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Read Sikh history and it will give you the answer.

So there is really no need to go for Ishnaan in Ganga is there? You can go for darshan of Guru Ji or failing that darshan of Sants. I have alreday stated the intention of Guru Ji going to tiraths. Bachitar Natak does not suggest otherwise. Listen to what the Sants say about this. I dont deny the purity of Ganga Jal. I just beleive Guru Ji when he says that the real Ganga Jal of kalyjug is Gobind Naam. That is in no way denying that the Ganga Jal is unholy. Do you beleive that the status of Ganga and tiraths have the same importance in Kalyug as the 3 before?

Tsingh ji, sorry I missed your answer to this even tho I checked all posts several times.

accepted, but what I asked was something different. As you have stated that having darshan of Sants is bigger than going to Ganga, I ask you this question in the same vein. Yes or no answer please. Is having darshan of Sants greater than having darshan of Guru Ji?

ok then i have missed the point. how exactly ? what gurbani says is very clear. can there me any room for misinterpretation of the shabd? yes some time ago i did say the udasis have become a joke and the nirmalas are not far behind. That was based on your balancing of gurbani with vedant. But please dont only take me on my word when it suits you. And if you can, please answer the questions that have been posted in this topic.

is this the same with darshan of Guru Granth Sahib as well?

firstly tsingh ji, dont be so full of yoursself to assume what i think. I have never called any of the above a joke. how does the gurbani miss the point ecxactly? It seems spot on to me? I think it was Sant Gurbachan Singh who told of the tiraths begging for Guru Ji's darshan, not the other way around, that Guru Ji went for their own kalyaan. Anyway the message was quite clear about the Guru's taking ishnaan at tiraths and it isnt the reason that you are foisting on us. Why did Guru Ji create Guru Ki Tribeni and Kirtapur ? So you could go to Ganga? What can Ganga recieve from the Sant Mandli when Guru Ji already placed his charan there?

also the sakhi of Gangsar Jaito should tell you sadhs something about Ganga ishnaan as well.

Gurbani says that Ganga jal is Gobind Naam. Bhairao, Fifth Mehla: It brings millions of desires to fulfillment. On the Path of Death, It will go with you and help you. ||1|| The Naam, the Name of the Lord of the Universe, is the holy water of the Ganges. Whoever meditates on it, is saved; drinking it in, the mortal does not wander in reincarnation again. ||1||Pause|| It is my worship, meditation, austerity and cleansing bath. Meditating in remembrance on the Naam, I have become free of desire. ||2|| It is my domain and empire, wealth, mansion and court. Meditating in remembrance on the Naam brings perfect conduct. ||3|| Slave Nanak has deliberated, and has come to this conclusion: Without the Lord's Name, everything is false and worthless, like ashes. ||4||8||

what is the mahatam is taking ganga ishnaan?

You havent read it all either, if you think the 405th is a tale.

can u post the whole tuk for us plz?

that is an excelent article. one thing that i would like to ask is that during the "uch da pir" episode, Guru Ji asked the Sikhs to kirpan bhet the meat that the moghals brought, to make it acceptable to eat. Is this a practice that can still be followed today?

so you accept the existence of Vidya Sagar then?

it may be the one that is parkash in the first floor of darbar sahib. that is handwritten saroop and is big.

dear sir, the very first bir of Guru Ji's writings were lost during the evacuation of Anandpur in the river sirsa. Bhai Mani Singh Ji RE-compiled the granth, and this granth had been traced to delhi. Best thing is for you togo to delhi and see. If you dont wish to believe then just end this topic. the second question that i have quoted above, makes me ask you the question: " do writers write all their writings in one sitting?" what makes you think that if guru has written something on one day, and then soemthing 3 months later, then it must be false? Come on, I know that you cant be looking for reasons as low as that to find fault in Dasam Granth.

asingh1 ji, did udasis wear dastars?

govts uses propoganda like this to to overshadow any acheivements made or any movements or new strategies by its opponents. look at this way, dont youthink that the militant groups have not learnt anything from the last 30 or so years? that they would go round threatening hindus?

Bhenji, why have you lowered the tone of the forum by using such horrible words? the treatment of the lower castes by the jats was not part of their religious obligation as it was by the snatan lot, adn you know that you didnt really have a point in bringing that up but you were trying to derail my post and subvert the focus from the sanantan sabha to the jats. The jats did so out of their ignorance, the sanatans did it cos they thought God wold love them more. Use your brain.

i dont hate hindus. Nor do i reject everything snatan. I dont beleive in sanatan ideology to the extent that you do, but definitley you have an hatred for the singh sabha in absolutely every aspect. there's no denying that from your posts. even where the snatan soceity outrightly rejected GurBani vis-a-vis their treatment of the "lower" castes. This is not borne out in gurbani and guru and misal history but yet you refuse to accept this. I am blind, accepted, but not to your snatan hogwash.

i have explained to you what you need to do, i'm not going to hold your hand and show you. you dont need to hide behind big words here, just go back to the topic about the khatris being leaders of the panth pre-singh sabha era. we dont need tobuy any vests at all Bhen Ji. We just need to go to maharaj with humility that we are insect excreta in front of them. Not with the attitude that our feet have sanctified thier rumalla. you can strick your truism where suraj-dev doesnt shine. people who are prepared to tolerate others deliberate insults of their guru are not worthy of being called sikhs. Gur Ki ninda sune na kaan. And the weird thing is that this guy was doing disrespect of his OWN guru, Bhagat Ravidas Ji. and those ignorant fools who supported him! God help them.

to ignorantly onfuse sikhi with what was happening in the immedaiete singhsabha period is also a mistake. you carteblanche demonise singh sabha ideology, while conveniently ignoring the cesspit that so-called snatan dharma was. or satan dharma, to be more accurate. there are none so blind as those who are consciously blind, would be more apt in this case harjas kaur ji.

the thread only died becasue your deceit was exposed. Go back to it and answer if you can. I dont need to spell anything out. Derailment? pot.kettle.black. the rumalla on the feet on the nindaks was done 1 week before the time of the commeuppance of the pakhandi. in 2002 ish when he came to uk, he was having people bow to him in Aad Guru's hazoori, in the Ravidas gurdwaras, and they stopped him. at vienna, the week before the nindaks killing, a person objected to the pakhandis beadbi, he was hospitalized by the nindaks followers, and later died. The people who went the week after went prepared for defence should it be necessary, and when the same thugs, im sorry i should have said bhagats tried to beat these guys up, they and their pakhandi baba got their dues. you can say whatever you like to make out like these people went with the intention of murder, hated chamars, extremist sikhs etc . Its what we've come to expect from you, harjas kaur ji.

YOU ARE THE QUEEN OF DERAILMENT!!! why have you stopped posting on the other topics Harjas Kaur Ji? Your deciet was exposed? And look at you now. dear oh dear... FYI, the UK RAvidas sabha had stopped him from doing similiar beadbii uk gurdawaras many years ago.

gurmat ji, you can thank the guy who had rumalla placed on his feet and then spread on Guru Granth Sahib, first.