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Sat Sri Akal: Well, Sikh women were given Kirpans too. Next time someone tries to take money away...chop chop... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Sat Sri Akal: here you go: http://keertan.waheguroo.com/index.wn?viewCat=140

Sat Sri Akal: "An argument often used by Muslims to refute Sikhism is; How is God timeless, yet part of His creation at the same time? I have been asked, how is God able to watch over His creation and run everything according to His will when he is part of his 'imperfect' creation, whilst being perfect Himself. " Are the Muslims you speak to the Almighty? If not, then how could they have full understanding of the Almighty?

Sat Sri Akal: Uh, Sardu, who's "we"? Define this we... "to whome we owe much much more..."

Sat Sri Akal: Fan of the rajma-chaul-dahi as well, but I hate to "toot my own horn" after eating this potent combo... Mmmmmm....Mugermuch Pakora...makes me want to go non-veg for a day... :wink:

Sat Sri Akal: Aw, c'mon...everybody knows women never lie... (uh-oh, I might have just lied... ) Khandaydhaar Ji, thank you for that post. Indeed, it is a great burden to lie. It leaves the mind heavy and remorseful.

Sat Sri Akal: You can go to here: http://www.sikhnet.com/Gurbani and enter "Shabad Hazare" into the search field, which should return 5 results. See if any of these are suitable...

Sat Sri Akal: Uh...yeah... Darned reptiles with their corny humor... :roll: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: (Note: Sarcasm IS above post).

Sat Sri Akal: I am going to be the Cliche King at this rate, but... "There's no place like home..." Amazing, yes...but as visitors. Sikhs need a home base, a land from which their power can eminate. We lack that, we lack a centralization and we lack a place to call our own.

Sat Sri Akal: Shabad Hazare mp3: http://keertan.waheguroo.com/index.wn?viewCat=155 Ardaas (and Nitnem Banis) Page 317: http://www.gurbanifiles.net/Nitnem%20by%20...la%20&%20PT.pdf Tell us if you need more...

Sat Sri Akal: "If you build it, they will come". Look at Israel (minus the politics and opinions). People from all over the world POURED into the country when its borders were established.

Sat Sri Akal: Science is rediculously uncertain. Balls yesterday, strings today, bozes tommorrow. It is very elegant, it all adds up, but there isn't a lick of evidence behind it. Einstein's word used to be stone and none could refute it. Now, they want to tear his words apart. Few decades from now, someone might rip string theory another strand... Give it time, it may be proven to be true. But it could also just be "fancy math" and not mean a darn thing.

Sat Sri Akal: Since when is it the proper behavior of a Sikh to insult another Sikh? --------------------------Edited: Rest of the Post-------------------------------- Mod's Note: Please control your anger. Read the post carefully. He is not calling 84 shaheeds fanatics here. He is calling people on internet forums.

Sat Sri Akal: Congratulations to the global Sikh community and the SikhAwareness forum!!!

Sat Sri Akal: Oh, you want lineages as evidence of sanctity and respect? Ok, here are some worthy of real "respect": What about the son of Guru Nanak Sahib, Lakhmi Das? What about Ram Rai? What about Dhirmal? What about Minas, Masands...were they not the desendents of those very people that the Gurus blessed? Lineage is NOTHING. What is important is that one live up to the standards of their task/identity/duty. What good is being the son of a Gursikh if if the son is a drunk womanizer who robs people? So if organizations think that being "old is gold" and expect royal treatment just because they have been around longer than others, expect a rude shock...

Sat Sri Akal: Next two words Amardeep Singh Ji are "giaa havaaee", which mean they (Guru Nanak Sahib and Pir Sahib's son) went airborne. I think Bachittar Natak explains this, Chamkila Sahib, in the desciption of Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib: (http://www.sikhs.org/transl9.htm) To protect the holy, he offered all he had., And lo, he offered his head, but uttered not a sigh of regret. (13) He suffered martyrdom for the sake of Religion. His head he gave, but not his honour. God’s men are, indeed ashamed to act Like showmen and perform tricks! (14) Having broken the (body’s) earthen pitcher On the head of the king of Delhi, He departed to the world of God. The powerful do not do tricks to amuse, impress or scare. But no mention is made that the powerful never use their power.

Sat Sri Akal: Eh? What happened to Tim McVeigh? Old Anglo-Saxon Christian took out a building... Then you got Israel President, who goes around doing helicopter attacks on Palestine... Then you got the Chinese who kill Tibetans... Etc...Etc...Etc... Essentially, every nation has produced some not-so-nice people. Just that the person who is asking the question forgets their peeps probably did something bad too. P.S. Mounted Police released a statement back in the day that said that if you want to know who blew up Air India plane, go look in Indian Embassy.

Sat Sri Akal: Nihal Kaur Ji, you can't be allergic to Sarbloh (pure iron). It's in the blood of every human (not a pun...the red stuff in blood IS iron!!!). Perhaps you have allergy to other metal in steel alloy? Try a pure iron Kara...

