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ਦੂਜੈ ਲਗੇ ਪਚਿ ਮੁਏ ਮੂਰਖ ਅੰਧ ਗਵਾਰ ॥
Attached to duality, the foolish, blind and stupid people waste away and die.
 

ਅੰਤਰਿ ਵਸਤੁ ਮੂੜਾ ਬਾਹਰੁ ਭਾਲੇ ॥
Deep within the self is the secret, but the fool looks for it outside.
ਜਿਉ ਜਿਉ ਚਲਹਿ ਚੁਭੈ ਦੁਖੁ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਜਮਕਾਲੁ ਸਹਹਿ ਸਿਰਿ ਡੰਡਾ ਹੇ ॥੨॥
The more they walk away, the deeper it pierces them, and the more they suffer in pain, until finally, the Messenger of Death smashes his club against their heads.
ਸਚੁ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਕਰਣੀ ਸੋ ਕਰੇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਹੋਇ ਪਰਗਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Practicing truth, self-discipline and good deeds, the Gurmukh is enlightened. ||1||Pause||
ਹਉਮੈ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਵਦੇ ਜਮਡੰਡੁ ਲਗੈ ਤਿਨ ਆਇ ॥
Those who go around acting in egotism are struck down by the Messenger of Death with his club.
ਜਮ ਕਾ ਡੰਡੁ ਮੂੰਡ ਮਹਿ ਲਾਗੈ ਖਿਨ ਮਹਿ ਕਰੈ ਨਿਬੇਰਾ ॥੩॥
When the Messenger of Death strikes him with his club, in an instant, everything is settled. ||3||
ਨਾਮੁ ਬਿਸਾਰਿ ਲੋਭਿ ਮੂਲੁ ਖੋਇਓ ਸਿਰਿ ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇ ਕਾ
ਡੰਡੁ ਪਰੇ ॥੧੦॥
Forgetting the Naam, and caught by greed, he betrays his own source; the club of the Righteous Judge of Dharma will strike him over the head. ||10||
ਅਮਲੁ ਕਰਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਬੀਜੁ ਸਬਦੋ ਕਰਿ ਸਚ ਕੀ ਆਬ ਨਿਤ ਦੇਹਿ ਪਾਣੀ ॥
Make good deeds the soil, and let the Word of the Shabad be the seed; irrigate it continually with the water of Truth.
ਆਸਾ ਬੰਧਿ ਚਲਾਈਐ ਮੁਹੇ ਮੁਹਿ ਚੋਟਾ ਖਾਇ ॥
Bound by desire, they are led on, beaten and struck on their faces and mouths.
ਸਾਚੇ ਮੈਲੁ ਨ ਲਾਗਈ ਮਨੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਇ ॥
The truthful ones are not stained by filth. Meditating on the Lord, their minds remain pure.
 
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਵਣੀ ਸਚੁ ਘਟਿ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
The Gurmukh practices good deeds, and the truth is revealed in the heart.

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ Siree Raag, First Mehl:  ਸੁੰਞੀ ਦੇਹ ਡਰਾਵਣੀ ਜਾ ਜੀਉ ਵਿਚਹੁ ਜਾਇ ॥ The empty body is dreadful, when the soul goes out from within.  ਭਾਹਿ ਬਲੰਦੀ ਵਿਝਵੀ ਧੂਉ ਨ ਨਿਕਸਿਓ ਕਾਇ ॥ The burning fire of life is extinguished, and the smoke of the breath no longer emerges.  ਪੰਚੇ ਰੁੰਨੇ ਦੁਖਿ ਭਰੇ ਬਿਨਸੇ ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ॥੧॥ The five relatives (the senses) weep and wail painfully, and waste away through the love of duality. ||1||  ਮੂੜੇ ਰਾਮੁ ਜਪਹੁ ਗੁਣ ਸਾਰਿ ॥ You fool: chant the Name of the Lord, and preserve your virtue.  

ਦੂਜੈ ਲਗੇ ਪਚਿ ਮੁਏ ਮੂਰਖ ਅੰਧ ਗਵਾਰ ॥
Attached to duality, the foolish, blind and stupid people waste away and die.
 

