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that article tells me that the ravidasis have built a religion out of a political movement. and at times used sikhi for their own agenda. There are many caste reps in Aad Guru, but all are not there, so what if there was no chamar there, what if Bhagat Ji was a bhil, or something, then they wouldnt have anything. Remember that in over 500 years no one built a temple in the name of Ravidas in Kanshi, so we can safely assume that if it wasnt for Sikh panth, they wouldnt have even known about him. And to think they have the balls to calls themselves aad-dharmis. jokers.

maybe they showed him this when he went round theirs : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY49VNHclm0&feature=related

Gagan Singh, who at the age of 21 had his own tv channel, and also started BSSF, in his short life achieved something quite remarkable. He was a friend of mine, and i always thought that after the first time we met( at a 1984 remembrance rally) that he was destined to become something big in Sikh political arena, and I thought that he was very articulate and well-presented, with a great knowledge of the Khalistan movement and his ideas and thoughts on it were like something really fresh. Its quite unbelievable that he's dead.

i hope he killed his daughter as well, to maintain the equality.

Aids spread primarily in Panjab through unchecked blood, which was used for transfusions. In the 1990 panjabi truck drivers were doing their part in bringing it to panjab via their visits to pros outside of panjab and then coming back to infect their partners in panjab. now as Dal Singh says, the increase in drug use, will spread it further.

we cant. look at the other countrys around the world which are in part theocratic, they havent controlled this. onlhy places like afghanistan and iran etc, where there is a grear fear of being caught would stop someone from this. places like uk give these people a helping hand with the welfare state, cos its well fair innit?

i think this means "call/calling" as in the call of death. ramkali death is read at funerals.

for what reason? Sukh nidhaan does all the things alcohol does and more.

in the context of the sentence it seems like it means dictionary.

the Singh, Bachittar Singh axtually fought the elephant, but anyway, Guru Granth Sahib tells us alcohol is never to be drunk, and in one of the rehitname, it say : Guru ka Sikh shraab kade na peeve, a sikh of the guru must never drink alcohol. The rehat name date mainly form after the 10th Guru, so I would assume at that time there was a strong rejection of alcohol at that time. I think upto around the time just before the misls, the Sikhs were unaffected by the splendour of raaj. The times of excess came as the Sikh misls, not all of them mind you, began to mimic the previous rulers ie the moghals ( who had a similair injunction on alcohol) and the hindu rulers I used these two sikhs as examples as the khalsa panth was still in its ascendancy, where storys of alcohol use are not known. The use of alcohol I would say that came withthe descendancy of the panth. now take that punch! Take it!

Baba Deep Singh Ji's shaheedi was in 1757, so I would assume that no Sikh was using alcohol then. I would even go so far as to say that even when Baghel Singh took Delhi, in 1783, i dont think any Sikh would have used alcohol then either.

Taking Bhang was never an issue in the Panth. Its not the same as alcohol. No way, I wanna fight over it.

Sikhs lived like this in the time of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, but there aren't any accounts of them drinking then or even during the times of dal khalsa also. the time drinking seems to be happening is at the times of Mah. Ranjit Singh, where we all know there was a fall in the standards of the Sikhs.

her nose is a bit big isnt it?

but it wouldnt be normal for the kids who have received no such punishment in normal school. even in indian schools now teachers are dicouraged from hitting kids.

is she Rhona Mitra's sister ?

Baba Dayal Das Nirankari advocated Anand Marraiage well before Baba Ram Singh did.

do you think that the drinking at this time may have been limited to those who were Misldaars or high ranking officers rather than your average panjabi tara, dara and hari?

I KNEW THAT!!! i was just joking. cant beleive you fell for it.

You're talking about Neo Singh arent you.

too simplistic. there are far more jatts who are muslims than sikhs, yet do they have the problems that we do with alcohol? It comes down to changing perceptions of certain acts. Once unmarried mothers were very shameful, even upto the 1980s, but now its not news at all, because there are so many girls who have become unmarried mothers. Sikhs in greater numbers have began to drink, so that its now news if someone doesnt drink. reeti rvaaj has changed meaning that very few sikhs see sin in alcohol. the same for keeping kes as well, the perception amongst sikhs had become that there is absolutely no sin in cutting kes. Once the fear of sin goes, then the floodgates open.

i dont think anyone would really disagree with you, but the maulvi was thumping kids for not pronouncing the quran properly. That isnt kids being naughty, its just kids being kids. They were more scared of the teacher that they were probably prefered a lifetime in hell fire.

yeh i saw the trailer, it seemed like the guy was hitting one of the kids. it is filmed in Small Heath Birmingham, where I had the misfortune to work for a few months in 1995. i will never forget that place. Small Heath has the largest concentration of Muslims in the UK. In Small Heath i worked in the Post Office, and once 2 Sikh girls came in, one was smoking, and when they gave me their childrens allowance books to cash, both had a child with muslim name. i can still remember the kids names after 15 years clearly. This was the first time ever I had come across this, Sikhs who had more or less become muslims. There are loads of converts in small heath, black and white, and possibly some more sikhs. But still the lessons havent been learnt by gurdwaras to adapt.

are there any sikhs that stupid? ive never came across any sikh or panjabi that didnt see the importance of industry in panjab?

punjabis have fought very hard for industrialisation but central govt wouldnt allow it. major factories were always given to other states, as central govt always used the excuse of panjab being a border state, that any major industry focused in panjab was very vunerable to pakistani attack, whereas the pakistanis have no such qualms about industry in their part of panjab. Panjabis aren't too stupid, they just have always been on the recieving end of central govt bias. A strong panjab is not favourable to central govt.