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Yeah but then you open up the topic of people being allowed to remain owners of their own ancestral lands. I'm not doubting that whites did do all those developmental things you talk about - but does that justify land grabs and subjugation? What about all the savagery that lies behind it - that most whites shy away from facing - is that justified? 
Should people be allowed to live like their culture dictates on their own land essentially? Even if this is deemed 'inferior' or 'under-developed'  by other communities standards? Or does this lack of development by western standards justify violent land grabs in order to 'civilise' these people? 
And was the purpose of these invaders ever actually about some perceived benevolence towards the original inhabitants, or where they just seen as objects/obstacles to their own aspirations and agendas. 
If you're going to talk about the violence and savagery in SA right now, can you honestly say that this is definitely not a consequence of white interjection and the changes it causes to society?   Because, from what it looks like, wherever they go - this is how things end up eventually. Look  at our own traditional homeland and partition for an example close to home. You can see the madness that was brought about in Iraq and Syria recently too. 

Veer ji i really like the points you have written as it does make sense about the dinosaurs and does sound confusing about their existance in older religious texts.
 
But you are right all the theories about human coming from monkey is all wrong and i feel sorry for who ever believes in those stories and where ever they came from. As its not a tree growing experiment coming from monkey then becoming a human.
 
The whole industry you mentioned veer ji is based on nastik people who don't believe in God at all. So i try to avoid that sort of stuff and influences.
 
 

Wholeheartedly agree with you Veerji. No way in hell did we originate from monkeys. If we did evolve from monkeys,why didn't monkeys evolve into humans already?
I am convinced this is an Internationalist Money Masters/Capitalists plot to corrupt education system and the sciences with rubbish so as to "Debunk" religion and to lead the masses into consumerism. You can read up on this online. The International Money Masters that Invented and even funded Communism(Jacob Schiff) wanted to create a new man whose only duty in life was to consume. Thats all. No divinity, no God. Just food,sex and getting intoxicated. It is designed to keep the masses under control of the minority Capitalist elite.
In the same breath I also don't believe in dinosaurs as it's a creation of the 20th century. Again the goal was the same. To debunk God and religion and create a multi billion dollar bullshit industry that still infects this world today. Factories in China have been exposed manufacturing so called "Dinosaur bones". Of course skeptics would say " but they measured the age of the bones to be millions of years old". But again,all testing facilities are under their control and they all cover up for each other for economic reasons as to not kill their multi billion dollar golden goose.

Thanks for sharing veer ji its really nice to hear Sant Ji's bachan

Importance of jat sat:
 

This was quite interesting despite the bad translations
 

Thanks very much veer ji for sharing. Daas is a really big premi of Harkowale Sahib

Veer ji science says a lot of stuff that i find hard to believe especially things like the big bang theory or how humans came from monkey apes. So i usually avoid listening to that sort of topics.
 
Also in Chandi Di Vaar in the 2nd pauri its written that kaal maya was the first thing created meaning the khanda. Here is 2 audio katha tracks by Sant Jarnail Singh Ji  and Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji.
 
 
 

Have a look through the below.....
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Gurfateh all,
Just passing by, wanted to post Adyatam questions and answers by Sant Jagjit Singh Harkhowale 2017 trip to toronto, they are deep answers as usual clears lot of doubts, give deep insight of gurbani and also into state of bhramgyan:
http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio.php?q=f&f=%2FKatha%2F02_Present_Day_Katha%2FBaba_Jagjit_Singh_(Harkhowal_wale)%2FDiscussions_Questions_and_Answers%2F2017
 
 

So, is the void nothing, yet everything. Nothing because it is unmamifest therefore free of maya. Yet, everything because maya... well, basically everything originates from it?

That's good understanding,, but we have to keep an open mind and some of these vichaars have depths beyond our reach. I have tried to keep it simplistic and this is mostly my own understanding and interpretation. All errors are mine and i stand corrected.
 