Sat Sri Akal: Words from the mouth of a Brahmin bootlicker.

Sat Sri Akal: Guru Nanak Sahib was definitely the first Sikh to travel outer space. He even beat the Russians!!!!! http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?Sour...o=01&Line_No=36 Yes...E.T. would have made a killer Sikh with a 4 foot dumalla and a three foot Kirpan...and his neck could have held about 40 chakkars!!!

Sat Sri Akal: As per Sumer Chauhan's article... "The Shri Guru Granth Sahib is the holy book of the Sikh people. It is divided into ten granths" Eh? It is divided into ten Granths??? Yeah, real educated. "Hargobind fortified Amritsar and built the Akal Takht, the throne of God, opposite Harmandir." That's GURU HARGOBIND SAHIB!!! No Sikh would ever show such disrespect towards the Gurus. "If the Guru Granth Sahib were to be examined, there is no difference between Hinduism and Sikhism because the Granth is based on the Hindu scriptures and beliefs. " Really...which one??? I can't find which Hindu granth the Guru Granth Sahib is based on can you? "An authority on modern Sikhism, Dr. Gopal Singh, indicated in his translation of Shri Guru Granth Sahib that the worship of Rama and Krishna is found in the Granth." Ok...Sumer does not know the difference between Ram Chandra and the ever-present Almighty. Raam, I believe, is a word that means that which is everywhere. It is an attribute, not a reference to Ram Chandra. "Individuals such as Bhai Kahn Singh are viewed as renegades within the Panth (Faith) and they have damaged the essential Sikh identity held by the Gurus and the martyrs. " Renegade? I thought he was considered a scholar...must be the RSS who considers him a renagade...ruined their plans with "Hum Hindu Nahin"...hehehe. "McLeod: "Who is a Sikh?" " Sure...reference the former Christian missionary who was HIRED by the proto-RSS to mis-represent the Sikhs...yeah... References to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib's lineage demarkated in the Bachittar Natak is relied upon heavily. Uh...Lord Rama (because his Rehat instructed him to do so) shot a lower caste beacuse he was reading a Hindu religious text under the command of a Brahmin. Guru Gobind Singh gave the same low castes the status of Kings and declared humanity equal. You think genetics had something to do with this??? "yet the Gurus, along with Guru Gobind Singh, stood firmly within the Hindu viewpoint." Yeah, the Guru Granth Sahib really regards Brahmins with really high regard. Just read Asa Di Vaar. "In the entire Guru Granth Sahib, the Vedas are respected and referred to as sacred. " Where??????? "It is a documented fact that Guru Nanak worshipped Krishna. Guru Nanak also recited the famous aarti (song of worship) of Ek Omkar which he composed in praise of Lord Jaganath of Puri. He also went on pilgrimage to Badri Nath which is sacred to Hindus. Guru Tegh Bahadur, tn pilgrimage to Jwalamukhi in Kangra. Guru Gobind Singh worshipped Durga and fought the mughals to free Ayodhya Masjid (the controversial mosque of Ayodhya). Guru Ramdas wore a Vaishnav tilak on his forehead. " WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There aren't enough four-lettered curses in the word to express my feelings. Nonsense... "The Kirpan (dagger) is also adopted from the martial tradition of the Rajputs carrying the Katar. The turban is a common headdress of the Hindu people of India and is not exclusively Sikh. The concept of uncut hair was introduced by the Tenth Guru and not before. " Back in the day, weaponry was carried by Muslims too. The Dastaar was also worn by the Muslims. The concept of uncut hair was there from the first Guru (was Guru Nanak Sahib a mona??? HA!!!). "Hari Singh Nalwa, the General of Maharajah Ranjit Singh was also a worshipper of Baba Balak Nath and Durga. " Where is that written? Or are we just making up history, like all Indian textbooks. What's next...calling Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib a terrorist because he resisted the Mughal Regime???!!! "The royal families of Faridkot, Nabha, and Patiala are all of Sikh nobility. They all engaged Brahmin priests and Hindu temples were built for family use. Maharajah Pupinder Singh offered bali (sacrifice) of a waterbuffalo to the temple of Kali in Patiala which he built. Every year the Maharajah of Patiala donates a nose ring and gold bracelet to the River Sarsa which is directed by the Brahmin priests and in accordance to Hindu traditions. " Who stated that this was sanctioned Sikh behavior? Real thoroughly researched article... :roll:

Sat Sri Akal: Lalleshavri, your hatred for Sikhs who are associated with AKJ is quite annoying. They are Sikhs...they take amrit from the Panj Pyare, much like your beloved Nihungs. Do you think Guru Sahib would commend you for this behavior? Anyways... This point has been brought up by you before...that AKJ is allied with RSS. First, read the article. The RSS would have to treat the Sikhs as a separate religion, preach Sikhism (as a separate religion), stop preaching terrorist Hinduism, and become Sikhs and come under the authority of the Akal Thakat. You think RSS is willing to do that? Carefully look at what is being said...