ਅੰਤਰਿ ਵਸਤੁ ਮੂੜਾ ਬਾਹਰੁ ਭਾਲੇ ॥
Deep within the self is the secret, but the fool looks for it outside.
ਜਿਉ ਜਿਉ ਚਲਹਿ ਚੁਭੈ ਦੁਖੁ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਜਮਕਾਲੁ ਸਹਹਿ ਸਿਰਿ ਡੰਡਾ ਹੇ ॥੨॥
The more they walk away, the deeper it pierces them, and the more they suffer in pain, until finally, the Messenger of Death smashes his club against their heads.
ਸਚੁ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਕਰਣੀ ਸੋ ਕਰੇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਹੋਇ ਪਰਗਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Practicing truth, self-discipline and good deeds, the Gurmukh is enlightened. ||1||Pause||
ਹਉਮੈ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਵਦੇ ਜਮਡੰਡੁ ਲਗੈ ਤਿਨ ਆਇ ॥
Those who go around acting in egotism are struck down by the Messenger of Death with his club.
ਜਮ ਕਾ ਡੰਡੁ ਮੂੰਡ ਮਹਿ ਲਾਗੈ ਖਿਨ ਮਹਿ ਕਰੈ ਨਿਬੇਰਾ ॥੩॥
When the Messenger of Death strikes him with his club, in an instant, everything is settled. ||3||
ਨਾਮੁ ਬਿਸਾਰਿ ਲੋਭਿ ਮੂਲੁ ਖੋਇਓ ਸਿਰਿ ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇ ਕਾ
ਡੰਡੁ ਪਰੇ ॥੧੦॥
Forgetting the Naam, and caught by greed, he betrays his own source; the club of the Righteous Judge of Dharma will strike him over the head. ||10||
ਅਮਲੁ ਕਰਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਬੀਜੁ ਸਬਦੋ ਕਰਿ ਸਚ ਕੀ ਆਬ ਨਿਤ ਦੇਹਿ ਪਾਣੀ ॥
Make good deeds the soil, and let the Word of the Shabad be the seed; irrigate it continually with the water of Truth.
ਆਸਾ ਬੰਧਿ ਚਲਾਈਐ ਮੁਹੇ ਮੁਹਿ ਚੋਟਾ ਖਾਇ ॥
Bound by desire, they are led on, beaten and struck on their faces and mouths.
ਸਾਚੇ ਮੈਲੁ ਨ ਲਾਗਈ ਮਨੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਇ ॥
The truthful ones are not stained by filth. Meditating on the Lord, their minds remain pure.
 
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਵਣੀ ਸਚੁ ਘਟਿ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
The Gurmukh practices good deeds, and the truth is revealed in the heart.

Thanks bro.
Dhan Dhan Srimaan 108 Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh jee Khalsa Bhindrawale
Dhan Dhan Dhan Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj

Gurbani says Shagan Apsagan Tis Ko Lage... find the shabad,
these things affect those who do not chant name of God.   I am not deniying the existene of negative forces & entities, but as a Sikh if we are withing the hukum of Guru Sahib & chanting naam we should be okay.
As for your question, people use many techniques to use negative forces or kala jaadu, Negative entities are attracted to feces, bad smell, alcohol, prostitution, lust, abandoned buildings. Some people try to capture these entities for their own selfish use. People who mess with such things end destroyed themselves in the end. For nazar people use salt and chillis etc etc
Most of the times we use superstitions to hide our own faults and make excuses.
From Gurmat view, Dada Dos Na Deo Kise... Do not blame others, I get whatever I did.

Does anyone remember the story where Bhagat Kabir Ji asked Mata Loi to explain what a woman's charitar mean ? Mata Ji said she would explain in due time.
Then Mata Loi Ji played a charitar. The story goes... two devotess came to visit Bhagat Ji. Bhagat Ji was not at home. There was a stick & a rope lying down. Devotees asked what were those for. Mata Ji said Bhagat ji ties his devotees with rope & beats them up. Devotees were scared & walked away. Bhagat Ji came home, and inquired about the rope & stick. Mata Ji said those two devotees left it. Bhagat ji took the rope & stick and went after devotees. Devotees saw Bhagat ji after them,  they thought Bhagat ji was going to beat them up, they started running away even faster and eventually ran away. Bhagat Ji returned and asked Mata ji , what was all that.
Mata Ji replied that was a minor charitari, not even a charitar. thus giving a hint into the more dangerous charitars that can be played. Bhagat Ji said ram ram, I am satisfied with your answer.

