious because it reflects Chit, or Pure Intelligence. This reflection of Pure Consciousness in buddhi is called the jiva, or individualized soul, whose chief characteristic is I-consciousness. Subject to the law of karma, it assumes different bodies, determined by the desires of previous births, and performs good and evil actions. Atman, identifying Itself with the sheath of intelligence, experiences misery and happiness in the waking and dream states and their absence in dreamless sleep. It is through ignorance that the upadhi of jivahood is superimposed on Atman, the Pure Self; and that is why Atman appears to be a doer or enjoyer in the relative world.

It may be contended that the superimposition on account of which the Supreme Self appears as the jiva, through delusion or otherwise, is without beginning, and hence cannot have an end. Therefore the individuality of the soul, also, must have no end. It must go on forever. How, then, can there be Liberation for the soul? In answer the Vedantic philosopher says that the jivahood, or individualization, of Atman is not real, but is conjured up by ignorance. The unattached, formless, and actionless Atman cannot be related to the objective world except through delusion. Since the very notion of jivahood is due to delusion, it ceases to exist when the delusion is destroyed by the true Knowledge of the Self. Because of ignorance a rope appears to be a snake; and it continues to be perceived as such so long as the ignorance lasts. But when the true nature of the rope is seen, the idea of the snake disappears. Avidya, or nescience, and its effects, such as time, space, and causality, are beginningless for those who are subject to it. But when ignorance is destroyed by Right Knowledge, all such notions as the jivahood of Atman and Its birth and death cease to exist, just as the dream ego functioning in sleep vanishes when the dreamer awakes. Atman, the only existent Reality, cannot have any connection with the buddhi and thus become a jiva, for the buddhi does not exist from the standpoint of Atman. There cannot be any real conection between Atman and the sheath of the buddhi, just as there cannot be any point of contact between the desert and the water seen in a mirage. The false superimposition which accounts for the individuality of the jiva can be directly destroyed only through the Knowledge of Brahman and not by any other means such as ritualistic worship, study of scripture, •or philanthropic activities. This unitive (intuitive?) Knowledge— attained through discrimination between the Real and the unreal and relinquishment of the unreal—enables the bound soul to attain Liberation.

The anandamayakos'a, or sheath of bliss. Finer than the sheath of intelligence is the subtle sheath of bliss. This bliss, however, must not be conjused with the Supreme? Bliss of Brahman. A modification of nescience, or Prakriti, it manifests itself by catching a reflection of the ever blissful Atman. The chief features of this sheath are pleasure and rest—the pleasure that is experienced when one comes in contact with an agreeable object. The righteous man feels it in a small measure and without the least effort at the time of the fruition of his virtuous deeds. But the fullest manifestation of the sheath of bliss is experienced in deep sleep, when one remains totally unconscious of suffering of any kind. After waking from deep sleep a man remarks that he has slept happily. A partial manifestation is known in the waking state when the senses come in contact with pleasant objects, or in the dream state due to pleasant memory-impressions. The sheath of bliss, though close to Atman, cannot be Atman Itself, as it is a product of ignorance; which fact can be known from the experience of unconsciousness in dreamless sleep. Further, this sheath, like the other sheaths, is endowed with changing attributes. But Atman is omnipresent and self-existent.

The five sheaths are all modifications of Prakriti, or primordial matter. They do not possess absolute reality. Whatever reality they are perceived to possess is due to Atman's being their Substratum. It must also be remembered that the sheaths are not real coverings of the infinite Atman. They only appear to be so when the true Knowledge of the Self is forgotten. The Light of Atman shines in varying measure through the different sheaths according to their composition. The true glory of Atman, unobstructed by any sheath, is fully realized by the aspirant when, through discrimination and detachment, self-control and meditation, he no longer identifies himself with the sheaths or with any other modification of maya, such as the sense-organs, the mind, the buddhi, or the ego, but is completely absorbed in the Self. Untouched by the five sheaths, Witness of the three states, Atman is the unchanging and unsullied Reality, knowledge of which enables one to break the bondage of the relative world and attain Supreme Blessedness.

It may be contended that, after the negation of the five sheaths and the mind and ego as unreal, one finds nothing but a void, the utter absence of everything. What entity then remains with which the illumined soul may realize its identity? In answer it is said by the Vedantist that only after such negation can a man realize Atman, which is devoid of attributes, is of the nature of Pure Consciousness, and is the Witness of the various modifications of Prakriti seen in the waking and the dream state, such as the mind, the body, and the senses, and also of their absence in profound sleep or in samadhi. It may be called contentless Consciousness in which both subject and object merge and disappear. It cannot be the void, for one emerging from the experience of Self-Knowledge shows a richer and enhanced personality. Atman, or Brahman, is, according to Vedanta, the real essence of man. After the realization of this all-pervading Consciousness, a man discovers his true Self, just as, after entering the ocean, a river, discarding name and form, finds its real source and ultimate goal.

When the five sheaths are negated, the body, the mind, the buddhi, and the other modifications of ignorance, and the different reflections of the Self in them, are also negated. And when all these illusory objects disappear, there shines the real Atman, eternal, omnipresent, and all-powerful, realizing which within himself a man becomes free from sin, fear, grief, taint, and death and becomes the embodiment of Bliss.

[sarabatam]

Another light bulb ...in the awake state awareness is in the eyes, in deep sleep where there is no thoughts ..awareness is in right chest area ...turiya is conscious of right heart side while awake. Feeling of coolness and blue heart and quiet , forne naturally goes quiet.

Reference: Sant isher singh ji ears sahib tapes raja janak divan, Sant darshan singh dhakkiwale and plenty of gurbani quotes you will find regarding nij ghar and hirde

My own thoughts You actually don't need chakra system for this.. although helpful not needed. Prema bhagti.

 

 

[ragnarok]

I thought nij ghar is through the crown, above dasam duar?

[sarabatam]

It's actually both, soul or turiya access points in dasam dwar and hirde. Please see atma partibimb see discussion with Sant jagjit singh harkhowale 2017 tape on gurmatveechar.

[sarabatam]

Another Light bulb , the.reason soul residence is at both locations. Let's say someone has mental or Brain disability cannot handle the dasam dwar sadhana or chakra system. There is still hope for those at spiritual heart level at the right / hirde or nij ghar Whole Sikhi is game of love.