Sat Sri Akal: Another version: ____________________________________________________________ Vaaheguroo jee kaa Khaalsaa. Vaaheguroo jee kee Fateh. Below is the version which "Abu-ul-Turani" has narrated in his book or memoirs presumed to be held in the archives of the Aligarh University. It is a record of accounts that are supposedly eye-witnessed by "Abu-ul-Turani", who was under the employment of Emperor Aurangzeb. The Emperor had instructed him to keep a watchful eye on Guru Sahib and act as the Emperor's informer to keep him informed of all the activities and movements of Guru Sahib. (Reported to be info from a booklet printed and distributed by Baba Khem Singh jee of Dera Baba Rumee Wala, Bhuchae Kalan , Bathinda. Panjab on Vaisakhi 1998.) --- "The day Guru Gobind Singh prepared the nectar at 'Anandpur' the congregation was estimated to around thirty five to forty thousand sikhs who had come from far and wide. I had seen the grandeur of the 'Mughal Darbars' but this 'Guru's Darbar' had a charm of its own - simply majestic and beyond comparison. The Guru came on the stage and after drawing his sword demanded a 'head' from the 'Sangat' present. This awesome call from the Guru sent a shiver to spines of the sikhs present in the congregation. Amidst all this a brave person emerged from the crowd and with his clasped hands humbly presented himself to the Guru. The Guru, with one stroke if his sword, beheaded the sikh in front of all the stunned 'sangat', and again asked for another 'head'. Another person who came on the stage was similarly beheaded. The Guru made the eerie call again and simultaneously three devout sikhs came on the stage and met the same fate under the merciless sword of the Guru. The stage was a ghastly sight with the torsos and heads of the five drenched in pools of blood. All the trace of blood diminished after the Guru cleaned it with water. The Guru then medically joined each head on a different body and thereafter covered them with white sheets. He then ordered a stone urn and on top of it he put an iron pot in which he added some water. He put his sword in it and started moving it, while chanting some words. He took some time and during this period some woman from the Guru's household came and put something in the pot. The nectar (Abe-Hayat) was now ready. The Guru then removed the white sheets from one body and poured the nectar into the dead man's mouth, on the hair and on the body. While he was performing this ritual he kept on pronouncing "Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh"( The Khalsa belongs to the Almighty and to the Almighty is the victory ). To the amazement of the 'sangat', the person sat up and loudly chanted "Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh". The whole congregation was aghast and taken aback by this miracle. The Guru did the same to the rest of the four bodies and they also like their counterpart rose up with shouts of "Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh". The Guru then took these five sikhs into a tent and after some time they emerged wearing new white clothes. The Guru then kneeled down in front of them and asked them to give him the life giving nectar. Obligingly they obeyed and baptized the Guru . The Guru named them Daya Singh, Dharam Singh, Himmat Singh, Mohkam Singh and Sahib Singh and consequently changed his name from Gobind Rai to Gobind Singh. What happened in front of my eyes completely entranced me, and my heart longed to be in the Guru's eternal feet. With a lump in my throat, I approached the Guru and begged him to baptize me and take me in his abode. The Guru smiled and baptized me and named me 'Ajmer Singh'. Thus with the Guru's blessing I attained absolute bliss. This was the last report I sent to Aurangzeb in which I mentioned that the Guru was not an ordinary person but was 'Allah' Himself. Furthermore I warned the Emperor that his enmity towards the Guru will lead to the downfall and destruction of the Mughal Empire." ---- Vaaheguroo jee kaa Khaalsaa. Vaaheguroo jee kee Fateh. (Bhai Vir Singh mentions Abu Tarani in his writings of "Dasmesh Chamatkaar". Sant Kartar Singh of Taksaal also mentions that this has been witnessed bhai charan Singh Bhorshee in the book at "Aleegarr Muslim VihavVadiala" and according to Giani Dalip Singh of Komal Dhnaula the writings can be found at the Aligarh Muslim University.)

Sat Sri Akal: If it is not too personal, please tell us what you are angry at.

Sat Sri Akal: 1) Suraj Parkash Granth aka. Gur Partap Suraj Granth - composition of Bhai Santokh Singh Sahib which dictates the oral history of the Sikhs. Bhai Santokh Singh was employed by a Sikh Raja as the Court Poet. The Raja instructed Bhai Santokh Singh to compose a volume of Sikh history as none existed. 2)Panth Parkash - composition of Giani Gian Singh about history of Sikhism Guru Gobind Singh and afterwards. This Granth is cited by Namdharis as the evidence of the Gurgaddi being transferred to Baba Balak Singh. 3)Guru Panth Parkash - a composition by Rattan Singh "Bhangoo".