this story if awesomely funny lol

Charitarpakhiyan means shades or types of characters. Only those morons call it "wiles of women" in order to further their agenda.
It is like Aesops fables but with a more intense message. It talks about good and bad characters/characteristics of people. It is not aimed at degrading women (as that liar Asatkirin has claimed ) just as Aesops fables aren't saying that all  "Hares" in this world are not good for nothing, show-offy, arrogant things (which I can see in Sikh-khoj bless him).
It was their characteristics that Aesop told in order to educate humans. Gurbani also uses animal characteristics to educate humans.
Now why should/could Guru Ji write about this? If any of you had heard the story about Kalyig when he took his roop and confronted Guru Nanak, he was holding his tongue in one hand and his penis in the other. Kalyug was demonstrating to Guru Ji that in this era these two senses would be so strong that humans would not be able to confront or control them. To me CharitarPakhyan is just an extension of the spiritual (miri)teaching in Gurbani, in a more social, political (piri)form. It talks about the weaknesses of men and women, and the bravery and astuteness of both genders as well.
Then there is the sakhi of Bhagat Faird, who was confronted by the prostitute in his village about whether his beard was better than the dog's tail. Bhagat Ji only answered her on his death-bed and and her questioning why the delay in answering, Bhagat Ji replied that "this mann is so fickle, who knows whether it could have resisted". If you have heard the sakhi you will know what I'm taalking about.
My Vidya Guru also told me about this type of stuff and about how the rarest of men are able to control themselves in these situations.

I was at a nihang taksal and they give santheya of Sri charitarpkhyian to bibi's as well. So Satkiran please don't think that only males read it. There are many instances as well that male treachery are accounted for in Sri charitarpkhyian. The name of Sri charitarpkhyian actually means the wiles of humans. 

This is in reply to material posted by a Guest in other thread. I will speak from personal experience and my personal beliefs in Guru Ji. I do not care about the authenticity of Charitropakhyan from historical perspective. Since, the Chaupai Sahib is well approved by all the Panth, Charitropakhyan comes along with it. Baba Nand Singh ji took the rehraas from Hazoor Sahib, which includes the dohra about 405 Charitars. If there was anything controversial , Baba Ji will not have approved it. That alone is enough for me personally to have faith in words of Guru and Sant Mahapurush, I will not  change that at any cost, no matter how many historical sources this and that you provide me.
There are two questions that I would like to address, and some questions that I would like to ask Anti-charitropakhyan people in the end.
1) How can Guru Gobind Singh Ji write erotica ?
2) If this is bani, why is it not read in front of sangat in diwans ?
 
Ans 1 : Can Guru Ji write erotica ? It really is the fault of those who view it as erotica. When they make such a statement, they are basically assuming that Guru ji is on the same mental level as them. They assume that Guru Ji is affected by Lust, that Guru Ji will get excited when they will write such erotic material or tales. They assume that Guru ji like us find the form of woman attractive or get desires just like them. These people view Guru as a normal human being with desires like them. They think that Guru ji finds this material sexy, just like they do. They are making all these assumption based on their human nature. They do not know anything about the nature of their Guru. They are judging Guru based on their limited experience of reality & bondage of sexual desires, and their own insecurity. Just like no one can know about God, no one can know about the Nature of Guru. We can only say he is beyond and beyond. Neo Singh often does a good job in describing such states of non-duality untouched complete awareness, as evident from Akal Ustat.
          Now I will give my own example. I went through medical school. I have touched breasts, I have done manual vaginal physical examinations with my hands touching each and every portion you can imagine, I have done Pap Smear examinations taking samples from the cervix, I have assisted in deliveries of babies and witnessed the tearing & all the emotional drama. I have witnessed the female form in its fullest, deepest & grossest state. I have dissected bodies, penises and vaginas.   Do you know what was the state of my mind during my exposure ?
                        It was neutral. There was no sexual feelings associated with anything at all. Instead the opposite happened. My libido had decreased to zero after doing those pap smears and handling crazy mothers during delivery. I was not excited at all at the sight of breast or female form.  I was just in that state. The atmosphere was very professional & such thoughts never arose. Thus, if someone like me , who is lowly nothing, can experience this state of non-attachment to female body & loss of libido after so much exposure, do you think that Guru Gobind Singh Ji  who is the creator himself, the one who created Maya will be affected when writing sexual descriptive tales.
 
