Homer Simpson Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 http://iworld.proweblog.com/blog/archives/2005/08/26/145/ http://www.viewzone.com/abraham.html Very interesting, rather pleasing to the Indian mind, one might say! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I dont see Javanmard agreeing to these views? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Well the argument is simple: The portuguese word for knife is faca (pronounce fucker), this clearly proves that there has been English influence on Portugal. I mean the link between faca and fucker is the same as Brahma and Abraham. See this is Hindu logic! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Simpson Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 That doesnt proove anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 YOu're a genius Tej. See that's like Abraham and Brahma...doesn't prove anything! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Simpson Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Whos Tej? And also it doesnt deny the links are there also does it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Simpson Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Islamic tradtions have been influenced by Indian traditons, never the less...whats more is that the Jewish mystical traditon of the Kabala actually took ideas from India.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Simpson Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 You shouldnt mock 'Hindu' logic...its obviuolsy not as simple as you put it, with your example of a knife. There are far more links regarding this topic than the mere pronounciation of a name and or term! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Look if anything Brahma is archangel Jibreel as it was revealed by Dara Sukoh the friend of Guru Hari Rai! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Simpson Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 yes! I was expecting the famous Javanmard diversion of everything to Islam...no need to use the names of Guru Har Rai Ji as a means to validate your claims! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I don't think they mean the literal creative personality of God was Abraham, but rather "a Brahman", who would have been part of an Indian migration to the west... In any case, is Jibreel not the Angel of death as opposed to Brahma the Creator? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 nope Azrael is the angel of death 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawrof Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 azrael is the angel of death, The video of baba jagjit singh harkowal wallay attests to this as well about jibreel. I am sure he has read this elsewhere as well as he is a vedantist and much of his thinkset comes from that angle...although he interestingly quotes shams tabriz often. To say that he has or hasn't read dara shikoh isn't my call. If anyone wants the link, I'll go the extent of giving googlevideo references and the name of the lecture 'thin cheeja mardeeya, bandhay nu choot, jhoot te naari' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Apologies. Could you kindly expand on the Dara Sukoh statement.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 instead of saying its all hindu, or all islamic, one should say "its all divine" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylitol Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 could you provide the link for baba ji's katha please? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawrof Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Xylitol, I appreciate you allowing me the opportunity to share the link here it is: http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-13...h&plindex=2 for those who don't have time to listen go to 37.20 - 37.44 for those who want to understand more everything upto this point is very invaluable! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylitol Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Excellent link. Finally some quality katha. This is a correct interpretation representing what Sikhi should have been: the bridge between Islam and the Indian traditions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Javanmard can you clarify the name of the angel who is the the equivalent to Vishnu which Baba Jagjeet SIngh Ji mentions As far as i knew there are four main angels in Islam; Jibreel (Garbrail), Michel (Micheal. These were the two angels that clensed the heart of the prophet and fought in battle in the army of the prophet. The other two are Azrael who i am sure Guru Arjan Dev Ji mention as the angel of death in bani and Israfal who is supposed to deal with those who are condemned to hell. Apologies if it is incorrect and if it is can you correct it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 The referance to Azrael is on Panna 315 of Sri Gruu Granth Sahib Ji by Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji it is the last line in pauri 27 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Is Azrael = Dharmraja? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Yes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Yes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Dharamraj is the righteous judge and judges people according to their sins and fruit of good deeds. The Angels of death are different and present the soul in front of Dharamraj. From my understanding, Dharamraj is different to Azrael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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