It's a deep question, but as you mention, chetan dissolves completely into atma at brahmgyan avastha. You can tell that Babaji has a deep and profound understanding of this and it's difficult to put in words for common man.  He's answered a question using chosen words that cover a lot of scope and I'm certain that he could talk for hours about this topic alone. He’s also given some subtle hints that should be thought provoking depending on seeker’s intellect.
I do have a hell of a lot to say about atma and chetan/chit,(consciousness), but it’s really recognized through effort and experience.   For now, I’ll briefly share a few points in line with what Babaji said, and you may realise why I really admired his words.
For arguments sake, lets stick with the terms -
Atma=Soul,
Paramatma= Supreme single soul/nirankar
Chit/Chetun=Consciousness. 
To recognise and differentiate between them, is fundamental for realisation; in my opinion.
Imagine the universe at a moment before creation. Gurbani tells us that only he was present, and he was within himself. “Sargun Nirgun Nirankar sunn samadhi aap - apan keea Nanaka aapey hi phir jaap”. Visualise this for a second to picture the creation happening after this moment. That moment was the “ONG” or the big-bang.  Remember the meaning of IK-ONG-KAR.  Ik= singularity of one before creation.  Then came the “ONG” shabad sound, followed by the “KAR”(creation). The doer(IK) did the creation(KAR) with the Ong
Gurbani says “sunn samadhi aap” he was in primal samadhi in the void within himself. This “within himself” in sunn samadhi is crucial because when referring to that moment before creation; nothing had been created yet. At that point, it was just ‘IK’
It may help if you imagine a still, single point as IK. The big bang theory even calls this the 'moment of singularity'. It is at this stage, when there were no manifestation of Sargun or Nirgun, but it was just Nirankar himself. (No akaar =Nirankar, whereas Sargun & nirgun are akaar)
Bearing this in mind, it can help understand why two terms translated as formless (nirgun and nirankar) are used.  Nirgun, refers to  ‘after creation’ meaning = without form, without attributes etc.  Nirankar refers to that singularity, the IK himself before any creation, before any akaar. Now, when we bring in Atma and Chetan, it can help understand where they fit in. The topic itself is huge because it brings in everything like manmat, gurmat, brahmagyan, turiya avastha and much more of gurbani from comprehending this Ik-ong-kar alone along Nirankar (without akaar or consciousness)
When IK is by itself, just before moment of ong-kar, then we could also say that the almighty single soul/atma is Paramatma. It may be helpful to visualise a light(jyot) that is akin to a singularity point or dot… imagine this jyot as not radiating and not yet emitting light to the surroundings. It’s that trillionth of a second from when you turn the light switch on in a dark room, to when the room lights up. The moment when the bulb filament has just ignited and the luminosity is still within the bulb and not expanded out into the room. In this trillionth of a sec, the MOTION is not in play yet…This motion that I’m referring to is what came into play from the IK. This is the Consciousness. It is the Chetan or Chit within, and around us.
As the jyot or Ik, begins to radiate outwards and expand, we could say that it’s all executed via an increasing flux of Chetan/Consciousness. The expanding universe and worlds were created in this instant. We also know, that he is STILL creating because science tells us the universe is still expanding.  The “kar” is done but is also continuing to be created.
Q) What happened at the moment of Ong-kar/creation and what changed about God?
A) Initially, God was in a primal nothingness void and in deep samadhi within himself. There was no creation yet. Whereas after, he became God the creator, and he is now the creator and creation itself.  Gurbani refers to this attribute as “Gobind” ( lord of the universe)
According to old texts and to my understanding, this moment of creation when consciousness came into play, is when duality was created. Prior to this, there were no duality except atam/paramatma.
-The Ik was singular, ..Advait(non-dual)..........Atam, Paramatam was singular..........-no motion or time in play. 
This is the Shiv-shakti, with the shakti being the consciousness.
Babaji mentions this in the recording and refers to Chetan as the shakti which is everywhere and comes from Paramatma.
  He gave the analogy of the electrical items like bulb, heater etc that won’t work or become active unless the shakti of electric flow is present.  In the same manner, consciousness is active in the whole of existence.
   You may be aware that for some years now, quantum physics has determined that the whole universe is very much alive with this “consciousness”.  It’s also important to understand that consciousness/chetan is dualistic. When this consciousness came into existence; it started to emanate and expand outwards from Paramatma. This is when duality also became a reality.
 
In summary, …
*very original point of IK, or that non-emitting jyot is Paramatma,... this is also NIRANKAR (without consciousness and without akar)  NOTE- GOD"S consciousness was all within himself and not in creation
*The enormous flux of energy/shakti that has radiated and expanded out from it, is  the Consciousness/Chetan.
May also try and picture as if trillions of photons/light particles emanating outwards, are “atma’s” coming from Paramatma.  In Babaji’s recording where he gave the analogy of the electric current akin to Chetan/consciousness, he said the Chetan is a shakti flowing around and within us.  Just like electrical items and appliances, our indries(senses and motor functions), are all controlled and functioning under the Chetan/Consiocusness. Even the involuntary organs function through the same consciousness via subtle energies/prana.  The Consciousness stems from the atma that we have inside us. Babaji gave analogy of root and stem. Just like the mind, we can merge the consciousness into the atma/paramatma. He gave example of Bhai Mani Singh and how he directed his Chetan away from all indiries and sareer, and channeled it into the atam. All that remained was the atam in it’s purest state  This is the inner yoga, where one “jog’s”(joins) the consciousness into the soul.
 

Some scientists say that the Universe began from nothing. Does that contradict with the beginning of the universe in Sikhism? Does "nothing" truly exist? If Vaheguru is omnipresent, therefore is present everywhere always, that contradicts the nature of "nothingness" or is "nothing" just the absence of maya (matter)? 

Here is a interesting saakhi about a sevadar of Baba Ji
 

A really good saakhi i found today about Sant Ji
 
 

A big thank you to the brother in the video who shared his experiences with Thomas Clark, giving the rest of the panth a heads up. Especially the hordes of naive gullible people. 

Warning: Keep alert
 

Here is a new track i heard today by Baba Hari Singh about how namdharis came with rifles to see Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale.
886_An_Incident_from_the_life_of_Sant_Jarnail_Singh_Bhindrawale.mp3

That guy is a straight up missionary. IMO he is worse than dhadri. 

This one is really eye opening too. I like the fearless way he has dissected US/European history. I saw the complete shyte hole the former soviet union had become in the cold war on tv. Goray would gloat at it. It was a dire, bombed out place with starving people having to form massive queues for simple basic food. 
The way Putin has put the place back on the map is an example for us all on a raj-niti tip. Yeah, I know he's probably had to deal with all manner of 'strong-arm' people and do all sorts of dark ish to do it, but he made his country into something out of nothing in front of our eyes. You got to respect that. 
 

No worries, mate
Dhan Dhan Guru Ramdas ji Maharaj.

No worries, mate
Dhan Dhan Guru Ramdas ji Maharaj.

No worries, mate
Dhan Dhan Guru Ramdas ji Maharaj.

Thank u so much dost ❤️🙏
Yes u r right in getting reminded of the sakhi above. ( it was not just any Sikh ) it was Guru RAMDAS Sahib himself before becoming Guru ( as Bhai Jettha ji) who bought ripe mangoes for Guru Amardas Sahib ji but had to eat them himself remembering his Guru.
But yes got the point.. As they say it's all about jin prem kiyo whatever way that may be expressed... 
Thanks again.