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One leg of the Chownki on which Guru Amar Das Ji was sitting broke and immediately Bibi Bhani his daughter put her foot under it so that her father Guru Amardas ji may not fall. A nail of the broken Chownki pierced the foot of Bibi Bhani and blood started flowing. When Guru Amar Das ji completed his bath he noticed a trail of blood flowing and was so pleased with his daughter that he told her Bibi I am very happy with you Please ask any wish and I will grant it. Bibi Bhani immediately said Guru Sahib my wish is that†ghar di cheez ghar vich he rawa†further she sait that guruai mera pati noon mila aur mur is ghar vichon bahar noon jawa (she said that the relics of Guru Nanak and the Gur Gaddi should not go out of the family). In other words she had asked that the Gur Gaddi should remain within the family she also specified that the Gur Gaddi should be given to her husband and should remain in the family forever. this is the sakhi that shows that the gurgaddi could not have gone to Bhai Balaak Singh who not being in the same family or sodhi lineage of the Guru's. This is one sakhi that namdharis have never heard of.

did charan pahul not end on vasiakhi. from what little i know Guru Ji first prepared charan pahul and then threw it into the sutlej, saying that the intitiation of sikhs thru charan pahul is over. in its place will be khande ki pahul. chatanga

yeh my relatives are devotees of Vadbhag Singh. They have been for ages, and they know everything about Baba Ji and his history. I asked my nephew once " why did Guru Arjan have to become shaheed.?" The 26 year old punjabi born devotee of Vadbhag Singh had no idea. And the site says that Baba Ji is the 7th descendant of Guru Maharaaj.

informative ? theres very little info on it . 80 % of the SIkhs being sehajdhari seems a lot to me. I hiope it aint a website to provide excuses for sikhs who dont want to keep thier kes because they wanna follow the ways of the world. As Bhagat Kabir warns us " following the ways of the world you lose your religion, but the world will not follow you in the end. the fool strikes his own foot with the axe in his own hand." chatanga

sorry i have no idea as i never watch channel panjab in the mornings. are they from india or uk?

have katha of chandi ki war by Sant Gurbachan Singh. T Kaur i suggest you visit www.gurmatveechar.com for a lot of valuable katha and raag kirtan.

yes i have recording of Shounkie's dhadi vaar of heer ranjha

T kaur or in fact anyone else, do you know where on the net i canfind a song about the partition of panjab by manmohan waris, where he sings " panjab da dil pakistan vich reh geya" talking about nankana sahib. chatanga

plz explain

i think nandgarh was trying to make a point that the Nihang Samprdaye should be taking a lead in mattters such as these, whereas all they seem to be doing at the moment is drinking sukh-nidhaan. Its a fair point like I said. I for one wish that Nihangs Singhs would be more active on issues like these. hope that duznt offend.

nirmal refer to themselves as hindus so as not to fall under the category of sikhism which would place them and their places or worship under the jurisdiction of the sgpc. When i vivsited the udasi ashram of Sant Ishar Dass, his folowersa were adamant that they were NOT sikhs. chatanga

bathinda ssp naunihal singh is a chamcha of badal. he is very very close wiv sukhpreet badal, and he is the one that arested a british citizen in dec last year by the name of Paramjeet Singh Dhadi, who is anti-badal. All the charges and the framing of this man was done bynaunihal. now badal is getting back at ram rahim thru naunihal. so many top cops are close wiv politicians from all parties. since when has naunihal had a concience ? or any of the ravan sena that masquerades under the name of police.

the title of sant is so cheap these days so its no surprise that anyone uses it. Also how do you know that Dhadrinawale has no naam kamai? some people learn paath and nam japna very quickly. why can you be so sure that he has no kamai? the question youask, u can see answers for yourself at above link. dont misinterpret this in any way that im a supporter of Dhadrianwale. I think that he has brought more people to sikhi than i could in 5 lifetimes. chatanga

also what does matra mean and duz it need to be recited at any special time/occasion?

Megatron ? Kam1825? Strange choice. Actually he was my favourite when i was younger, but now I think i woudl go for optimus prime.

fateh jee NandGarh has a point , but so duz Mela Singh. The nihangs are the standing army of the Sikhs, but especaiilly over the last 20-30 years they have earned the title of drugusing layabouts, as a whole, which is a shame as there are some very very good people amongst the nihang samprdaye. However the SGPC is a rotten organisation which has moved far from its original aim from 1921. Over the last 10 years or so, its been under the control of power hungry sellout akalis. So it look like a case of the pot calling the kettle black as far as organisations go. However personally i know nothing about Mela Singh, but from what I know about Nandgarh from people who have met him, is he is a top bloke, with a tough stance on fundamental issues. lets hope they sort it out as only last year Baba Udey Singh was hugging Makar who they previously called malech.

What is happening is overdramatising of historical events, of which i have heard Sant Dhadrianwale do once or twice. However the parchaar that he does and the straightforward message of Sikhi that he promotes is very very good. My cousin has come back to sikhi after killing his kes about 5 years ago in punjab, after attending 3 of Sant Dhadrianwale diwans.

right now you are discussing whether they are shaheeds or not. This has been discussed in another section somewhere else. This is not what we are discussing now. What we are discussing are the fake encounters which the ravan sena used to kill/remove thousands of Sikhs. Illegally. that is the keyword here "illegally". If the ravan raj govt said yes we have killed those people and we are killers, then we could say that they have at least admitted that they are rakhsas. However the rakhsas claim to be saints, and upholders of international law, and ethics. they are rakhsas in devtas clothing. why pretend to be the worlds largest democracy? india is the snake that eats its children. so why are they hypcrits? and why are you a hypocrit jassa? chatanga

what does the word sain mean?

i mean if ur going in a battle and say to ur opponent if u hurt me in any ways i will get u in court ... then why are u in the battle ... and secondly why you want to govt ur fighting against to support you ??? if they are supporting you then why are u fighting against them .. jassa what you say above is correct. However what we are talking about is the people who did not in any way participate against the govt. Young men who were killed becasue they looked like terrorists. The ones who were in the batlle accepted shaheedi but these people were few and far between. Open your eyes jassa, you live in india but you seem to have been asleep. And you may not have meant to offend but you have. Should the world's largest hypocritical democracy not abide by the geneva convention?

I hope the police get their punishment for this, but seeeing as under ravan raj SIkhs killed over 23years ago have never received justice, i dont really think that ravan hakoomat will punish any of the ravan sena. india is the mother that kills its children.

very nice.

The congress and indirasur , first start a fire in 1978and then burn Guru Granth Sahib at chandokalan, and then when the fire gets out of control, think about making an appealfor peace and normalcy. What normalcy are they talking about? There never was normalcy at all in Panjab, just ravan raj.

the top line has the letters " M Z E" the bottom line has the letters " MA TA GAL" have absolutely no idea what langwij or words these are. chatanga

I saw " The first samurai " for the last time and I think you are right intheory. The problem is that the Nihang Dals have done themselves nofavours to begin with. especially over the last 20 or so years. chatanga