Ans 2 :   If this is bani, why is it not read in front of sangat in diwans ?
Consider this bani as something which is for certain advanced Sikhs who hold positions of great responsibility spiritually and politically, or saints who need to learn the antics of great maya before they can reach their ultimate goal.  Only those who are medical students & Doctors are allowed to witness & perform the procedures on female body that I mentioned above. Not every joe blow can come in and touch a woman's breast. This is years of rigorous training for a transformation of a medical student into a doctor or surgeon. Think of medical student as someone who risen above sexual desires and surgeon as a brahmgyani who reached his final destination.
If you teach this bani to someone who has not even read Guru Granth Sahib or has not even risen above the Lust, it will definitely seem as erotica. And all these people are only projecting their own insecurities , fears and weaknesses through their anti-charitropakhyan stance.
 
3) Why so many graphic details ?
 When you want to bring a piece to life, details are included from a poetic standpoint.  The details of sex positions, the voices of bed squeaking, ejaculation of sperm, deceit, or others etc recreate the scene and bring it to life. If you are getting excited reading this then you have a lot of work to do. Obviously, this was not meant for everyone. If you are getting weak in your knees reading this obviously you need to do a lot of work. Go apply Guru Granth Sahib in your life before you get to reading these so called erotic tales.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

This is a joke. You are manipulating texts for the sake of winning debates! As other people have said: Go do something useful such as naam simran instead of manipulating the writings of your ancestors. You are a utter joke.. This is actually the first time in an online debate that im actually pissed off!! How dare you!!
 
The readers have seen your true colors now!
 
Im out. My benti to all readers is to boycut this fool! He aint worth the time. Go seek some mental help!

All right mate, i'm not patient enough for these teenage games you keep pulling. I've already written three times by now that Rattan Singh Jaggi has left out the fourth stanza from the sakhi as well as ALL lines after the tenth..
Enjoy debating yourself. Im out

Chalo reinforces my point SinghSabha Ji. Hahahahahahahahahaha

Mate the burden is on you. You say this granth backs up your view point, so bring it. Lets see what it says.  This topic is about the Mahima Prakash - not about other writings of 18th century.
Cheers for posting. Im looking forward to reading the sakhi.

It does'nt print the whole sakhi. For some reason the fourth verse has been omitted and it ends at the tenth line. We need the whole sakhi if we are to discuss it's insights to the Chaubis Avatar and Charitro Pakhyan.
 
I dont really understand.. You should be thrilled to debate this topic since the sakhi is in your favour?

What do you mean whatever? I'll repeat.
 
Sikhkhoj:
You are the one who claim that the Mahima Prakash is in your favour. Therefore it is your responsobility to provide the text so we can all use it as a point of departure.
The same way Bhagat Singh provided the text from the Bansavalinama and I scannde pages from it to back up my points as we went along. Since this topic is about a specific sakhi in a specific book, the least you can do is to provide proper context for the discussion to took place.

Or did you expect a one way communication where you just post a source and says "this backs up my claim" lets discuss! with no one having the book? You actually want to sit and discuss a sakhi from a book where you dont even know if anyone has the book ?? Come on.. Lets do this the right way. You have the book, take picture with your phone and upload. Takes less than two minutes.

Vaheguru
We have vishvaash.

akaal ! Akaal

We have Maharajs word. Do we need to look elsewhere?

Sikhkhoj:
You are the one who claim that the Mahima Prakash is in your favour. Therefore it is your responsobility to provide the text so we can all use it as a point of departure.
The same way Bhagat Singh provided the text from the Bansavalinama and I scannde pages from it to back up my points as we went along. Since this topic is about a specific sakhi in a specific book, the least you can do is to provide proper context for the discussion to took place.

Or did you expect a one way communication where you just post a source and says "this backs up my claim" lets discuss! with no one having the book? You actually want to sit and discuss a sakhi from a book where you dont even know if anyone has the book ?? Come on.. Lets do this the right way. You have the book, take picture with your phone and upload. Takes less than two minutes.

SO MUCH ANAND!!!!!

You CANNOT separate Chaupai Sahib and Sri Charitropakhyan 

From Chaupai Sahib...

Also 

From Chaupai Sahib

"The Granth where the fallacies of kings, ministers, and women are described"...

^ To the people who claim that Sri Charitropakhyan is sexist....